Works with toddlers too.

How else are people going to know how to navigate them?

The base OS of Android is, but the widely dispersed version maintained by Google with the hardware drivers required for it to work with the actual hardware is not.

That’s why projects like Graphene can’t work on every phone. They have to rely on either reverse engineering hardware drivers or the manufacturers providing the drivers. For many years, Google openly released the drivers for all the hardware in their Pixel line of phones, which allowed Graphene and other customized versions of Android to easily work on Pixel phones.

Manufacturers usually don’t release drivers separately and instead they’re only available built into the manufacturers customized Android version. Android Open Source Project is the open source base, then Google builds their proprietary stuff on top as “Android”, then the various phone manufacturers build their own versions on top of Google’s “Android” with: manufacturer specific crud added, phone specific crud added, and often phone carrier specific crud added.

There’s a bunch of people who work as consultants for the rich, and in the past decade they have been talking about how many rich people were getting into disaster prep. Some of them have done interviews with various news organizations. In an article I remember they said a common question was how these rich bastards could ensure their bunker staff wouldn’t revolt and take over.

I think you, and many others, believe that US citizens have far greater control over our “representatives” than we actually do. We literally have no recourse (outside of the ammo box or absurd amounts of money) against a politician taking office and doing exactly the opposite of what they campaigned on, besides waiting for their term to be over.

Due to tons of laws built up over many years, the only way to get a seat at the table is money, and all the community fundraising in the world isn’t going to outspend corporate interests.

Look, I don’t have the time or the energy to debate club out all the issues with the US governmental system to the rigid expectations of everyone outside of it with an opinion. People make lifelong careers just trying to explain the mess to people living within it. You clearly have a strong opinion that the collective population of the US isn’t doing enough for whatever metric you have, and I’m not even trying to argue against that.

I just think it’s absolutely rich to try and assign blame to the proletariat for hesitating to throw their bodies on the corpse pile from thousands of miles away, or even from right here but sitting on your ass taking no action yourself. And no amount of admonishing, debate club bullshit, mental gymnastics, semantics lawyering, philosophy 101, specific individual cases where my generalized statements are untrue, or whatever anyone can bring to bear is going to change my opinion that “If you’re so invested in this, grab a cheap plane ticket and get to work on it yourself instead of trying to guilt others into shedding blood.”

I’m not denying the responsibility of the people, where we can effect change. I’m simply stating that the area which we can effect is small and not going to make news broadcasts. Basing your take on the will of a country’s people on the multiple times distilled and removed news broadcasts that make it out is just silly.

This will be my last comment in this thread. It’s clear that many people here simply want an easy outlet for their frustrations about the US government and have decided the populace is the problem, rather than the systems of wealth and social inequality which are global at this point.

You haven’t been involved with politics at a local level, have you? Just the bullshit going on with flock surveillance cameras being pushed through is a good microcosm of how politicians don’t face consequences for failing to follow their constituents will.

People should, but I’m kind of tired of all the keyboard warriors thinking that lack of blood on the streets equals lack of action and explicit approval, especially when they have no skin in the fight themselves.

It’s some of the most absurd shit. “I don’t see you actively hunting down child abusers, so you must be a pedophile” ass opinions.

It’s easy to call for others to die for a cause, and that’s a large part of what led to the situation we’re in now. People sitting back and sentencing others to pay for their desires.

“People weren’t willing to throw their lives away in the people grinder machine, that means they fully support the people grinder machine”

Fuck. Roving bands of empty robo taxis DDoSing local roads wasn’t on my bingo card.

They at least used to be toggle-able along with all the ideologically driven features. But the fact they’re in the codebase at all is concerning.

The base Lemmy software is made by the people who run lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml, but individual instances are run by all sorts of people.

That plus the ever growing push for device linked personal ID on personally owned device feels like the real end goal. Governments can already snoop all web traffic. Now they want to close the gap on device level surveillance by pushing more and more people towards renting virtual devices with traceable payment methods. For people who don’t, device link to personal ID means they no longer have any of that mess of having to prove ownership or who took the action.

Removing the tinfoil hat though, I really hope this causes cloud resource cost to drop through the floor.

You should have a look at some of the official PowerShell scripts they’ve made to assist with managing, installing, and decommissioning Exchange Servers.

One had the word group misspelled consistently the entire way through it. Another had a wonderful comment noting that an internal function (to manage something with AD permissions or deep internals of the Exchange Server) that looked misspelled was in fact spelled correctly, because the command had a typo in the real name of it.

Groups like the ones pushing data centers can and do literally hire people to figure out how to get in the politicians’ good graces, convince the politicians it is not only a good idea but the best idea, stoke the politicians’ ego(s) such that they think they know best/better than the people they supposedly represent, and then literally train the politicians on how they can do an end run around their constituents to get things passed by the letter of the law but clearly not the intent of the law.

I know Louis Rossman can be a controversial figure due to how he communicates things, but he’s been doing a good job exposing how Flock surveillance cameras are getting passed/governmentally funded in shady ways in numerous jurisdictions where they have negative public support. It would be silly to expect that the tactics they are using are also not in use by the much larger forces with deeper pockets behind all these data center pushes.

I absolutely have less than zero respect for politicians, but I seriously cannot imagine living a life almost entirely surrounded by people deeply trained to manipulate my emotions, sense of self, and self validation towards corporate ends. Beyond all the obvious life experience/world view differences due to wealth and socioeconomic strata, that’s fucking terrifying.

Paying out hacker ransom isn’t a particularly rare event. The hackers that do it professionally are… professional. If they don’t follow through on their side of the agreement then no one pays them.

This isn’t some “dangerous precedent” it’s a basic business decision that paying up would be cheaper than the alternative options. Normal cyber crime response and remediation shit.

General opinion I’ve seen online over the past year or two is that the Verge has started following the same downward trend as nearly every other online news source, unfortunately.

I agree, but I think there’s less spaces for that then there used to be, and I don’t think 13 is a particularly unreasonable age for access to still be restricted. It’s probably the older end of when I’d be trying to teach a kid proper online safety and behavior before starting to loosen the reins, but every kid is going to be different. Some would be ready earlier, and others later.

I think we just disagree on where the middle ground might lie, which is probably to be expected on complicated topics like this. Everyone’s going to have their own take.

I definitely wouldn’t be comfortable tossing a hypothetical kid into the deep end, so to speak, at 13.

On top of that, kids are resourceful with a ton of time on their hands. Sufficiently motivated kids will find ways around restrictions (I sure did, locked doors without a deadbolt are not a real lockdown, lol) or friends with less restrictions anyway, and there’s some value to allowing them to think they’re getting away with things and navigating on their own, regardless of whether I as a parent would really be aware of it or not.

It only sounds draconian compared to the completely unsupervised access that I think most of us grew up with.

I had porn at 13. Shock videos shortly after. 4chan at 16. Outside of being able to discover my own media tastes through piracy and late night binges, I struggle to identify a lot of good that came of my unfettered access.

So I am a parent, and while my daughter is still a toddler (3), I’ve thought about it a lot. These plans may not hold as time goes on, but it’s what I’ll be working from at least.

We have an old Android tablet that is “Daddy’s” where I’ve used ADB to remove almost every app from it, and hide the others. It has Disney Plus (some kids shows), Newpipe (set to open right to a playlist of pre-vetted stuff, mostly Sesame Street), and VLC (Mr. Rogers, Muppet Movies and Specials, some Looney Tunes). It only comes out on long trips (car rides more than two hours long), use is always supervised, and we lock the touch controls as much as we can once the content is playing so she can’t stray into other YouTube content or the more grown up stuff on Disney.

I’m already working on a Kodi setup with just content for her on it as well, which is reach-able from the living room TV and will be on the play room TV if it gets one. All of Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood is up on archive.org, and she loves it. Wife doesn’t like piracy though, so I can’t just get baby girl’s Disney shows on it and make it a one stop shop.

As she gets older, we may set her up with an old laptop and edutainment games, but it would be entirely offline. Maybe a Minecraft server for her and friends we’ve met IRL. A co-worker runs one for his tween and it seems to do well used that way.

I don’t think we’ll be allowing internet until 12 years old or so. Even if she needs it earlier for school, she’ll start on an isolated network segment to reduce chance of any malware spreading to the whole house. Use will be in a common area of the house where Mom and I can see what she’s into at a glance. It will be filtered with PiHole or whatever the modern equivalent ends up being, to block both ads and inappropriate content. Ad blocker on the device itself with similar settings if possible to help catch any strays.

As she gets older, start teaching media and advertising literacy, as other comments have suggested. As we do that, we slowly scale back the training wheels/filters. Depending on how well we think she’s ready, I can see unattended, still filtered, but somewhat monitored at 14 maybe. Cut the content filters at 15 maybe. Cut the ad filters at 16 maybe. That’s all going to be super-dependent on her own “internet and ad literacy” though.

I want her to get enough of an idea of the unfiltered and ad-ridden internet that it’s not a danger to her, but I do hope she’ll decide to use ad blocking for her own sake.

17 or 18 it’s completely hands off. Can’t protect them forever, and she’ll need to learn one way or another.

My goal is to protect her from creeps, protect her from exposure to stuff she’s too young for, and to make sure she’s prepared for the wider internet hellscape before dropping her in the deep end unsupervised like I was.

I’d be very interested in hearing the experience of any parents who have already been through this.

That was always my assumption of the end game. You have the system prompts, an advertising bias prompt layer over top, then the user prompts.

“Naturally worded” advertising that doesn’t immediately appear to be advertising and searching using natural language always seemed to be the biggest use cases for LLMs to me, considering they can’t be relied on to output accurate info.