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- cross-posted to:
- linux@programming.dev
- hardware@lemmy.world
cross-posted from: https://piefed.social/c/hardware/p/2144337/commodore-announces-linux-based-flip-phone-with-no-social-media-no-browser-the-callback
Linux-based phone still ‘runs 99% of Android apps’ so you can do more with it, if you wish.
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Look, I love the idea of a Linux phone.
But $500 and it manages my temptations for me? Fuck no.
The whole point of Linux is freedom.
Enough behavior shaping.
Social media is humans being social through media, I am sick and tired of it being categorically villainized especially because the scientific evidence for it being inherently bad is laughable.
It’s like that era of putting pink ribbons on everything for breast cancer that also signaled you were a supporter of women. Commercialized activism. Be real. This will sell very little. We’ll get some news articles about how it’s trending with Gen z that are rejecting technology and always online culture. It’ll actually only be a small amount of Gen z but you know blogspam going to blogspam.
It’s a crappy product. We need a Linux phone that would actually be a halo product for people to not feel like they’re ripping themselves off to get away from Google and Apple
So happy with my 2nd hand Pixel 8. No BS, ecologically acceptable IMHO and yes runs most Android apps thanks to GrapheneOS.
MediaTek Helio G81 SoC, with 4GB/64GB
Uhhh. For $500? Sorry, no.
Economies of scale. How many people actually want to buy this?
I mean its a small company. We have become too used to subsidized costs at the sake of our privacy. Know why TVs are now $200? They are literal spyware in the home. Try buying one without spyware, $999 real fast for the same TV.
Know why phone companies give you a “free” $1000 phone? Youre the product. Constantly tracked and sold. A digital slave.
Pinephone was a fraction of that price. Can’t you run PostmarketOS on a Fair phone too? But that has much better specs.
Uhh the pinephone in general sucks for daily use . its a tinker phone
Really? I thought mine was great
Buuutt are you someone who travels and uses airline and banking and hotel apps? Or do you stay home and use arch on a thinkpad ?
/joky
The pinephone was atrocious (As a daily) though. From what I’ve heard from owners it still struggles to this day to run basic mobile Linux OSes.
Fact. It’s amazing that it exists, but it is definitely not a daily driver device. At least for me.
Phone companies dont give you a “free” $1000 phone, you’re actually paying more for it via the monthly bill payments.
That’s on top of you being the product as well.
True
I get the idea of dumb phones, but $500 (or with taxes in Europe at least 600 EUR) for a phone that cannot even run a browser? This is ridiculous.
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How does it not have social media or browser if so many apps are compatible? Doesn’t that amount of compatibility mean we can still have social media and browsers?
Based on the article, they have a blocklist of certain apps. You can only install apps they allow. Not sure how extensive the list is, but surely the most popular ones are blocked and they will probably update the list.
Lmao
You can only install apps they allow.
Untrue, the article clearly says that you can sideload anything you want.
Do I misunderstand the article? They state following:
Users are still able to sideload apps outside those that are blocked, using APK installer files
Meaning you can only sideload apps, that are not blocked. So you would not be able to install anything they do not allow to.
You misunderstand, the list of apps they block are “inside” the said list, while sideloading apps “outside” of the said list is possible. So you can only find and install whatever apps they’ve approved within whatever app store they use to serve apps to their customers, but you can install any apk on the phone by sideloading it, given the app supports the phones CPU architecture of course.
“Users are still able to”: Means despite the block list in the operating system, users can still do following…
“sideload apps”: … install applications manually outside the app store…
“those that are not blocked”: … applications not in the known block list from the company.
I don’t know how one can interpret this differently. Where does your “inside” and “outside” interpretation come from?
You can sideload apps, whether they are on the blocklist or not. That’s what the sentence* you quoted says. Well, that’s what I interpret anyways. Maybe I’m wrong.
I broke it down for you and explained each part. And that does not align with your interpretation. That’s why I asked you where your interpretation comes from. “sideload apps those that are not blocked” means “sideload apps that are not on blocklist”. Where does this paragraph states, that it allows to install apps whether they are on the blocklist or not? Could you explain it?
I interpret it as “We do not install bloatware such as Facebook etc. by default”.
The fact that Android vendors do this is annoying.
I want to know the opinion of the person who down voted you. I only buy phones with unlockable bootloaders for this reason.
Great initiative but at this price it’s just a scam srlsy…
People pay over $1k for a phone. Now that is a scam.
But those phones are mini computers, some of which people use as an actual desktop.
My sentiments exactly. They’re charging $499 for $5-100 worth of hardware.
This is the “snakes on a plane” of phones.
My first thought was, this might be about just what’s installed by default. Reading a bit further the article says:
Apparently, the OS has hard blocks to stop the installation of browsers and social media apps.
“Users are still able to sideload apps outside those that are blocked, using APK installer files…”
So I’m not sure why I would want pay 500 Dollars / Euros, just so they have control over what I can install and not. To me this would be a deal breaker. Also this seems to be “basically a custom version of the Jolla Sailfish OS”, so there are probably “better” options using the same OS. And it only has 4GB of RAM? I am not impressed for the price and for the control.
They didn’t mention battery life once, and it doesn’t even have a torch?
In the FAQs they suggest they don’t know battery life yet because it’s not finished - but indicate “several days” in standby
500 dollars!? What’s the justification for that price?
Trying to imitate apple.
Step 1: turtleneck
Step 2: reality distortion bubble
Step 3: massive profit
read recently a tweet: 'in two years we will be paying to NOT have Internet ’
kinda fits this price tag
the “official reveal trailer” is done with ai, it looks like a scam
Looking at the channel, dude bought the Commodore IP and are releasing retro things with this IP for absurd amount of money. The C64 ultimate for the price on their site and the shit ass hardware is a fucking joke.
The C64 Ultimate is actually pretty legit, and the price isn’t too outrageous for the base model. It’s essentially combining a bunch of really quite polished community projects for the C64 together to create a finished product.
The new owner of Commodore, Peri Fractic of Retro Recipes fame, is truly a super fan of retro computers, and has made content about them on his YouTube for a decade. However, he stubbornly continues to use AI despite some backlash.
This new phone is massively overpriced, but I suspect those who buy one will receive it eventually.
How the C64 ultimate is not overpriced? Okay that is using the legit parts of the original commodore and simulating the original hardware but comparing it with any retro handheld is just too overpriced
It’s using an FPGA for hardware accurate emulation which costs more than the ARM chips in retro handheld emulators, and is a bespoke fairly large product made in relatively small batches. For what if is, it’s somewhat reasonably priced compared to its manufacturing costs.
I can’t argue that for most people the value prospect isn’t worth it, since the C64 itself isn’t really a compelling platform except to specific retro PC enthusiasts, but for those who want a proper modern C64 for nostalgia sake, it’s a fair deal.
It’s using an FPGA for hardware accurate emulation which costs more than the ARM chips in retro handheld emulators, and is a bespoke fairly large product made in relatively small batches. For what if is, it’s somewhat reasonably priced compared to its manufacturing costs.
hmmmm okay that makes sense.
Btw 2 people with Chrono Trigger avatar debating retro stuff is lmao
Tbh I wouldn’t have known your avatar was from that if you hadn’t said anything, as I only played Chronotrigger for maybe an hour or so at a friend’s house when I was a kid and don’t really remember much except for the time traveling machine they had from my friend’s save game, and the girl at the start of the game at the fair :p
I have little hope that the feel of the case and buttons will be anywhere close to what the price would demand.
I don’t get that “minimalist phone” market I can just get an older phone, remove all social media and use it
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You can’t remove lot of apps in most Android phones. I have an older phone S7 Edge which I installed an alternative Android OS called “/e/OS”. Its way more private by default. Besides all the benefits of privacy, I also do not use the Google Play Store and do not have any social media on it installed.
A custom rom is great and the best path for the techie users. For the general public, you can still disable non needed invasive apps. For minimalist usage aimed at reducing overall phone usage, that’s mostly enough. There’s also a launcher called baldphone available on fdroid that turns any android phone in a minimalist phone, aimed at the elderly, but still nice for any minimalism enthusiast. It requires some tech skill to install though.
You absolutely can remove every app (including hidden base OS functionality that is packaged as an installed app) through ADB, or through tools like Shizuku that give you effectively “on-device” ADB. There are GUI based apps to do this for both PC and runnable on Android itself.
It’s not easily accessible for the average user, but it’s literally easier than flashing a custom OS, if you’re already looking into that level of things.
As the owner of a relatively new Android phone, who wanted to disable a software update nag, this is no longer always true.
In my research I built a history of instructions for disabling these nag screens/notifications on phones from this manufacturer. At first, there were things you could do on the phone itself. Then you had to change a setting with ADB. Then you had to disable a system app with ADB. Then you had to get root access to uninstall the app with ADB. And now, for my phone and other recent models, there’s literally nothing you can do, even with root access in ADB, short of flashing custom firmware.
Oh okay, I was nor aware this was possible for the regular Android. But it make sense if you get root access. So I learned something new today. :-)
The issue. You won’t be able to get old phones when theyre gone. Just like cars.
With the billions of devices lying around without use, there will be enough for a looong lime
I can get almost two Punkt MP02 for that.
I keep repeating this for a decade. Buy a used old iPhone (like SE) and get a no fancy phone which is mostly fine for that use case.
