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At least they are outing themselves so we easily know who to vote out
I wouldn’t say the party is. The party itself is very firmly neo-lib to centrist and pulling further right. I would say that individuals associated with the party are democratic socialist, but at this point they should start their own party.
Let the Republican party collapse, the dems take up the right wing reins, and then actually have a party that pulls left full of progressives and socialists. Pipe dream, I know.
If you start your own party you will not find it easy to get on the ballot.
Very disappointing. This is why I haven’t donated to the party itself in years, only to individuals.
13 useless “representatives”
13 corpo-democrats that need to be primaried with democratic socialists.
Honestly, 13 is not a lot. It’s certainly possible that they’ve got silent backing of many of the other dems in the house, but even if they do, the fact that they’re silent about it tells you that they know this is a risky position to take.
They’ve been doing this for a while though. It only takes a handful of votes to torpedo a bill, so they get a handful of Democrats in safe districts to be the bad guy of the week. The rest of the party gets to look progressive without any risk of actually passing a good bill.
That’s 6% of Dems in the house, and we get some slackjaw crowing about scratching liberals. This could be the rise of a new, better Democratic party, and people are still insistent on being unpleasant about it!
Oh look, it’s my shitbag congressman. I’m actually really disappointed. All the electoralism talk made me finally bother to go vote in this primary after sitting a few out and… both establishment incumbents won in a landslide. I fucking hate my district. A lot of them fall into the “embarrassed Republican” category of Dems. There are some nice people out there. I did work along with our local DSA years ago, it’s just not nearly enough to overcome the fucking NIMBYs/Zionists who live here.
- Rep. Tom Suozzi (D-NY) — Co-leading the initiative
- Rep. Adam Gray (D-CA) — Co-leading the initiative
- Rep. Josh Gottheimer (D-NJ)
- Rep. Susie Lee (D-NV)
- Rep. Don Davis (D-NC)
- Rep. Vicente Gonzalez Jr. (D-TX)
- Rep. Laura Gillen (D-NY)
- Rep. Janelle Bynum (D-OR)
- Rep. Kristin McDonald Rivet (D-MI)
- Rep. Maggie Goodlander (D-NH)
- Jessica Killin (candidate)
- Marlene Galán Woods (candidate)
- Bobby Pulido (candidate)
Check this list against the Democrats who caved and ended the government shutdown.
Look at all those DINOS
The man right here. Time to send some letters
They’ll listen to corporate donations, not their constituents.
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This is about the House of Representatives. John Fetterman is in the U.S. Senate.
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I can’t believe it’s not Fetterman.
There’s a brain as margarine joke in here somewhere.
Republicans: we’re going to try to repeal the 17th amendment and have permanent control of the Senate.
Democrats: like 6 socialists got elected, we’re going to shoot each other now.
These are the fascists who were screeching at you to just suck up a bit of genocide and vote blue no matter who. The ratchet effect is so real.
I’m still gonna scream blue no matter who, but I’d really prefer it’s not these guys.
I’m still gonna scream blue no matter who
And it’s going to continue not working
“Blue no matter who” is a peace deal, which these guys are breaking.
It matters who, but better blue than red.
So what’s the solution in your opinion?
Revolution. Start organizing your community so that real people have political power, not the rich ghouls.
Disrupt their operations by ensuring that they lose elections, even if it’s at the cost of handing the seat to a republican. If they are willing to cede a seat to a republican to stop a leftist, leftist must be willing to cede an election to republican in order to stop disrupt anti-socialism.
Obviously, replacing the anti-socialist with a socialist would be the best outcome.
Ok, we’ve further ceded all elections to Republicans and now they’re throwing all leftists and dissenters in prison/camps and have ruined the economy, the education system, started a bunch of wars we can’t fund nor win, ruined the environment and privatized every public good. Now what?
Do you think the Democrats would not do the same if a revolutionary movement was built up? They don’t even like this wave of social democrats taking office and are working to disrupt that. The tasks remain the same: educate, agitate, organize. Study theory, spread it and create a correct political line, and create a comprehensive political party that is dominated by the working classes.
No, I do not think Democrats would do all of the things I outlined above that I think would happen if Christofascist conservatives got complete power for consecutive terms.
Given that all those things are already happening, with most Democrats refusing to put up any sort of effective resistance, you don’t really have a point.
If they are willing to cede a seat to a republican to stop a leftist
Are they, though? I get the feeling your definition of that is someone getting elected in the primary that you don’t like.
They pushed the guy Mamdani primaries to run as an independent which, for them, only makes sense as an act of sabotage.
“They”. Pretty sure that “they” was pretty specific in this case.
If you continue to scream blue no matter who, you help ensure it’ll always be these guys.
“Vote Blue, no matter who” is for General Elections, and it still holds true. These sorts of DINO MAGAs need to be dealt with in the Primaries.
Make THEM “Vote Blue, No Matter Who” in the General, for a change. Make THEM hold their noses and vote for a Socialist, the way we’ve had to vote for barely disguised centrist Republicans with Ds next to their name, for decades. It’s THEIR turn now.
Just like NYC.
Ah, yes, the race where these guys were famously supportive of the blue candidate and didn’t do everything in their power to make sure he would lose even if it meant giving the election to a Republican candidate. I certainly see the logic in your support for them.
Well, Mamdani was blue and he’s turning out pretty well.
You seem to have a foundational misunderstanding of what people mean when they say things like ‘vote blue no matter who’.
Doesn’t mean you have to vote for the blue who wants to genocide people a little, you can and very much should please god vote for the other blue who wants to do their fucking job, but either way, both are better and the worse blue is easier to recover from than the red who’s going to immediately gut everything he can and then blow up children just for fun.
Are you really going to ignore how the elected Dem officials who embody the “Blue no matter who” slogan did everything they could to undermine his chances, right up until they realized they couldn’t cripple his bid for mayor? In comment on a post about 13 such people going full Scooby Doo and pulling off the masks to reveal they’re just red guys in disguise who will gut everything and blow up children if it means stopping a candidate who could actually make good on being something other than a corporate bought stooge that’s padding the ranks of the controlled opposition party?
If anyone doesn’t understand what “Blue no matter who” means, I’d say it’s yourself. It’s a thought terminating cliché for liberals to make voting for the neoliberal ghouls running the party more palatable that, funnily enough, is completely forgotten by the aforementioned ghouls as soon as the wrong kind of blue appears as a candidate. It’s a tool used solely to browbeat people into voting for the shittiest candidate the DNC thinks we’ll stomach, yet is readily abandoned with a “No, not like that” when someone like Zohran rocks up and says “Hey, I’m blue, I’d like to represent my city.” and voters respond enthusiastically to them. Until Democratic electeds stop pulling out their knives for candidates that can be described as at least progressive, if not socialists, I don’t want to hear this blue maga bullshit again.
It’s quite telling that they’re quick trot out bullshit like Suozzi is championing in response to a popular leftist candidate, but when someone suggests primarying a Joe Manchin or a John Fetterman, suddenly the Democratic party is a big tent party, and we need to work together and maintain unity. Where is a censure for Suozzi and crew for violating the sacrosanct big party spirit that protects fascist collaborators like Fetterman? “Blue no matter who” is a lie, and has been since day one.
Are you really going to ignore how the elected Dem officials who embody the “Blue no matter who” slogan did everything they could to undermine his chances, right up until they realized they couldn’t cripple his bid for mayor?
I stopped reading after this. You’re not worth wasting breath to argue with, because immediately after I said don’t vote for the dems who want to keep the status quo, vote for the ones who want to make things better like Mamdani is, you go off making things up.
“Vote Blue, No matter who,” doesn’t apply to Primaries, because EVERYONE is Blue. It’s for the General Election, where a centrist Dem voter is faced with voting for a Blue Democratic Socialist, or a Red MAGA.
Now they’ll finally understand how we Unaffiliated Independents feel for Every election.
these guys
I mean, I fucking wanted Mamdani.
Yeah, I wanted Mamdani, too. I’m just pointing out the fundamental contradiction in “Vote blue no matter who” when a significant portion of the blue are like these 13 assholes, and will leave no stone unturned to actively oppose people even having a chance to see Mamdani’s name get past the primaries. The Democratic Party is absolutely rotten with such candidates, and following the blue no matter who mantra only ensures that you have people like them ready to pull out all the stops to go and kneecap a primary candidate who’s to the left of Reagan so that you don’t get a chance to vote for someone like Mamdani.
fwiw, I think naming and shaming these 13 is valuable.
I don’t like “Democrats are bad” in general when the other side is fucking Nazis. And I think that’s overdone a bit.
The alternative is you abstain and the unequivocally worse group wins by default. Not really an improvement.
In an intelligent, rational country demsocialists and liberals would each have their own separate party.
The US is constitutionally saddled with first past the post voting, which makes more than two parties difficult to represent at the national level. For some reason the two existing parties are unwilling to change that.
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Nothing stopping us but the people in various states that vote down attempts to implement it or the legislature critters that seek to outlaw it.
Misinformation. I literally vote rank choice in the US.
Over a dozen states have already banned ranked choice voting. The establishment knows that if it were to catch on then elected officials will more accurately reflect the actual will of the people and undermine the liberal hegemony, so they banned it.
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No we aren’t. It’s tradition. We can switch to STAR
demsocs are liberals
demsocs are liberals
Clearly the liberals disagree.
Kinda. The establishment liberals are trying to discipline the social democrats and prevent them from gaining in influence. However, the social democrats are, at the moment, not actually in favor of establishing socialism nor doing what is required to do so. It’s liberal infighting.
The more millitent rank and file of the DSA is largely what’s pushing this grassroots support in this wave, but without a correct analysis of the structure and role of the capitalist state the DSA’s reformist strategy is a dead-end.
It’s liberal infighting.
So I have been told by at least a dozen people with lemmy.ml handles.
Sure. I don’t see what the handle has to do with it.
The love to compartmentalize groups of people and make broad generalizations.
Seems to be a pattern.
Liberals also think they are on the left, so what the disagree on is irrelevant
Here in the US people use liberal and left interchangeably out of ignorance. But the liberals being referenced in this story understand that they are not left wing which is why they refer to themselves as “centrists.” Demsocs are to their left. Demsocs might be to your right, but demsocs are definitely left wing in the context of US politics. We have established over and over again that to more radical people such as yourself, demsocs are “just liberals” and not left wing. That’s fine, that’s your perspective. The liberals who call themselves centrists have a different perspective, and theirs is far more common in US politics than yours, and therefore it is very relevant to anyone who cares about what’s happening in US politics.
Demsocs being to their left is as meaningless as Democrats being to the left of Republicans when they all defend the same systems of oppression and want to work within the lose systems
You can fight people barely to the left of you
What makes you think that?
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Israel first coalition
Party of the elite. This is why the maga’s say both sides are the same. Someone could explain it to them but they would reject it.
MAGA isn’t the only one saying both sides are corrupt shitheels; it’s every single human being with a memory longer than a goldfish that actually pays any amount of attention to politics whatsoever. Both American parties are extremely far-right and only have the interest of America’s owners in mind.
Name and shame. Who are the 13?
The list has been posted in the thread
