Never had a console, but I’d be glad without the silly slow disks.
I own my phone, my PCs, my servers, don’t use US-bigtec, don’t stream, don’t lease cars, don’t rent…but this?
Don’t most games need net for verification or updating anyway? So it’s not yours even with a silly disk in hand. I stand corrected if all games are 100% offline and a console would run forever with no net. I just don’t know.
But ps4 is old, yes? Does it still get new games?
And can you just give me your disc and then it’s my game? If yes, I can’t imagine that this would be around any longer. You must not own things.
My wife has a switch and this thing is just shit. Expensive crap games bound to your account. Most are just codes anyway.
Dude purple are still checking out ps4 games at the library. Old and good are not mutually exclusive. Usually we only remember the good old stuff. Music, movies, books, you name it
True. Yet when I tried to replay games I have the fondest of memories of, it often is just 99% nostalgia. Seeing all the flaws, the horrible ui, the missing QoL we just expect nowadays l etc. I don’t care much for gfx, but it’s hard to really get into those again.
Music, yeah sure. Good music does not age.
Movies…depends. Some age horribly 😁
For books I rarely find time, but they’re timeless too.
Then why ask if all games will run offline forever? You clearly don’t care if your games will run offline forever if you think that the next console has any bearing on the matter.
You must be young. I still have my PlayStation 2 from when I was a kid. Works with every game I ever got for it. Same for n64, game boy, etc.
Ooo, you just reminded me I’m in the middle of xenogears on my phone (duckstation ftw also whew caught that typo) Love that game. Might as well start over.
My first and only console was an Atari 2600 with pong being the first ever played game. Guess the youngster is you 😉
Since then I was PC only. I like the option to own everything forever (pirated if no other means available) and archive it forever.
Legally this option died 2 decades ago thanks to steam. So I just wondered why the big consoles still allow this.
Run forever is nice, but it also ends with the end of your ps4 then. So “forever” is kinda bound to that life.
My Atari cartridges are still here and might even still work, but no consoles left and why would I even after 4 decades.
Dude I have a working 2600. I think. It worked 5 years ago but I don’t have a good two bolt connector (idk what it’s called. The one with two bolts) to hdmi convertor
Awesome… Are there even adaptors? It was an analog antenna-signal. If there is one, it’s probably not cheap. I dunno.
If the cartridges still work after 40yrs is doubtful, isn’t it?
Got pacman, qbert, space invaders, star wars and whatnot lying in my old-stuff-shrine 😁
No they didn’t, they just relied on people prefering the “easy” way. Buy+download+play.
But you can’t trade your games. Your license is tied to you. Physical media died due to steam. Hence trading and ownership. There is just GOG left where you buy stuff which is DRM-free and yours forever. BUT only old titles and SOME newer.
Can it? That’s cool but I somehow wouldn’t know why? For the exclusives? Are there even some?
Isn’t the only benefit of a switch to be super mobile? An emulator would be my 1st choice, but also defeats the whole purpose of a switch.
You’d literally just said the Switch was shit, which makes it sort of weird for you to follow that up with gripes that emulating those games in better quality would be less mobile.
You’re not nerding hard enough. It’s ok, we slow down as we get older sometimes. If you have a nice connection at home and abroad you can use anything as a screen. You can play any PC game or emulated game running on your PC at home and streaming to a phone/tablet/screen connected to a bluetooth controller or one of those cases that snap around and add controls like a switch or steamdeck if you feel like it.
Aside from that, yes, of course Nintendo consoles have a lot of great exclusives. They always have. That’s not something new in the last several decades. The last several Zelda games have been amazing, and I’d much rather be playing them on a massive screen having been rendered at a much better resolution.
To me, personally, the switch is total shit. Even if connected to our 240" screen it’s fucking slow fps-wise and just looking dated. And seeing what she has to pay for games that maybe end with the life of the switch (dunno if the next iteration still could play them?)
Sure, I can stream the emulated switch-game to whichever device, but when I’m already there I wouldn’t know why I would prefer them over the tons of games I have at hand on the streaming-pc. The only exclusive that mildly interests me is breath of the wild. If the emulator could unlock fps and also offered a better resolution and m+k-input instead of controllers, I might even do that at some point.
Unless we’re talking Switch 2 game key cards. Those are just downloads you can trade. But at least Nintendo puts all of their own properties on full carts rather than game key cards (Pokopia aside; Gamefreak and Pokemon are technically not Nintendo).
I don’t drink. But also don’t use the switch. Also I said most games are codes in a box with no cartridge. She only has one damn thing on a cartridge.
Considering how much we paid for that tiny console and how expensive the games are, I wouldn’t touch those with a 10m-pole.
Would pay a bit more and get a steamdeck if I absolutely HAD to be mobile.
It becomes neglectable if factoring in the ability to get vaaastly more games very cheap. I have bought like 15k games there.
Can game them on the deck, Linux and windows. Mac too maybe, who cares.
So the 780 covers my quarterly spending for games I could already play on it.
Even if one would start fresh, you could get a ton of games free or very dirt-cheap where switch wants 60 moneyz.
And those never check license online? How can they be sure it’s not just a rip or copy? Still the same old mechanisms that didn’t really work on PC 20yrs ago?
So I just pull the net-cable and it continues to work forever? (Minus updates and such)
That’s correct. You can play it just fine unless you’re playing a multiplayer game or DLC. You put the disc in, it installs what it needs to install in order to run, and you play the game.
That way, when the servers go down, you can still play it.
That’s nice. A wonder this survived so long. On PC it died 2 decades ago. Except for old games and some rare special ones like witcher3.
Legally at least.
I boycotted steam for years when it started because I knew this was the end of trading games or owning them.
Then I gave up because resistance was futile and now I have like 100k in games I will never own and would loose if steam was gone.
You can still buy lots of DRM-free games today, most notably on GOG, but many offline games on Steam also ship without DRM and can be launched without running Steam.
Yeah, a lot of people don’t know that a decent number of games on Steam have no DRM and you can just archive the installation (make a portable copy so to speak).
In another answer I named gog for that. But…it’s mostly older games, so not really helpful if You also like new games or even AAA.
But you also could “crack” most steam games so easily it’s absurd. So, every installed (or archived) game would still run without. The steam-drm is trivial.
Games aren’t streamed from the optical disks anymore. 8th gen of consoles (PS4 and Xbox one) required installing to a drive in order to play since HDD/SSD over sata is faster than optical.
Don’t most games need net for verification or updating anyway?
Yes, for updates, but I feel like you also need to do that on PC since we haven’t invented magic quite yet.
So it’s not yours even with a silly disk in hand
This does not follow from your previous statement. “If fish can’t fly then why are tomatoes red.” Games with the full game on disk work as is with whatever version of the game was put on there unless it requires online access.
In PS4 days, it was still common to be able to install & play games only from the disc. You were never forced to go online with your PS4. Even if you bought a game online you could always play offline. Besides pure online games of course.
So like 20yrs ago with PCs. Explains the many downloadable PS4 games.
Trading was nice, yes. I’m baffled consoleros can still do this. Would’ve bet you were already brought down to our level.
I just found out even on PS5s with disc drive there are a lot of single player games that don’t need an initial patch or verification and are playable without being online. But Sony no longer makes this a requirement for publishers as it was with PS4, so more and more games need this.
I have a PS5 without disc drive, so that’s not an option for me…
So…you have a driveless ps5 and couldn’t buy any ps5 game if it came on disk? You can only buy the license for your account?
But making it an option for devs probably means the end of media. Why would they even do that? As a Dev I want you to rent a license not own your shit.
I don’t think Sony allows PS5 games that are not available online.
“Sony makes it mandatory that you and your friends can share your games” was a major selling point.
THIS IS FOR THE PLAYERS was they slogan. And they were really focusing on people’s needs back then.
Until Sony realised they can just milk people as Microsoft did or so …
Oh yeah this slogan is super cool and a good selling point. Sadly also sounds like a thing from my childhood 40yrs ago.
They need to quench every cent. And probably noticed that the majority of people wouldn’t even know or care. And the others can accept it or move to another console that still does.
But I assume one is “imprinted” on one ecosystem and especially its controller?
Never had a console, but I’d be glad without the silly slow disks. I own my phone, my PCs, my servers, don’t use US-bigtec, don’t stream, don’t lease cars, don’t rent…but this?
Don’t most games need net for verification or updating anyway? So it’s not yours even with a silly disk in hand. I stand corrected if all games are 100% offline and a console would run forever with no net. I just don’t know.
With a CD you had the option to play on an airgapped ps4
Also, the problem is not digital but not being able to transfer your license, etc
But ps4 is old, yes? Does it still get new games? And can you just give me your disc and then it’s my game? If yes, I can’t imagine that this would be around any longer. You must not own things.
My wife has a switch and this thing is just shit. Expensive crap games bound to your account. Most are just codes anyway.
Dude purple are still checking out ps4 games at the library. Old and good are not mutually exclusive. Usually we only remember the good old stuff. Music, movies, books, you name it
True. Yet when I tried to replay games I have the fondest of memories of, it often is just 99% nostalgia. Seeing all the flaws, the horrible ui, the missing QoL we just expect nowadays l etc. I don’t care much for gfx, but it’s hard to really get into those again. Music, yeah sure. Good music does not age. Movies…depends. Some age horribly 😁 For books I rarely find time, but they’re timeless too.
our imaginations were doing a lot more than we gave them credit for with some of those old ones.
we liked writing lyrics to the mario brothers songs though. Mario Brothers 3 had “I am roy! The sailor boy! My life here is a joy! / I am roy! The sailor boy! My life here is a joy! / I like to eat rice (and cake) [repeated until you get back to I am Roy the sailor boy]” is probably the only one i remember
True that. I even enjoyed pong. 8 pixels, 3 of them moving 😁
As the Atari was my last console, I never played a single Mario or Zelda…I have to admit that 😊
PS4 still gets new games, yes. Even physical ones.
Nice. But still. This will end in the next 1-2yrs I assume, as one is urged to upgrade to the ps5?
Then why ask if all games will run offline forever? You clearly don’t care if your games will run offline forever if you think that the next console has any bearing on the matter.
You must be young. I still have my PlayStation 2 from when I was a kid. Works with every game I ever got for it. Same for n64, game boy, etc.
Ps2 is truly a beast. I have a ton of ps1 and ps2 games I still play from time to time
Ooo, you just reminded me I’m in the middle of xenogears on my phone (duckstation ftw also whew caught that typo) Love that game. Might as well start over.
How many lasers you burn through on your ps2?
My first and only console was an Atari 2600 with pong being the first ever played game. Guess the youngster is you 😉 Since then I was PC only. I like the option to own everything forever (pirated if no other means available) and archive it forever. Legally this option died 2 decades ago thanks to steam. So I just wondered why the big consoles still allow this.
Run forever is nice, but it also ends with the end of your ps4 then. So “forever” is kinda bound to that life. My Atari cartridges are still here and might even still work, but no consoles left and why would I even after 4 decades.
Dude I have a working 2600. I think. It worked 5 years ago but I don’t have a good two bolt connector (idk what it’s called. The one with two bolts) to hdmi convertor
Awesome… Are there even adaptors? It was an analog antenna-signal. If there is one, it’s probably not cheap. I dunno. If the cartridges still work after 40yrs is doubtful, isn’t it? Got pacman, qbert, space invaders, star wars and whatnot lying in my old-stuff-shrine 😁
Huh? I don’t think Valve wrote any laws about this, or even lobbied for them.
No they didn’t, they just relied on people prefering the “easy” way. Buy+download+play. But you can’t trade your games. Your license is tied to you. Physical media died due to steam. Hence trading and ownership. There is just GOG left where you buy stuff which is DRM-free and yours forever. BUT only old titles and SOME newer.
I’m a big fan of the switch, since it can be emulated. Best way to play console games… wait a few years and have pretty much all of them.
Can it? That’s cool but I somehow wouldn’t know why? For the exclusives? Are there even some? Isn’t the only benefit of a switch to be super mobile? An emulator would be my 1st choice, but also defeats the whole purpose of a switch.
You’d literally just said the Switch was shit, which makes it sort of weird for you to follow that up with gripes that emulating those games in better quality would be less mobile.
You’re not nerding hard enough. It’s ok, we slow down as we get older sometimes. If you have a nice connection at home and abroad you can use anything as a screen. You can play any PC game or emulated game running on your PC at home and streaming to a phone/tablet/screen connected to a bluetooth controller or one of those cases that snap around and add controls like a switch or steamdeck if you feel like it.
Aside from that, yes, of course Nintendo consoles have a lot of great exclusives. They always have. That’s not something new in the last several decades. The last several Zelda games have been amazing, and I’d much rather be playing them on a massive screen having been rendered at a much better resolution.
To me, personally, the switch is total shit. Even if connected to our 240" screen it’s fucking slow fps-wise and just looking dated. And seeing what she has to pay for games that maybe end with the life of the switch (dunno if the next iteration still could play them?)
Sure, I can stream the emulated switch-game to whichever device, but when I’m already there I wouldn’t know why I would prefer them over the tons of games I have at hand on the streaming-pc. The only exclusive that mildly interests me is breath of the wild. If the emulator could unlock fps and also offered a better resolution and m+k-input instead of controllers, I might even do that at some point.
Honestly you sound insufferable.
Honestly, I couldn’t care less for your opinion of me based on a handful sentences 😁
Switch is still offline… you can play any game you got on a cartridge for forever with no problems, what are you drinking dude?
Unless we’re talking Switch 2 game key cards. Those are just downloads you can trade. But at least Nintendo puts all of their own properties on full carts rather than game key cards (Pokopia aside; Gamefreak and Pokemon are technically not Nintendo).
I don’t drink. But also don’t use the switch. Also I said most games are codes in a box with no cartridge. She only has one damn thing on a cartridge. Considering how much we paid for that tiny console and how expensive the games are, I wouldn’t touch those with a 10m-pole. Would pay a bit more and get a steamdeck if I absolutely HAD to be mobile.
$780 is not a “bit” more.
It becomes neglectable if factoring in the ability to get vaaastly more games very cheap. I have bought like 15k games there. Can game them on the deck, Linux and windows. Mac too maybe, who cares. So the 780 covers my quarterly spending for games I could already play on it.
Even if one would start fresh, you could get a ton of games free or very dirt-cheap where switch wants 60 moneyz.
You can’t resell or let a friend borrow easily like with a physical disc
And those never check license online? How can they be sure it’s not just a rip or copy? Still the same old mechanisms that didn’t really work on PC 20yrs ago? So I just pull the net-cable and it continues to work forever? (Minus updates and such)
That’s correct. You can play it just fine unless you’re playing a multiplayer game or DLC. You put the disc in, it installs what it needs to install in order to run, and you play the game.
That way, when the servers go down, you can still play it.
That’s nice. A wonder this survived so long. On PC it died 2 decades ago. Except for old games and some rare special ones like witcher3. Legally at least. I boycotted steam for years when it started because I knew this was the end of trading games or owning them. Then I gave up because resistance was futile and now I have like 100k in games I will never own and would loose if steam was gone.
You can still buy lots of DRM-free games today, most notably on GOG, but many offline games on Steam also ship without DRM and can be launched without running Steam.
Yeah, a lot of people don’t know that a decent number of games on Steam have no DRM and you can just archive the installation (make a portable copy so to speak).
In another answer I named gog for that. But…it’s mostly older games, so not really helpful if You also like new games or even AAA.
But you also could “crack” most steam games so easily it’s absurd. So, every installed (or archived) game would still run without. The steam-drm is trivial.
Games aren’t streamed from the optical disks anymore. 8th gen of consoles (PS4 and Xbox one) required installing to a drive in order to play since HDD/SSD over sata is faster than optical.
Yes, for updates, but I feel like you also need to do that on PC since we haven’t invented magic quite yet.
This does not follow from your previous statement. “If fish can’t fly then why are tomatoes red.” Games with the full game on disk work as is with whatever version of the game was put on there unless it requires online access.
In PS4 days, it was still common to be able to install & play games only from the disc. You were never forced to go online with your PS4. Even if you bought a game online you could always play offline. Besides pure online games of course.
Pure online games is kinda obvious 😁
Always offline = forever? Not license verification once a month or so?
You only had to put in the disc to play. So you could still trade or share your games with others after you played through.
So like 20yrs ago with PCs. Explains the many downloadable PS4 games. Trading was nice, yes. I’m baffled consoleros can still do this. Would’ve bet you were already brought down to our level.
I just found out even on PS5s with disc drive there are a lot of single player games that don’t need an initial patch or verification and are playable without being online. But Sony no longer makes this a requirement for publishers as it was with PS4, so more and more games need this. I have a PS5 without disc drive, so that’s not an option for me…
So…you have a driveless ps5 and couldn’t buy any ps5 game if it came on disk? You can only buy the license for your account?
But making it an option for devs probably means the end of media. Why would they even do that? As a Dev I want you to rent a license not own your shit.
I don’t think Sony allows PS5 games that are not available online.
“Sony makes it mandatory that you and your friends can share your games” was a major selling point. THIS IS FOR THE PLAYERS was they slogan. And they were really focusing on people’s needs back then.
Until Sony realised they can just milk people as Microsoft did or so …
Oh yeah this slogan is super cool and a good selling point. Sadly also sounds like a thing from my childhood 40yrs ago.
They need to quench every cent. And probably noticed that the majority of people wouldn’t even know or care. And the others can accept it or move to another console that still does. But I assume one is “imprinted” on one ecosystem and especially its controller?