I feel like one of the things he said was that he blacklisted people who “regularly post things normal people don’t want to see” (or something along those lines). I assumed that was a blanket statement to cover Violet and anyone else whose posts have made him feel uncomfortable.
At this point they should just have a whitelist, that’s a hell of a list! There’s some users I recognise from my instance who are chill so I can’t imagine how they ended up on this list.
I don’t get it. Is this some personal vendetta the dev has? Have they really been in this many internet arguments? Where did this list come about and why?
It’s pretty long and includes some insightful details about implementation (making the blocklist’s usage at the discretion of the instance admin though not transparent of its contents and defaulting it to enabled) but this quote boils down the underlying sentiment pretty well:
“These are all rough edges of the threadiverse which I am attempting to round off so we might actually be able to retain some level headed people instead of scraping the bottom of the barrel by being a dumping ground for people rejected by civil society."
When you examine the list, by and large, it’s pretty reasonable. Lots of false news, state propaganda, spammers, etc. But also the entire lemmy.blahaj.zone instance (where many of lemmy’s trans denizens call home). We’re included in what the lead developer describes as “bottom of the barrel” “people rejected by civil society.”
Though I do fear the backlash. You’ve got a bunch of malicious spammers, hate-mongers and blackhat state actors who now have an open window to cause a lot of harm (harassment & general sowing of discontent) with the convenient smoke screen of upset trans folks who it can be blamed on.
You’re assuming his apologia is not disingenuous. The notes he added in the commit messages and the extent to which he blocked users who were indirectly implicated in his accusations don’t line up with his explanations.
There’s also the fact that much of it is caught under a very broad net of “promoting violence” without any examples provided of what constitutes such a thing. He used that exact explanation to justify banning blahaj.zone, where he said that some users did so and the admins did not act on it, which prompted him to blacklist the entire instance and the admins specifically.
This isn’t even getting into the intentional inaccuracies about the nature of his “Toxic Mode”, or his entire rant on db0 which is not only dishonest and weirdly personal, but also straight up lying about what happened and why. There’s zero way to say that exposing his blacklist is “going Karen” like he did, and it’s a straight lie to say that nobody had a problem with his blacklisting until db0 complained when the situation is that db0 made the existence of the blocklist known.
The philosophy of federation is that such whims should be openly handled on the federation level, not in a secret blacklist of a front end that was openly available to all.
All of this shit falls flat when the dev themself admits they hid the feature to disable deep in the app and even called it “toxic mode”. Is saying “perchance” toxic? Because that’s one of their blocked phrases. Fuck no, it’s not. This is just shit the personally dislike and put it in under the guise of making the fediverse more normie friendly.
As if silently hiding content with phrases like “perchance” and causing a massive drama makes the fediverse more normie friendly.
also, I have to call him not just a dumbass but a malicious dumbass.
“Someone leaked the list. Why am I on it??”
A: The list was never hidden just not advertised (lest people game it). I also could have encrypted it, but I merely compressed it for efficiency. If you’re on the list, then one of the 10 reasons above applies.
the file in question was placed obscurely. updated without directly calling out what it was. and published without notifying users.
seems a lot of effort went into obfuscating the true purpose of the file.
while on the subject of obfuscation. he claimed he “compressed it for efficiency”.
he compressed it, then base64 encoded it. why? why compress it to only expand the size of the file by encoding it??
@ptz@dubvee.org is a dumbass and a shitty dev if he thinks any of the bullshit he said was worth the time it took to say it.
Really? I’m malicious spammer, hate-monger or blackhat state actor? News to me, but good to know.
Though I do fear the backlash. You’ve got a bunch of malicious spammers, hate-mongers and blackhat state actors who now have an open window to cause a lot of harm (harassment & general sowing of discontent) with the convenient smoke screen of upset trans folks who it can be blamed on.
I know, I think it’s funny. But someone has to call out the guy who’s agreeing with Admiral Patrick and always seems to have a space/star trek themed name. Either an excellent shit poster that I get to set up, or it’s one of their buddies/alts.
It seems they want to silence any kind of hate speech, so I guess some hateful leftists or aggressive trans people (as few as there may be) felt discriminated.
Hate speech is speech encouraging/justifying violence based on inherent characteristics, such as race, gender, sexuality, etc, not just speech you hated lmao.
They posted an explanation in the tesseract community, but it boils down to they want the fediverse to succeed and replace reddit, but there is a contingent of toxic users that they feel is hindering that goal so they precompiled a list for new instance admins.
It’s fully optional and can easily be disabled in the UI
Yeah it’s not for me either, but I also believe that people have a right to not have other’s speech or behavior forced upon them, which is kind of exactly what ActivityPub was created to facilitate and what separates it from corporate platforms.
The author offers a lengthy explanation in their own words as to precisely why this was done. TLDR: people are free to stop using it, but he’s making these changes because he wants to offer this service on behalf of those who don’t enjoy all the toxicity here.
Eh, I guess my opinion is somewhat colored by seeing some of the things they decided to block. Like “perchance” stood out. None of that specific information was in this post.
Lmfao. I didn’t make it more than a few paragraphs because it’s written with the maturity of a 10 year old in a chocolate sausage museum.
You can really tell they’re up for an honest and open conversation with the community, really trying to improve the Fediverse, with their locking of all comments.
He’s clearly the toxic one and is projecting his issues onto hundreds of others.
people are not “free to stop using it” if the instance admin is using it.
honestly I don’t even give a fuck about me being on “the list” anymore. I’m more upset that he decided for hundreds if not thousands of users without consulting them or taking into consideration of their opinions.
he took the choice away from them, and that’s kind of the problem with tech anymore.
@ptz@dubvee.org is a scammy piece of shit that got caught and is attempting to do damage control now.
don’t his users and his users users deserve transparency?
I mean, to be fair, here is that entire paragraph for context:
As will be explained further, there are 10 rules that are enforced, the biggest one being a very basic “don’t be a violent extremist”. That’s probably 30% of the list. Another 50% are just alts of Dwazou (persistent, long-term ban evader), and the remaining 20% just garden-variety spammers and toxic people who scare the normies away.
Based on this, it is much more likely that you are an alt of Dwazou. (Or maybe I am? 🤪 Statistically, between the three of us, you me and the author, ONE of us must be!!)
THAT list is able to be disabled, though people are mad about its discoverability and transparency.
The OTHER list, the smaller instance-level one, reportedly cannot be disabled, seemingly the only recourse for those instances on it are to use his fork of the code.
This is from db0’s reporting, I have not attempted to confirm personally, but I would be happy to be corrected if need be.
I’m not on the list, and have been thinking if they want to curate their instance/app whatever it was that’s their right.
But “Jessi?e Welle?s” is on the list? I get he’s political, but if you don’t like what he’s saying I think I’d rather associate with the people on the list because if they’re being put next to Jessie they’re probably good people.
As will be explained further, there are 10 rules that are enforced, the biggest one being a very basic “don’t be a violent extremist”. That’s probably 30% of the list. Another 50% are just alts of Dwazou (persistent, long-term ban evader), and the remaining 20% just garden-variety spammers and toxic people who scare the normies away.
I’m not an alt of dwazou, or a spammer so guess that just leaves violent extremist.
To the fascist nazi scumbag, “violent extremist” means anyone that opposes genocide, anyone that has espoused consequences for murder, torture, and oppression, or anyone that has ever made fun of Charlie “Goebbels” Kirk.
Honestly, incels have a greater need than normies for a space on the internet where they can be as toxic as they like. On account of nobody willing to listen to them irl… 🤣
And Twitch (where “sadge” derives from, according to my Google-fu), and Tiktok, and Instagram, and don’t forget Lemmy, and… but the thing is, when you’ve been banned from ALL of those, where else do you go next, other than a free instance with an open sign-up policy? 🤪
the list for anyone wondering
Just know that everyone on that list is a violent extremist including me
What the fuck did violet do to make the list?
I feel like one of the things he said was that he blacklisted people who “regularly post things normal people don’t want to see” (or something along those lines). I assumed that was a blanket statement to cover Violet and anyone else whose posts have made him feel uncomfortable.
What an absolute snowflake.
How do I apply for the list
At this point they should just have a whitelist, that’s a hell of a list! There’s some users I recognise from my instance who are chill so I can’t imagine how they ended up on this list.
Goddamn I’m not just banned as a user, I’m banned as a specific userRegex. That makes me 2x more extremist than the average banned user.
Get on my level you losers.
I’m also under userRegex. What does that designation mean exactly?
It means that any user with that username on any instance will be blocked. No matter if you’re on lemmy.world, piefed.zip or asldkfjalsdifjlasdf.mobi.
Ah, thanks. That’s what I thought, but as this is my only Lemmy account it seemed like overkill
Am an average joe, and i also got banned via regex.
So you are not thaat extremist, just an average joe level extremist
Tesseract users losing access to your comments is a realitaetsverlustverlust 🤪
I don’t get it. Is this some personal vendetta the dev has? Have they really been in this many internet arguments? Where did this list come about and why?
Here’s their full explanation: https://lemmy.world/post/49817942
It’s pretty long and includes some insightful details about implementation (making the blocklist’s usage at the discretion of the instance admin though not transparent of its contents and defaulting it to enabled) but this quote boils down the underlying sentiment pretty well:
When you examine the list, by and large, it’s pretty reasonable. Lots of false news, state propaganda, spammers, etc. But also the entire lemmy.blahaj.zone instance (where many of lemmy’s trans denizens call home). We’re included in what the lead developer describes as “bottom of the barrel” “people rejected by civil society.”
Though I do fear the backlash. You’ve got a bunch of malicious spammers, hate-mongers and blackhat state actors who now have an open window to cause a lot of harm (harassment & general sowing of discontent) with the convenient smoke screen of upset trans folks who it can be blamed on.
You’re assuming his apologia is not disingenuous. The notes he added in the commit messages and the extent to which he blocked users who were indirectly implicated in his accusations don’t line up with his explanations.
There’s also the fact that much of it is caught under a very broad net of “promoting violence” without any examples provided of what constitutes such a thing. He used that exact explanation to justify banning blahaj.zone, where he said that some users did so and the admins did not act on it, which prompted him to blacklist the entire instance and the admins specifically.
This isn’t even getting into the intentional inaccuracies about the nature of his “Toxic Mode”, or his entire rant on db0 which is not only dishonest and weirdly personal, but also straight up lying about what happened and why. There’s zero way to say that exposing his blacklist is “going Karen” like he did, and it’s a straight lie to say that nobody had a problem with his blacklisting until db0 complained when the situation is that db0 made the existence of the blocklist known.
The philosophy of federation is that such whims should be openly handled on the federation level, not in a secret blacklist of a front end that was openly available to all.
I’m a rough edge!
All of this shit falls flat when the dev themself admits they hid the feature to disable deep in the app and even called it “toxic mode”. Is saying “perchance” toxic? Because that’s one of their blocked phrases. Fuck no, it’s not. This is just shit the personally dislike and put it in under the guise of making the fediverse more normie friendly.
As if silently hiding content with phrases like “perchance” and causing a massive drama makes the fediverse more normie friendly.
I’ll give a short description of the long post.
also, I have to call him not just a dumbass but a malicious dumbass.
the file in question was placed obscurely. updated without directly calling out what it was. and published without notifying users.
seems a lot of effort went into obfuscating the true purpose of the file.
while on the subject of obfuscation. he claimed he “compressed it for efficiency”.
he compressed it, then base64 encoded it. why? why compress it to only expand the size of the file by encoding it??
@ptz@dubvee.org is a dumbass and a shitty dev if he thinks any of the bullshit he said was worth the time it took to say it.
This shit is rich
That’s fucked up. And he’s the self-appointed “nice” [secret]police? Yikes.
Really? I’m malicious spammer, hate-monger or blackhat state actor? News to me, but good to know.
Don’t worry I’m on that list too. I’m just a grumpy reddit refugee. Apparently I’m an extreme violent leftist terrorist, so
¯\(ツ)/¯
I know, I think it’s funny. But someone has to call out the guy who’s agreeing with Admiral Patrick and always seems to have a space/star trek themed name. Either an excellent shit poster that I get to set up, or it’s one of their buddies/alts.
Yeah that comment was about you specifically. Sorry you had to find out that way
Seems like it’s hubris / arrogance - a poorly considered attempt to create some kind of ideal social experience.
They thought they could covertly silence leftists and trans people. Par for the course with bigoted fascists.
It seems they want to silence any kind of hate speech, so I guess some hateful leftists or aggressive trans people (as few as there may be) felt discriminated.
Hate speech is speech encouraging/justifying violence based on inherent characteristics, such as race, gender, sexuality, etc, not just speech you hated lmao.
Been reading up on it a bit, yeah, seems to be the case indeed. Shame it went that way for them.
They posted an explanation in the tesseract community, but it boils down to they want the fediverse to succeed and replace reddit, but there is a contingent of toxic users that they feel is hindering that goal so they precompiled a list for new instance admins.
It’s fully optional and can easily be disabled in the UI
Honestly, with this block list, what’s actually left in terms of content? That list would surely account for half this platform’s traffic or more.
Yeah it’s not for me either, but I also believe that people have a right to not have other’s speech or behavior forced upon them, which is kind of exactly what ActivityPub was created to facilitate and what separates it from corporate platforms.
It is not fully optional. It was obfuscated and unremovable. That’s why the backlash has been so severe.
Not to mention, why should a user interface make that decision? That’s up to individual server admins and their userbase.
Fully agree on the weirdness that this would somehow be the concern of a frontend. Nah brh. Very strange.
The author offers a lengthy explanation in their own words as to precisely why this was done. TLDR: people are free to stop using it, but he’s making these changes because he wants to offer this service on behalf of those who don’t enjoy all the toxicity here.
Your TLDR reeeeeeealllllly buries the lede.
Fair, I guess that was more my own take-away from it than summary! :-P
Eh, I guess my opinion is somewhat colored by seeing some of the things they decided to block. Like “perchance” stood out. None of that specific information was in this post.
Lmfao. I didn’t make it more than a few paragraphs because it’s written with the maturity of a 10 year old in a chocolate sausage museum.
You can really tell they’re up for an honest and open conversation with the community, really trying to improve the Fediverse, with their locking of all comments.
He’s clearly the toxic one and is projecting his issues onto hundreds of others.
I dunno, those slime monsters might love the lettuce in the USA right about now… all that “extra seasoning”, yum!? 😋🤤
people are not “free to stop using it” if the instance admin is using it.
honestly I don’t even give a fuck about me being on “the list” anymore. I’m more upset that he decided for hundreds if not thousands of users without consulting them or taking into consideration of their opinions.
he took the choice away from them, and that’s kind of the problem with tech anymore.
@ptz@dubvee.org is a scammy piece of shit that got caught and is attempting to do damage control now.
don’t his users and his users users deserve transparency?
Yes they do but the irony present in your reply is palpable.
Incels upon being told no simply create an alt to evade bans.
Tesseract bans them anyway.
WoN’t SoMeOnE pLeAsE tHiNk oF tHe
childrenBaN eVaDeRs?!Sadge :-(
I think you missed the point.
I won’t bother wasting my time explaining it, I’ll just block you.
because I have the choice to do that
Lol. TIL I’m a violent extremist. Me. Boring, professional, suit wearing, family of four having, generic white guy.
The world this guy lives in must be truly weird.
That is like the quintessential serial killer description by his neighbors.
“It’s the quiet ones you gotta watch” -George Carlin
I mean, to be fair, here is that entire paragraph for context:
Based on this, it is much more likely that you are an alt of Dwazou. (Or maybe I am? 🤪 Statistically, between the three of us, you me and the author, ONE of us must be!!)
Why are you talking to yourself? /j
Maybe we both are. I’m not sure we’d know…
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THAT list is able to be disabled, though people are mad about its discoverability and transparency.
The OTHER list, the smaller instance-level one, reportedly cannot be disabled, seemingly the only recourse for those instances on it are to use his fork of the code.
This is from db0’s reporting, I have not attempted to confirm personally, but I would be happy to be corrected if need be.
hey you wanna eat some random shit
Holy fuck I made the list wow
Hey, thanks. I had heard about the list but didn’t know where to find it. Turns out I’m on it, too. Badge of honor.
Same. I even got a whole ass regex.
Yeah, I didn’t know I had it in me! Death to Zionism. Such violence.
s/ism/ists/g
oops, made a violence
I’m on a list. This is a big day for me.
First read as violet extremist and thought the blacklist was about armpit lickers.
Adding to my vernacular.👅
I’m not on the list, and have been thinking if they want to curate their instance/app whatever it was that’s their right.
But “Jessi?e Welle?s” is on the list? I get he’s political, but if you don’t like what he’s saying I think I’d rather associate with the people on the list because if they’re being put next to Jessie they’re probably good people.
Proof it,or shut up. /s
Maaaan guess I need to post more
Not a single SDF user? I guess we’re a peaceful bunch
Nah I got a regex on the list and I used to post as an SDF user (same name).
no 40 checking in!
Tesseract dev: “I made a list of people who willfully misconstrue things to create drama and play the victim”.
people on that list: “OHH WOW SO I’M A VIOLENT EXTREMIST NOW???”
Are you trying to create drama and play the victim while complaining about other people supposedly creating drama and playing the victim?
They have a cure for that, it’s called fucking off.
im no victim i’m the winner here lol
Winners are well-regarded for doing everything you’re doing.
nice
Cunt
TIL the wholesome yuri community are violent extremists.
you learned that? where?
did you read the devs reply?, He definitely wasn’t saying this was for annoying people who misconstrue things
I’m not an alt of dwazou, or a spammer so guess that just leaves violent extremist.
To the fascist nazi scumbag, “violent extremist” means anyone that opposes genocide, anyone that has espoused consequences for murder, torture, and oppression, or anyone that has ever made fun of Charlie “Goebbels” Kirk.
IIRC they said that who is on the list is either extremist or toxic
yeah not putting up with assholes is toxic, didn’t you know
Some even proudly so, from the looks of things:-P.
they’re allowed lol
smug levels off the charts. gross.
Honestly, incels have a greater need than normies for a space on the internet where they can be as toxic as they like. On account of nobody willing to listen to them irl… 🤣
It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society
They already have Twitter and Reddit!
And Twitch (where “sadge” derives from, according to my Google-fu), and Tiktok, and Instagram, and don’t forget Lemmy, and… but the thing is, when you’ve been banned from ALL of those, where else do you go next, other than a free instance with an open sign-up policy? 🤪