Power cable linking UK and Ireland now passes near Bronze Age human burial remains instead of fictional grave on Welsh beach

Update: further information by @BigDiction@lemmy.world in the comments below

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    I don’t give a fuck about HP Whatshercunt, but I do love this story. Because it shows that collectively we have more power then these companies. If we could get our shit together and stop fighting each other we could bully them into litterally anything we want because THERE ARE MORE OF US. It’s so dumb that we have let a tiny group of people convince us, the larger group that massively outnumbers them, they have all the power in the relationship.

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    This is actually a win. The original site was going through an ecological sensitive area. People fought to protect the “grave” of a fictional character but accidentally protected a delicate ecology. That is more important than protecting the dead, real or not.

    Fans of the wizard series come to leave stones reading “Here Lies Dobby” despite being asked not to by the land owner, the National Trust, because the beach is an ecologically sensitive site.

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      Gotta love that a fictional character created by a transphobe carries more weight and concern than the further destruction of our biosphere.

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    “How did Donald Trump win in the US? How could so many people be so stupid and out of touch with reality?”

    Harry Potter fans force relocation of £430m undersea cable to avoid Dobby’s ‘grave’

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    Any grave site more than a hundred years old that isnt well preserved is actually exactly as fictional as dobbys grave. Neither person is in there, after all…

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      Except we can and have learned volumes from the past by studying grave sites, but that doesn’t work for fictional sites.

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      They are quite shit. They are easy reads, and it gets children to read, that’s pretty good. But damn, shit makes no sense, and harry potter adults are pretty damn weird.

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      It’s, of course, a matter of taste whether or not you find them good. But let’s not pretend that we’re not talking about one of he most popular, best-selling children’s book series of all time that spawned a 30+ billion dollar franchise of movies, merch, games, and a theme park. Plenty of people found them plenty good enough to generate that big of a financial success.

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        hey now, lets not try to get people to realize that other people’s opinions matter.

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          Popular doesn’t mean great, of course, but it does mean it was at least good enough to be enjoyed by a lot of people. If it were objectively bad, as in it had no good qualities at all, it wouldn’t be popular.

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          Harry Potter is very well written. Like leagues beyond what you typically get for youth fiction/young adult.

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            You should read His Dark Materials or The Old Kingdom. Both series are much, much more thoughtfully or together. Their plotting and characterization really put HP to shame.

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            You’ve only got “UK AKSHULLY NO IT ISNT LALALALA” responses, and I feel obligated to speak up for my late (queer fan) friend and say I’m not a fan but they are completely fine books written better then a shit ton of other books for kids. I’ve read the first four and found them to be between “serviceable” and “great”. They were no “Animorphs” to me, but at no point did I find myself thinking “this is boring and sucks”, so people saying they’re straight-up bad are nuts or just being disingenuous.

            If the author wasn’t a mad cunt, I guarantee most of the people saying they’re shit wouldn’t be saying that.

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              If she hadn’t become a vociferous anti civil rights activist the reality is a lot of us would still be tired of the books and frustrated with elements of them, but there’d be less anger when they come up. There were plenty of people getting real sick of how popular they’d remained in the mid 10s.

              I read them all as a kid and loved them, but I was definitely tired of how much cultural space they took up for so fucking long. And the criticisms are valid, the books did an amazing job of inspiring obsession in a kid of the time, they felt like they grew with me, they had so much room to imagine in, and they were also full of holes, mid prose, and the sort of issues I’m kinda shocked my parents didn’t feel the need to have a conversation about.

              But also, would people be as vocal about these issues if it wasn’t the largest media franchise under individual control and controlled by someone who has funded massive rollbacks in rights for a group she’s bigoted towards? Obviously not, we’d just still be saying to read another book, not arguing not to continue purchasing products from the franchise.

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            Its pretty mid.

            I was a book kid, who grew up and was 13 to 17 during the release of the HP series.

            I read mountains of YA books and adult alike. Spent tonnes of weekend days at the library.

            HP was okay, it wasnt bad.

            But it wasnt the best either. I would absolutely say stuff like Sabriel and the Bartimaeus trilogy were substantially better.

            Oh and dont even get me started on Redwall, Jacques was an amazing writer who knew how to craft incredible worlds.

            By comparison to those, Id score HP closer to a 6 or so.

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              Sabriel and Redwall were my jam as a kid. I still revisit the Abhorsen series from time to time. Basically I reread them all when Nix releases a new book.

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            Harry Potter is very well written. Like leagues beyond what you typically get for youth fiction/young adult.

            , they said loftily.

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            It’s not well very written, even by youth / young adult standards.

            It’s not poorly written either mind.

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              Have you actually gone back and read any of the copious amounts of ya books?

              Off the top of my head – go and reread a Goosebumps book. They are super simple. HP is downright shakespearian compared to them.

              Hardy boys, tom swift series (80s/90s versions) and countless other one shot books that I can barely remember are all super simple too.

              Yes, there are always outliers like Redwall but when compared to the whole HP was well written regardless of the trash person who wrote them.

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            It’s really not well written, by classical standards. It’s very colorful and fun and entertaining. But the story and plot constantly use “deus ex machina”. Just try an summarize the actions and plot of the movie, it makes no sense whatsoever. Really the story is garbage, but the characters and adventure still makes it fun.

            I think that is a feature of a many modern “web novels” or fan fiction. A sort of liberation of the shackles of good writing. Web novels democratized authorship in a way. We really have far more entertaining authors with much more talent than was made to believe (Tangent: A bit like porn today, now that everybody can do it on their own, from their home without some creepy porn producer, we have far better and more creative porn than ever). Most people are creative and pretty good as amateur writers. They just haven’t learned the craft of writing a good story lol (cannot be said about Rowlings though, she should have known better).

            Why some things become a hit and others not is an unsolved question. If we could answer that, book publishing and movie studios would work very differently. Don’t ascribe to quality which can equally be ascribed to luck or marketing.

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        I do think a lot of that popularity was because it came out when internet forums were a novelty. If you’re used to only one or two people liking the same book as you, then you see thousands liking the same book, that book must be popular.

        Then the popularity fed itself. Movies, merch, games, everything was done to capitalise on the “popularity” of a new series, and this introduced it to a new audience. Media started to talk about the new book series that people were going mad for. People who didn’t read the books wanted to find out what everyone was talking about. Time passes, and people look back on the books with nostalgia goggles. Even you, when defending the book, can only point to its popularity as an argument.

        The actual book doesn’t matter. It’s popular because it’s popular.

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          Even you, when defending the book, can only point to its popularity as an argument.

          Well, that’s a bad assumption. I was appealing to it popularity and financial value because that is a real objective measure that indicates that people liked the series. I didn’t argue with someone on the internet who declared that the books were bad, full stop, over my subjective perception of its merits and quality becuase that is a pointless argument to have. Not to mention, likely one to be met with open hostility on Lemmy. No thanks.

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            First, it’s only a measure that people consume the media, not that they enjoy it. Hate-watching is a thing, as you can tell from a comment higher up. Or they watched because someone else wanted to watch (or they thought someone else wanted to watch).

            Second, enjoyment does not reflect quality. People can like bad media. I like the second D&D movie, and even I can only rate it’s quality as “fine”.

            Third, even at the height of its popularity and among its strongest fans, there are flaws galore in the books. Even ignoring the racism, sexism, ablism, slavery, “ugly is bad” mindset, and all that, there’s also stupid plot decisions and lazy world building. Of all the fanfics on AO3, well over a third of them are fix-fics.

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              Fan merch doesn’t sell for “fine”. Theme parks aren’t floated on hate-watching. People don’t spend $30 billion ironically. Yea, those things factor in, but they are clearly not the main drivers. And flaws do not make a work not good overall. I’m the first to admit it is flawed, for every reason you mentioned and more. But none of that makes it bad.

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                There is fan merch of The Room. Theme parks don’t need a popular franchise connected to be popular, so long as there’s a rollercoaster and something fun for the whole family. People will happily spend money on nostalgia and fitting in with others, or on gifts for someone you think likes the thing.

                All of this is, once again, an appeal to popularity. It has nothing to do with the quality of the books. And you saying the book isn’t bad despite bad plot, world, characters and implications just condemns your judgement.

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    Fans of the wizard series come to leave stones reading “Here Lies Dobby” despite being asked not to by the land owner, the National Trust, because the beach is an ecologically sensitive site.

    But apparently not so ecologically sensitive that an undersea cable couldn’t run through it.

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      You only have to lay a cable down once and it’ll work for however many decades. People trudging through on a regular basis to leave rocks would be an ongoing concern.

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        This assumes a lot of things about the installation and longevity of the cable and its jacket, and forgets that some of these things have been so magnetically interfering to their surroundings that sharks have bitten them.

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    In the end, he said, “we went quite close to some real Bronze Age remains, but we avoided Dobby’s grave”.

    The Bronze Age remains include urns associated with human burial.

    Priorities are in order!

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    This is fucking pathetic

    At least no actual harm was done to a site of archaeological significance to placate a bunch of fucking nerds

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      Stop the nerd on nerd hate - if you’re posting on Lemmy the chance that you are also a nerd is pretty damn high.

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      a bunch of fucking nerds

      Lol Harry Potter readers being nerdy kids may have been true in the late 90s or early 00s. Most fans of the movies are normies.

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        It wasn’t even true then. Harry Potter was the flagship of the Scholastic book fair at the time along with books like Animorphs.

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          Have you read Animorphs? Those books were bought entirely by people judging them based on their cover. They have kids on them turning into a different animal on each. That just looked cool. If I had had the money for it, I too would have collected them, entirely based on the animals on the cover (I’ll take the dog, the hawk, and the dolphin, thanks). 99% of kids who bought them would have done so for the exact same reason.

          The actual story is some of the least kid-friendly I’ve ever heard. It’s filled with body horror, cosmic horror, guerilla warfare and espionage with child soldiers, children losing their bodies, children losing their minds through torture, kids having existential crises after witnessing and participating horrific acts of war, countless murders of loved ones, planet scale genocide, etc. It’s not for normies. I don’t know anyone personally that has actually read the whole series, including myself. I have watched a guy on YouTube go over the plot in summary and… holy fuck. Those books are darker than anything I’ve read as an adult.

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            I don’t know anyone personally that has actually read the whole series, including myself.

            I think I have? There might be a side book or two I missed, I think I only read one of the choose your own adventure ones. But I read the main series all the way to the end and the ‘main’ side stories (Hork-Bajir Chronicles, etc). I enjoyed the hell out of it as a kid, it definitely influenced a lot of my anti-war feelings.

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              You can get the ebooks for free with the author’s blessing. I started reading them as a kid when they were new but couldn’t find the books readily enough. Found them again as an adult and read the whole series. It’s far better written than anything Rowling has ever penned and has the added benefit of Applegate being an actual decent human being.

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            I loved that shit as a kid.

            I also watch the news and learn about the genocide in Palestine every morning. The biggest difference is that Animorphs was much more fun and had a better ending.

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            I was a kid back then so I definitely read some of them. Though I have no memory of them having a related story or a contiguous plot line, or really of any of the plot lines anyway. I vaguely remember that there were more books later on, I’m pretty sure the ones I read were like the first few published.

            I definitely remember there being Animorphs posters in our school library and shit and the software used to make the cover was very popular, at the time it was also used in several TV shows and such.

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        This is so frustrating. My sister loves HP and refuses to discuss Rowling. While still buying merch that directly supports her.

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          I love Harry Potter. I pirated every book and seed every movie.

          You can still enjoy something without supporting her.

          Talk to your sister about the economics of pirating. You can make your own merch.

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            True, but on a personal level I also just really can’t enjoy it anymore knowing who’s behind it regardless of how I obtain it.

            (I also just grew out of it, that too)

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          I wish I was talented and safe from prosection. I would sell every Harry Potter thing I could, and donate the profits to a trans-positive cause…

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        Trust me, many (former) Harry Potter fans are incredibly disappointed and do not support the queen TERF.

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      The Bronze Age burial site is nerdy, to bury the dead in the first place and to study it a thousand years later is nerdy, that is to say the product of a complex mind. Perhaps over-complex but that is beyond the scope of this post, enough to say its all a bit nerdy.

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    What I don’t get is, how did Dobby get so much love in the Harry Potter fandom while Jar-Jar Binks in Star Wars got so much hate? They were both insufferably annoying characters.

    I get that Dobby has fans; what I don’t get is why the same wasn’t extended to Jar-Jar.

    Jar-Jar didn’t die, I guess, but I feel like even if he did, fans would glaze him over decades later. They’d say “good riddance” and that would be that.

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      Jar-Jar was introduced at a time when everyone had spent twenty years forming their idea of what a Star Wars movie should be like and he ran totally counter to that. Dobby was introduced in the second instalment of his series.

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      Personally, I am a fan of the Darth Jar-Jar hypothesis. In light of recent real-world history, it has become very plausible.

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      Harry Potter was mostly kids watching and their families. Phantom Menace had to also cater to adult-shaped children who lost their collective shit after realizing Star Wars is actually a kids movie franchise made to sell toys and merchandising and licensing deals to children and continue on into adult hood.

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      Dobby was a pitiful creature enslaved by a bad guy who dies saving the main characters

      Jar Jar was a stupid alien added to the prequel for comedic relief

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        Jar Jar was a stupid alien added to the prequel for comedic relief

        Jar Jar was the big bad until they dialed up the obfuscating stupidity too high and the backlash made George Lucas chicken out.

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            I don’t really buy Darth Jar Jar, but I can see him being an exiled Jedi. None of his “accidents” worked against the goals of the heroes and he was always where he needed to be. He felt like the drunken fool who would be revealed to a kungfu master by the end. Gin’s dismissive lines to him in episode 1 was setting up for something. The whole prequel trilogy was about the corruption of the Jedi and Jar Jar might have been exile or left because of his opposition to it.

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              None of his actions worked against the sith plot either. Remember that they weren’t on the side of the droid army, that was just a bad guy whose presence allowed them to manipulate the senate and jedi and set them up for their takeover/downfall. The first thing Palatine does after he’s won is orders Anakin to cut off the head of that bad guy, now that they were no longer needed.

              And even though it appeared that the good guys won episode 1, in hindsight I’d call it almost a complete victory for the sith. Palpatine was chancellor, Qui Gon (who might have had the wisdom to help Anakin avoid the dark side) was dead, Anakin (who Palpatine and Plagius caused to come into existence with some force fuckery 8 years prior to ep 1) was in the jedi and was already contentious and being trained by a jedi who was not equipped to handle someone as tempermental as Anakin, and the trade federation was on the radar as a threat to the Republic. The only loss to them was their enforcer, Maul.

              The outcome of the battle for Naboo didn’t matter to them. Though it was also Anakin that won that battle, despite Jar Jar’s chaotic effectiveness for their side. Without Anakin’s surprise victory, they didn’t really have a path to victory and IIRC they were pretty much surrendering when the droids suddenly went dead, so it wasn’t like Jar Jar was even winning the conflict for them.

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              None of his “accidents” worked against the goals of the heroes and he was always where he needed to be.

              Well yeah, he was still in the “gain their trust” phase. The betrayal/reveal was going to happen in the second or third movie.

              The whole prequel trilogy was about the corruption of the Jedi and Jar Jar might have been exile or left because of his opposition to it.

              Jar Jar causing the corruption of Anakin, more like.

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          That’s just a fan theory made up by prequel fans trying to save face.

          You can watch the behind the scenes documentaries. Jar jar was always meant to be a comedic character.

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          I watched the original trilogy in the 90s but after seeing the jar jar movie in theaters, didn’t watch anything in the franchise until Andor.

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          I watched Episode One when it was released and I was completely bored through the whole thing. I enjoyed the first three movies in theaters well enough, so I was surprised at how bored I was.

          I watched Episode One again with my spouse who had never seen Star Wars, as a “we should watch the first three movies for Spaceballs context” like a decade ago, then watched the fourth because I remembered it being shit. The only good part in that movie is when Jarjar says “DAT SMEL STINKAWIFF”, one of the fucking worst lines ever written. We quote it often now.

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        was a pitiful creature enslaved by a bad guy who dies saving the main characters

        Also explains why we love Anakin/Vader.

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      As someone who read 4 HP books back in 2001-2 and only saw the first 2 movies, I was deeply annoyed by that goblin. Maybe I didn’t see “the good part” of the character?

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        My wife cried when Dobby died. I couldn’t have cared less, thing showed up for like 10 seconds, pulled a Deus Ex Machina and died. Congrats, you served your purpose random Red Shirt.

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        I am 58. I’ve read War and Peace, Ulysses, LOTR and the Harry Potter series and that’s fine because I’m not an insecure child.

        PS fuck JKR.

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          Are we talking about all the people who’ve been Star Wars fans during the nearly 50 years that it’s existed, or the people who are still fans in 2026? I’d agree that Star Wars’ current fanbase is made up of insecure children, since everyone else checked out long ago.

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          Star Wars fans at their worse are more like adult teenagers. The types that made it their whole personality.

          When you tell a HP fan that they shouldn’t give Rowling money, they whine like a spoiled child having their candy taken away.

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          They are both children, the adults of which should feel ashamed for liking such basic crap

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            I happen to think you should feel ashamed for judging what people harmlessly enjoy. Guess we each have our pet peeves.

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              Harry Potter is the cash cow intellectual property of a billionaire who’s made it her life’s goal to eradicate trans women.

              If you’re an HP fan and think it’s harmless, you’re showing the world exactly what kind of person you are.

              I am not ashamed to judge you for your shitty morals and lack of taste.

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                It isn’t harmless and we should be boycotting it. There’s a big difference in saying it sucks because of the author and it sucks because of the content though.

                It’s fun and deeply anchored in nostalgia. Let’s not pretend it isn’t entertaining. I won’t even pirate the new series regardless because of the author’s lunacy, but still.

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      I think one major difference is that Dobby is a character that was introduced quite early in the main run of the books/movies, where as Jar Jar was kind of just shoe-horned into an already bad prequel.

      But I don’t want to imagine a world were Jar Jar was part of the OT.

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      Dobbie was perceived by kids aging into adults.

      JarJar was perceived by adults from the start.

      Probably, kids had more capacity for their bullshit?

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        I was a kid when Jar Jar was new, and I’m still quite fond of the character. To me he’s the best thing about the series (I don’t hold Star Wars in very high regard), so I think you’re on to something.

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            Watto and Nute Gunray weren’t portrayed as buffoons, though. Jar Jar had the double-whammy of not just referencing an ethnicity, but doing so in a gratuitously insulting way.

            (Granted, Watto, being a slaveowner, was certainly not a sympathetic character either, but at least he behaved reasonably enough in the context of the story. A shrewd businessman, but not greedy or duplicitous, you know? At least Lucas stopped short of the really offensive antisemitic tropes.)

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              And Watto didn’t get that much screen time, did he? We establish that Ani and his mom are slaves, the racially stereotyped slave owner is a piece of shit, they buy out the slave padawan, and fuck off, right? How much mind space does Watto deserve?

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        As a european i have no idea what he is supposed to be a caricature of. Vaguely referencing tribalism?

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          Rastafari. Lucas has a bad habit of including a little casual racism in a lot of his works. Less a matter of being hateful and more a matter of being old and out of touch with certain matters.

          There’s also “Small Round” and the Indian banquet from Temple of Doom and the Jewish stereotype Watto from episode 1.

          I also don’t buy that as being the difference between the two. Doby was from a slave race and treated as weird for not wanting to be a slave. That’s way worse than what Lucas did.

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            Rastafari. Lucas has a bad habit of including a little casual racism in a lot of his works. Less a matter of because hateful and more a matter of being old and out of touch with certain matters.

            I feel like it was just because he was trying to make them sound exotic/foreign/alien and wasn’t imaginative enough to make up accents from scratch.

            There’s also “Small Round” and the Indian banquet from Temple of Doom and the Jewish stereotype Watto from episode 1.

            There’s also the hyper-Japanese Nute Gunray from the same movie. Lucas was pretty equal-opportunity in his cultural appropriation, LOL!

            I also don’t buy that as being the difference between the two. Doby was from a slave race and treated as weird for not wanting to be a slave. That’s way worse than what Lucas did.

            Yeah, but that made Dobby a more sympathetic character. There was nothing like that for Jar Jar (especially since the only people that treated him badly were other Gungans, and it was earned). Dobby was oppressed and brainwashed; Jar Jar was just [very convincingly pretending to be] a clumsy oaf with a stereoptyical accent, which basically just makes him an insult to that ethnicity.

            Also, keep in mind we’re talking about how people feel about the characters themselves, not how people feel about the creators’ purpose for writing them that way. So yeah, 100% agree that Rowling was way more problematic than Lucas, but that doesn’t mean Dobby was more problematic than Jar Jar.

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        First time I’m hearing that. Anyway, I hated him way before he was racist!

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      I couldn’t stand Dobby. Didn’t shed a tear when he died. Fred, on the other hand…

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      Harry Potter fans aren’t necessarily readers. Harry Potter succeeded because a media empire was built with it, not because it was a good story that spawned a lot of readers.

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        The books (especially the first) were one of the biggest best sellers of all time and an international success long before there were movies or any “media empire”, saying it didn’t spawn a lot readers is just … dumb.

        I’m pretty sure a lot more people have read the books than thre is Harry Potter fans these days, simply because most people eventually grow out of it.

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          Reading one book, or a single series of books doesn’t make you a reader. I wouldn’t claim to be a plumber just because I’ve fixed my sink a handful of times.

          The idea that Harry Potter spawned a “generation of readers” is entirely manufactured by its publishers, there’s no data backing that claim up..

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            Nobody said it was a revolution for reading or literacy, but just by sheer number the book still has still likely spawned more readers than any other books in recent decades.

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            I never read books as a kid for fun, until the 7th book came out when I was in high school. I read them all and never stopped.

            HP definitely was one of the most commonly read books by most of my peers, and I’m afraid kids would have read much less without them (in my generation, before the movies were made)

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              I’m not saying that no one got into reading because of Harry Potter, I’m saying that it’s not the spark of a reading boom, like you often see. This survey shows an ongoing decline in reading, which Harry Potter did nothing to budge.

              It’s great that some people got into reading because of a mediocre fantasy series about a rich trust fund baby’s journey to become a cop, but they’re outliers and again, fixing a sink does not a plumber make.

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        The first few books had zero merchandise because Rowling was against it. I know, talk about a change of heart…

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    y’all i was a mega harry potter fan growing up and even i think this was pathetic; READ ANOTHER BOOK

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      I’m starting to think there’s a correlation between cults and the inability to read more than one book…

      Although in saying that, most Christians I’ve met haven’t actually read their book so that theory falls through pretty quickly. Nevermind!

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        chris colfers the land of stories is amazing too!

        and jessica spotswood’s cahill witch chronicles

        they’re some of my favourites

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      I was about to say, I read all the books as they were releasing. This is still dumb as fuck and the fans who agitated for it should feel ashamed.

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    I was dragged along to see this by my kids. Having never seen the movies or read the book, I was expecting something substantially more than the pile of rocks with some old socks.