• deHaga@feddit.uk
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    16 hours ago

    There are more and the road is long, but it is the right direction.

    Doubt. Every attempt in history to centralise power in Europe has failed

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        12 hours ago

        If it ends up with a president then it’s fucked. Single point of failure. A honeycomb structure of separate cells is much stronger and harder to take over, unlike a blob

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      16 hours ago

      Which attempts have been similar to the EU, and not just conquests? The closest I can think of is maybe the Habsburg dynasty, and I think we can agree that that had its own unique issues going on

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        15 hours ago

        Napoleon is the closest. A lot of the legal, judicial, and administrative civil code remains today.

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          15 hours ago

          In what fucking world was Napoleon’s attempt not a series of conquests?

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                  7 hours ago

                  That’s an interesting comparison I hadn’t considered, but isn’t it more like the current EU than the hypothetical federalised EU under discussion?

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                13 hours ago

                There has. The European Communities and the EEC. Neither were attempts to create a federation like US, China or Russia…

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                  Mate the EEC was one of the European Communities, and it ended because it became part of the EU. That’s not a separate attempt. That’s the same one.

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                    13 hours ago

                    Lol no. The treaties of Maastricht, Nice and Lisbon turned a trade bloc into a political one.

                    That’s centralising power, and it always fails.