ITT: people who have so much as seen a farm in real life, and city kids on.ml accounts that think you can just stand in a field and yell “Tomato! Tomato! Tomato!” and get free food, but the guy from Monopoly somehow undoes it using magic.
At least in the US that’d probably get you a bombing of some sort.
They are called farms and require serious hard work to maintain.
The reality is not always as easy as the idea.
As a small farm owner(essentially part time), came here to say this.
Orchards are easier.
I think the term is market garden. Intensive growing on small plots
Because you have no idea of the scale of food that goes through your store to feed your town and none of it will actually be cheaper. And that’s ignoring you’ll face a much smaller selection of food in the winter.
Turns out farming to survive is incredibly difficult.
Free food? That’s communism! That will cripple a billionaire income!
Jokes apart, have you done gardening at scale? That requires massive labour or very expensive machinery, expertise, and resources like land and water.
At least on the scale to feed a significant number of people.
Your own garden can produce some stuff, but far from what would undercut retail stores business. Unless you scale it, it just stays that way.
Yeah, might be fun and also a good community project, but not more.
this is not a stupid question but this is the level of stupidity you’re average commie actually believes
Most people don’t understand the scale nor the difference in land production capabilities. An acre doesn’t always produce an acre of food.
I believe it’s just ignorance. And understandable also… Today’s people really think food grows in the supermarkets.
And its not their fault, read caves of steel from Isaac Asimov…
I am that old.
I really don’t understand why people are so quick to dismiss community gardens as nothing more than a hobby. There’s actually quite a bit of research showing just how much food you can grow in relatively small spaces.
A 2022 review of 200 studies found that urban agriculture can produce as much, and sometimes considerably more, per square metre than conventional farming. There’s also research from Sheffield showing that urban growing could potentially cover more than half of the city’s fruit and vegetable needs.
And that’s without really getting into what’s possible with greenhouses, hydroponics, vertical growing or simply preserving what you harvest.
Of course you’re not going to replace an entire supermarket with a few vegetable beds, but why is that even the standard we’re using? If a community can grow a meaningful part of its own food and spend less on groceries, isn’t that already a pretty good reason to do it?
I find it strange how quickly people jump from “it can’t solve everything” to “it’s completely pointless.”
Sources:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9540868/
Not dismissing it, just want to tell OP it is hard work and takes a lot of time!
So much of the grocery store is just overprocessed junk anyway, it’s ok to let doritos die.
Dorito-trees for you and meee.
I mean, it DOES happen. A few of us in our area garden, have chickens, bees or make baked goods. We typically plan out what everyone is going to produce and how much we need and share. You’d be surprised how much you can grow on a relatively small plot. We used to be in the might of town on a standard plat, and had about 1000 square feet of vegetable garden, bee hives, half dozen chickens and a bunch of fruit trees. We produced about 80% of the produce for our family of 7. Now we’re in the country and have doubled those numbers, plus added goats and pigs. There is a substantial set up cost, and it’s hard to do as a renter, but definitely possible.
Back in uni I had some teachers that had actually done a scientific study on the possibilities of urban food growing, and the results were that it was unsuitable for anything more that just a recreational activity.
Was it in the USA? Proving that in Europe would be very fun, and actually I would really like to read the study itself!
Spain.
I’ve been trying to find it but no luck for now. I will quote again if I find it!
Aren’t there allotment gardens in the cities Spain?
Yes! We have some of them. But the area and capabilities of the terrain doesn’t give nearly enough for actual food purposes.
You can have a few good tomatoes harvest, but nothing that could actually sustain people.
Even if those cultivating them still need to buy some other food, doesn’t it conribute to reduce their food cost?
Here many of them produce more than their family can eat, but face the problem that each type of vegetable tend to arrive at maturity at the same time. The usual trick they use is to be a community, sharing and receiving according to the quantity produced. I had friends into such, and they were eating some of their (or their communities’) production daily ; off course still buying non-vegetable food but it was not just a leisure.
For the few people being able to have access to those lot gardens, maybe.
The big thing is when you run the numbers.
The minimum amount of lang needed to feed a person in optimal conditions is around 1000m².
In a city like Madrid each person has available around 100m² and in that space it goes all the housing, public spaces, services, streets, etc.
How much space could be taken from everything else to create urban farming land? It’s really hard to think that it wouls be enough to even amount for more than a few percent points of what it’s needed.
And we have to take into account that all urban space dedicates to farm won’t be usable for anything else. When you try to universalize it the numbers are just really hard to reconcile.
Community gardens are not at all intended to be the only source of food, it allows a fixed labor cost from a family to produce the greens and veggies that would otherwise have to be purchased ‘fresh’ from the store. That’s it. So you can take someone who is under or unemployed and turn that unpaid time into a replacement for an otherwise expensive food for the family.
A quarter acre seems super low for subsistence farming.
This, yes, if you want to feed the whole town from inside production, the try isn’t reasonable. I have heared London has a company doing soilless agriculture inspired by canabis factories… I am not sure how it went.
Yet if you take it at an individual level, being part of a 100m2 community (each have their own lot) can be interesting, if well organized.
If everyone grew a few things in their yard Ms and traded with neighbors things would improve
You do know community gardens exist, yes? Lots of people contribute a few hours of labour and or funds for a share of the produce. Some cities shut them down with zoning laws or bury them in red tape, but plenty don’t. It’s usually seen as a liberal plot and attacked by conservatives, but they’re quite nice in places where they don’t burn you as a witch for growing things as a community.
That would last all of a day if you tried to eat a full 2kcals a day 🙄
That’s a hobby. Not a food source capable of feeding a population.
You don’t use the garden to grow all the food you’re going to eat, you buy bulk goods like rice and beans, pasta, etc that you can get for low cost and then replace the greens and veggies a healthy person would get at the store with food from the ground which has a fixed labor cost instead of a ballooning dollar cost.
This. Lots of useful vegetables aren’t even bulk producible because of natural properties that make them hard to grow in large industrial scales. It’s the micro-nutrients and supplementary food content that a community garden produces, not your major staples. You’re not growing a corn field in metro Brooklyn, that’s not the point. But it doesn’t actually take much effort to add some locally grown lettuce to your diet from a community garden instead of shipping it all the way from California, and it reduces demand therefore lowering prices for everyone else to do so.
People think of veg as something with a timer that counts down; you buy it as fresh as it’s going to be and then you have to eat it before it turns into slime.
In a garden the timer is running the other way; every day the food gets fresher and better and bigger, and if you’re planting at the same rate you’re eating the garden becomes a daily food pipeline.
Be aware; gardening is a gateway to canning, because that’s how I keep eating my garden in December
{looks at pressure cooker and mason jars} It’s too late. I’ve already been taken.
I’ve seen some fun community greenhouse projects too that can operate year round. There are options if there’s sufficient interest.
By “undercut” do you mean these communities would sell their own produce? Local farmers can sell to decent grocery stores and co-ops.
But either way: massive gardens would require massive amounts of labor. If you wish to reduce labor, you need machinery, which is expensive, and organized fields, which requires some management and oversight. And crop management. And so on. I don’t think any small-scale farm can “undercut” a massive conglomerate that produces enough potatoes a year to fill Ohio three layers deep. (Exagerrating of course, but you get the idea)
In a broader sense that’s what we’ve done.
Check what COOP is in Italy.
Well, who’s gonna care for the plants and harvest all the food?
There is no point in undercutting retail prices when it means I have to work more.
might be very difficult, as you need significant more sources the larger the garden is, plus it might as well be a FARM at that point. you start have to think about pests, diseases, weeds, and other things. because the larger your gareden is the more pests, diseases it attracts.
