If you are doing limited run shows with short season with big names and big money AND you don’t film back to back then wtf are you doing.
They used to knock out 24 episodes a season and now these studios take 3 years to do 11 episodes. Then some new exec comes in and cancels the show after 2 seasons which took 4 years for some reason.
I like the shorter seasons. I like less filler. Just pick up the pace.
For most shows they only do the first season in case it’s cancelled. But we’re talking about the new show by the Breaking Bad guy… You know he wasn’t going to get cancelled. There’s no reason for it take this long.
When someone makes a great work like this, I say let them do it on their terms. If season two sucks then your complaints were warranted. If not, they aren’t imo.
Edit: also how are comparing sitcoms to shows like this which are clearly far higher budget and overall effort in general?
Back in the day, there were some big budget shows like LOST and Heroes which did have ~20 episode seasons with only a few months in between seasons. After the 2007 writers strike and the rise of streaming, that seemed to stop and we got the 8-10 episode seasons with multi year gaps in between.
Lost and Heroes were not as big-budget as you think. Much of the money was spent on doing things quicker, as they only had 5-7 working days to shoot each episode. This meant simpler writing, simpler direction, simpler sets and very samey episodes. The cast and crew were simply fighting to get something in the can, regardless of quality.
Never watched Heroes, but Lost had a pretty noname cast aside from the one hobbit and maybe the guy who played Linus. OK, also Michelle Rodriguez of course but she didn’t last on the show a long time if I remember correctly? And Daniel Dae Kim had a bunch of roles before it but they were all side characters.
Most of the main cast that had to be there nearly every day of shooting consisted of folks who didn’t have to put off other major roles to do it.
And it was a season a year, wdym only a few months between seasons?
What I meant about a few months between seasons was that because there were 20 weekly episodes, the show would be on for about half of the year, and then the hiatus between seasons was only a few months. For example, the Season 2 finale of LOST was on May 24, 2006 and the Season 3 premiere was on October 4, 2006.
Since Game Of Thrones did it’s 10 episode seasons really. They pushed the budget up and the episode counts down and the industry went “Wait! What? You can do that?”
I watched like 20 minutes of Lost and that was more than enough. That show is known for being confusing and incomprehensible and imo thought it was being deep but wasn’t. Heroes also seems much inferior in quality to a show like Pluribus.
Dark ran three seasons 2017-2020 and was excellent. I think maybe what is happening is that shows are greenlit on an interesting premise and an unwritten ending.
it would never work with sci-fi shows, they need more than 10. i think its the streaming service to string people along so they subscribe longer,+ to save money,.
also the long hiatus between seasons causes the same thing too, but somewhat worst, because actors, crews are not getting paid. its the executive being stingy with cost.
Some do, like Slow Horses. And a lot of basic cable shows. Unions aren’t keen as it cheats their members out of seasonal pay bumps.
The other danger is when you then shoot two seasons without the benefit of audience reaction to guide the development of the second season, like the recent iterationof Doctor Who.
If you are doing limited run shows with short season with big names and big money AND you don’t film back to back then wtf are you doing.
They used to knock out 24 episodes a season and now these studios take 3 years to do 11 episodes. Then some new exec comes in and cancels the show after 2 seasons which took 4 years for some reason.
I like the shorter seasons. I like less filler. Just pick up the pace.
For most shows they only do the first season in case it’s cancelled. But we’re talking about the new show by the Breaking Bad guy… You know he wasn’t going to get cancelled. There’s no reason for it take this long.
His previous series was cancelled after 9 episodes…
What show was that?
Battle Creek
Interesting. I’ve never even heard of it lol
Exactly
No
Filler episodes helped a lot to deepen characters. In star trek, some of the best episodes were fillers
Edit: fixed typo
This.
By its name, filler episodes are considered less relevant, but they have more purpose than just increasing the episode counter.
They also allow to explore topics, situations and plots that is not feasible in the main story branch.
Filler episodes are also commonly used as opportunities for new directors to gain experience, even allowing cast members to test the waters.
And the most important, allowing to breathe between heavy and intense main plot episodes.
When someone makes a great work like this, I say let them do it on their terms. If season two sucks then your complaints were warranted. If not, they aren’t imo.
Edit: also how are comparing sitcoms to shows like this which are clearly far higher budget and overall effort in general?
Back in the day, there were some big budget shows like LOST and Heroes which did have ~20 episode seasons with only a few months in between seasons. After the 2007 writers strike and the rise of streaming, that seemed to stop and we got the 8-10 episode seasons with multi year gaps in between.
So after the writers protested against horrible work conditions, they got better work conditions, is what you’re saying. That’s a bad thing how?
Supernatural had 23 episodes per season, and only had 3 month delay per season. Shows now have 10 episodes and take years to make is bullshit.
Lost and Heroes were not as big-budget as you think. Much of the money was spent on doing things quicker, as they only had 5-7 working days to shoot each episode. This meant simpler writing, simpler direction, simpler sets and very samey episodes. The cast and crew were simply fighting to get something in the can, regardless of quality.
The Lost pilot was the most expensive episode of TV ever, at the time IIRC.
That doesn’t mean the whole show was expensive though. I guess wandering around forests in Hawaii isn’t that costly.
Once they bought a scrap plane, built sets and exteriors, ongoing costs were not huge.
Never watched Heroes, but Lost had a pretty noname cast aside from the one hobbit and maybe the guy who played Linus. OK, also Michelle Rodriguez of course but she didn’t last on the show a long time if I remember correctly? And Daniel Dae Kim had a bunch of roles before it but they were all side characters.
Most of the main cast that had to be there nearly every day of shooting consisted of folks who didn’t have to put off other major roles to do it.
And it was a season a year, wdym only a few months between seasons?
What I meant about a few months between seasons was that because there were 20 weekly episodes, the show would be on for about half of the year, and then the hiatus between seasons was only a few months. For example, the Season 2 finale of LOST was on May 24, 2006 and the Season 3 premiere was on October 4, 2006.
Halfway through LOST, the show runners cut the episode count in half, because they didn’t like all the filler they had to include in season 3.
Since Game Of Thrones did it’s 10 episode seasons really. They pushed the budget up and the episode counts down and the industry went “Wait! What? You can do that?”
I watched like 20 minutes of Lost and that was more than enough. That show is known for being confusing and incomprehensible and imo thought it was being deep but wasn’t. Heroes also seems much inferior in quality to a show like Pluribus.
They do this with Slow Horses. One stand alone season every year amd the last episode invludes preview scenes of the next season.
Slow Horses is bonkers, the first season premiered in 2022 and they are currently filming season 8 lol
I believe they film two at a time.
the long hiatuses between shows, is what makes streaming kinda unattractive. like 2-3 years.
Human cost? Filming for 16 hour days 6 days a week impacts actors and crews lives.
Most long running TV shows cite this as the reason for losing stars - e.g. Mulder and Scully leaving the X Files.
Understandable. Which is why I like the 10 episode seasons. But if you telling me they can’t do 10 a year. Cmon
I guess people forgot how many shitty episodes were made in 20 episode seasons.
Good writing and filming takes time. If they rushed three quick seasons you guys would whine about the quality.
Show me one “streamee” show as rewatchable as any top ten 20 episode a season syndicated show.
Pick and top ten syndicated show and seelct eight to ten episodes a season that would leave it as well off and respected as it is currently.
Those duds were lost to the vibe.
You say this like episodes in 10 episode seasons never miss and there are plenty that have shit writing.
There are only six episodes in game of thrones final season
Dark ran three seasons 2017-2020 and was excellent. I think maybe what is happening is that shows are greenlit on an interesting premise and an unwritten ending.
it would never work with sci-fi shows, they need more than 10. i think its the streaming service to string people along so they subscribe longer,+ to save money,.
Ok well Pluribus season 1 is 9 episodes so……
also the long hiatus between seasons causes the same thing too, but somewhat worst, because actors, crews are not getting paid. its the executive being stingy with cost.
Can’t understand why they don’t do this. Surely that would make the whole thing cheaper.
Some do, like Slow Horses. And a lot of basic cable shows. Unions aren’t keen as it cheats their members out of seasonal pay bumps.
The other danger is when you then shoot two seasons without the benefit of audience reaction to guide the development of the second season, like the recent iterationof Doctor Who.
That’s nice for you. I liked character building, personally, so I miss the 26 episode seasons.
There’s a reason why Michelin star restaurants are not drive thrus.
Three years between seasons pushes that metaphor into irrelevance. Actors are a decade older by season 3, it’s depressing to watch.
Michelin chefs have franchises. If it was so great they would know the story and have it ready to make.
You complain here but won’t not watch it… See the problem?
The irony is not lost