This guy sounds like a Mini Musk and I hate Musk.
Never used them because their software wasn’t open source, and thus meant I would be unable to switch to another provider. Seems I made the right choice.
what do u reccommend guys
Tutamail is great for mails
Everyone go vote at their feedback website. There are several posts in the General Suggestions section that suggest Andy Yen step down. Mark them as critical.
He’s literally why I never signed uo with Proton. Bullett dodged.
Same, and a got a lot of downvote for saying I didn’t trust them. Custom domain + 1Tb nextcloud is my jam and really not that expensive.
Is it selfhosted
Same here. I am really getting tired of managing my exim4 setup, but since he made the trump comments I didn’t trust him or proton by extension.
I am, once again, offering to take over as CEO of Proton.
My work focuses on nonprofit-stakeholder-government relations. Specifically how organizations mediate between state agencies and stakeholders. No agenda beyond aligning mission, vision, and values, and keeping it that way.
Reach out if you prefer that to help guide Proton somewhere other than the trash bin of distrust.
Ok it is yours good luck
It’s a bit surprising how many CEO’s express disdain for their users and employees.
When employees are reduced to an “input resource” number on a spreadsheet, and they sit insulated from user complaints, and likely surround themselves with sycophants, I suppose it’s inevitable.
Power corrupts, you can see it all around us once you start looking.
Its a great metric for a corporate job. Still into how they decide what features are built for their products, what gets priority. Best places I worked at always involved customer feedback in some way. Arrogant line go up places always chat about looking at competitors and feeling out the market.
Turns out when you build things customers want, they keep being customers. Who woulda thunk.
Power corrupts, you can see it all around us once you start looking.
Yes, but also the corporate world has a nasty tendency to promote psychopaths to CEO positions because they think a lack of humility is the same as competence.
It’s not just in the corporate world. Trump is a good example. He’s a complete douchebag and obviously has no clue about anything, but he somehow makes up for it with his extreme self-confidence.
The world is extremely complex, so it’s understandable that posers who claim to have figured it out are popular. I think many people even know that the guy they’re following is full of shit, but they can’t accept that they are victims of forces they don’t control or even understand, so they lie to themselves to at least feel a little bit of security.
it’s a bit surprising how many CEO’s express disdain for their users and employees.
Not surprising one bit if you understand how Capitalism works. We are just tools of the bourgeoisie.
It should be common knowledge but marketing and legal teams spend lots of money and time protecting them.
You mean PR department. Marketing department does market research and ads
PR department is propaganda department. When propaganda earned a negative reputation, Edward Bernays, the same person who wrote the book that coined the term Propaganda coined the term PR to replace it in an American corporate context.
In a lot of companies those roles overlap.
Those who’ve never known hunger, hate to share even a morsel or crumb.
The only reason I haven’t cancelled yet is because I moved my family, including my parents, onto a family plan with them, and that’s going to be a lot of work to move everyone again.
But this shit fucking sucks. I recommended this product to my loved ones because it’s supposed to be trustworthy and secure, and now I find out it’s neither of those things.
If you’re a Proton customer right now and not in a position to simply cancel your account, submit a support ticket laying out your concerns. I got a detailed and lengthy response back within a day (one that was clearly not a form letter either, it directly addressed all the points I raised). Flooding their support channels will make it clear that they are in some serious shit here.
Write to the Proton Foundation too. Demand that Yen be removed from the board and the company, and that serious changes be made to the leadership at Proton to ensure this never happens again.
I’m moving off of proton due to this and it’s just me. It’s still difficult finding a better solution. Good luck.
I’d recommend either Fastmail, Posteo or Mailfence for email, Cryptpad for Drive, Keepass for Vault, NymVPN for VPN, and literally any FOSS calendar app for calendar.
I moved to mailbox.org for mail and vaultwarden and Obscura for pass and vpn.
The advice I use for myself is always assume a service will either turn shitty enough that you need to leave, or just shut down due to some reason, so I try and only use services that make it easy to move away from.
So instead of Proton or Tuta, use a normal email provider that provides IMAP and supports a custom domain name. There are good ones around for privacy and features like Mailbox.org or similar.
A domain is ~$12/year and ensures you (hopefully) never need to change a bunch of emails on accounts again even if moving to a different email provider.
That’s great advice, when you don’t have to explain to your elderly parents why you need to migrate their email for the second time in six months.
How has the board not fired him over this shit show yet
It didn’t affect them economically
It will.
He’s majority share holder.
If true, him stepping down won’t change a thing.
Guilty.
And I made sure they knew precisely why.
Checking privacytools.io, I see they have choices that aren’t great alternatives to Proton’s ecosystem. For example, NordVPN (not a great product) and Mullvad (didn’t the owner contribute to a Swedish nazi party?)
So…is there a curated set of recommendations to replace all Proton products?
I’d recommend either Fastmail, Posteo or Mailfence for email, Cryptpad for Drive, Keepass for Vault, NymVPN for VPN, and literally any FOSS calendar app for calendar.
A) Thank you kind internet person. B) That’s quite the username.
I suspected my distrust of Proton would eventually prove right. Too bad.
God dammit… this totally validates my procrastination in signing up.
Im pretty buggered here, there’s no other VPN that does two things I need, per app routing and port forwarding. There’s lots that do the former and a few that do the latter, Proton is the only one that does both.
Correct me if my information is out of date, please.
Private internet access.
Their image is weird because they have the less SEO friendly name ever and all their promotion is made with AI nowadays. It wasn’t a few years back and they’ve been around for a while. But they do both per app routing and port forwarding.
Also, encryption, volatile storage, privacy conscious, a good server spread, etc.
PIA is developed and operated by Israeli devs fwiw [0]. They were acquired in 2019 and a lot of people cancelled/moved on then because Kape has a horrible reputation.
Good to know. Had no idea.
I’ve been using them for almost a decade. They’re cheap AF and serviceable.
Yet another case of “you either die the hero, or you live long enough to become the villain”
Except the lifespan for the former seems to be about 6 months :)
Aparently it should have been, either you die a hero or live long enough for people to find out you were always the villian :)
