Because Windows 11 shouldn’t have been made in the first place, I can’t find one reason why they couldn’t just kept updating 10.
Beside greed, forcing people to use fully integrated AI. Cuz they know damn well that 90% of us will disable that shit like we did One Drive.
Funny thing is I still don’t know why they needed a new version of Windows for that, I mean 10 was already bloat they could have just shoved AI into it, as in the TPM 2.0 they could have just made a new 25H(whatever the fuck) version where you’d need to enable that on the motherboard.
Is it even being “adopted”?
Win2k Pro was the last version of Windows that was actually any good!
Considering all of the comments saying that a big part of this is people not wanting to buy new computers and choosing linux because it will run on their old machine, I’d like to add insult to injury and say I built a new PC before Oct and windows was never even a consideration.
And despite it being my first Linux install I planned to play games on, everything went smoothly and I’d even say the “setting up the PC to my preference instead of the defaults” step was better because there wasn’t a “figure out how to disable the shit ms really wants you to run for them” substep, or a “figure out what new shit ms added that I’ll want to disable” discovery mode that, with win 10, lasted most of the time I was using it and included “figure out if a recent update reset settings to annoying defaults”.
I bet this is why people are so vocal about switching to linux whenever there’s another complaint about ms. It went way better than expected, like I was about to do something that would cause ongoing pain and frustration to get away from something even worse, but there’s been nothing at all that has made me miss windows.
Yeah. I built my PC two years back and Linux was the main idea for it. I’d used Linux on and off since 2007, and it’s honestly been fine this entire time, with WINE and such only improving over time. I remember how baffled I was back in 2007 when I didn’t have to install any drivers myself, everything just worked out of the box, even fucking printers.
This is the time of Windows Vista, where nothing worked.
Yeah, I’ve got a logitech mouse but didn’t want logitech’s software on my machine, so I just used the mouse by plugging it in. Which worked, but I had no way of knowing the battery level until the mouse itself started blinking low power.
When I installed fedora, I was confused a bit because it had a system tray icon saying the battery was charging. I was thinking it thought it was a laptop until I realize it had just picked up the battery information from my mouse. A feature I had written off under windows just worked without me even considering it or needing to install software that was partly about using my hardware and partially about advertising more ways to get my money.
This article is trash, it mentions existing windows 10 features in windows 11 like it’s a groundbreaking new technology.
Virtual desktops and clipboard manager? Cmon man we’ve been having that for years now
having that for years now
since abaout the late 90’s to early 00’s. KDE 1 released with virtual desktops, and from what I can tell, Klipper either released with it, or a few years later
Blows my mind seeing people look on windows 10 as some kind of last bastion, apparently not realizing that was Windows 7 at best.
10 is the one where they fucked up the UX beyond repair, made everything slow and added insane amounts of spying. If you willingly switched to 10 then don’t pretend like 11 is a bridge too far now.
I still can’t grasp that Microsoft, a $3.6 trillion company, developed a new settings interface but failed to migrate all settings to it, forcing users to use both. Even I know that’s day one UX shite and I’m quite stupid.
What’s hilarious is that this started with Win10 so its been an issue for over a decade now and two major revisions at least (possibly started on Win8).
It did start on win8
10 is the one where they fucked up the UX beyond repair
Was it? I gave up on 8 because of the UI, downgraded back to 7 and that was my last Windows machine. Was 10 worse?
I didn’t willingly switch to 10, though, that was my only choice
It took me ages today to work out how to map a drive letter because they’ve changed where the menu button is. You used to be able to do it from the taskbar at the top, but now it’s hidden in a right click menu in a different part of the file browser to where it used to be. I don’t understand the point of changes like that, by all means add more options but keep the old ones around for consistency.
Managing printers in 11 is the worst. The sad part is that the old-style devices and printers menu is still in the OS, you just have to dig for it a bit, and it works 1000x better.
I was on Windows 7 until April of 2021, when I was taking a certification exam remotely, and didn’t find out that the software they used for it didn’t work on 7 until after I had paid the registration fee. Windows 10 was useable enough, but I never thought it was preferable over 7. Anyway, I’m on Bazzite now.
People said they will never upgrade from 7 to 10, and now they are saying they will never upgrade from 10 to 11
^ This, I had to be dragged kicking and screaming from 7 to 10, and now looking forward to another 3 years of Win10 security updates, while fervently praying that Adobe and my online games add Linux support during that time >_>
Just ditch those games.not worth it
Ah yes the classic purist arguement.
If the applications I want to use don’t support Linux then apparently that’s their problem. I wish I didn’t have to live in the real world, but unfortunately I can’t pay my mortgage in moral righteousness. If I can’t use the programs I need to use my job, because I’ve decided to switch to an operating system that they don’t support, I’m the one that’s going to suffer.
So no you can’t just ditch applications that don’t have Linux support.
In the real world you have to dual boot and that’s a pain in the arse because it means Microsoft are still going to be getting some money from me.
Maybe not worth it for you, but I’m enjoying them too much to ditch them 🤷
My company is still on windows 10 cause we’re broke af. We’re so screwed
Switch to Linux Mint, KDE, or Pop OS Cosmic
Then once comfortable get your company to switch to it
The challenge is those 20 years old Windows 3.1 software apps they still use
I’m guessing if they’re too broke to switch their tech stack to Windows 11, a mostly similar OS to 10, the costs to switch to an entirely new paradigm is completely out of the question.
We’ve been switching over to Windows 11 and it’s broken so many of our old applications.
We have stuff that’s like 40 years old and it just won’t tolerate Windows 11 so all those programs have to be run in a virtual environment. They were fine with Windows 10 so I’ve no idea what about Windows 11 they don’t like. I wouldn’t mind so much if there was an obvious advantage to Windows 11 but therr literally isn’t, there’s not a single feature in Windows 11 that would help us do business better.
But I think Windows 11 is on track to be the crap version, so Windows 12 will hopefully be better although given the current direction Microsoft moving that might not be the case, and they may have finally broken the crap then good cycle.
Windows 12 will be a realtime AI fever dream, generated as the user uses it.
This is true. Rumours I’ve heard is that all your data will just be in one big blob, and every application is just an AI agent sorting and displaying the info for you.
So you could open a word document in Excel and it would format the info as a table, or you can open a PowerPoint in Visio and it would make it into a workflow chart. Same data, just presented differently by AI “wrappers”.
Remember when Microsoft said windows 10 was going to be the last major windows version and they were just going to support it forever with rolling updates, and then later said they never said that.
Pepperidge farm remembers.
Windows 12? 🤣
micro$oft is getting desperate though
https://kotaku.com/windows-11-pro-upgrades-going-for-pocket-change-for-black-friday-2000647371
Is that site just an ads disguised as articles site now? Like it’s not just news about the sale, it’s actively trying to sell win 11 (and not doing a great job with its list of “I thought it already did that”, “underwhelming feature”, “no, I still don’t fucking want onedrive; I no longer trust you with my own files on my computer, let alone saving everything on yours”.)
I couldn’t be happier, ditching Windows for Linux.
It’s almost like “you have to buy a new laptop to install it and help train our AI on your private documents” is somehow not convincing enough. Maybe if they also removed local accounts and forced you to have an online MS account? Nah scratch that, it would be stupid
The biggest selling points of Windows these days is familiarity, backwards compatibility, and gaming.
And the only one of those not under active threat by someone is the backwards compatibility. Which means there is an active shelf life on the viability of Windows as a big money maker on the consumer desktop/laptop. And once it starts to falter in that market then the enterprise will start to follow.
To be clear, I’m not ‘not adopting’ - I’m actively boycotting that shit. The whole TOM thing was annoying enough, but everything else surrounding it has proven to me that Microsoft cannot be trusted with that level of access to MY hardware.
So yeah, I’m going to put Linux on my PC and ultimately back to Mac full time, I imagine.
I really need to upgrade my setup, but I don’t really feel like selling one of my kidneys so I can afford 8 gigabytes of RAM (it’s not a good kidney so I’m being realistic).
Anyway my current system has windows 11 on it anyway so I might as well just keep using that but as soon as I have the option to leave I’m going to.
I need to keep windows 11 around for work but as soon as I can build a system that can hold to two whole operating systems at a time I’m going to go over to dual booting. Unless the steam machine turns out to be cheaper than anyone’s realistically expecting, in which case I might just go that route. The current RAM prices mean that’s probably unlikely.
Linux for desktop. MacBook Air for my laptop, only because of Microsoft Office. Bought a cheap Office for Mac 2021 licence. Mac is also much better than Windows 11 too: responsive, Fast wake/sleep, no 20 minute reboots with mystery updates, no registry, no Powershell. If you can avoid Office documents and run an AMD GPU, anyone should be golden on Linux. NVidia is fine if you are comfortable with command line. Not really sure what Windows has going for it except inertia, but if your coasting, you are going downhill…
Windows has the enterprise. What Fortune 500 company uses Linux on the desktop?
Even all the design agencies use Macs, no one in the business world uses Linux. Except for servers obviously.
It’s a burning platform, and the future isn’t bright. IT and security would love to get rid of Windows desktops, they are nightmare to manage and secure. Problem is legacy.
But who still uses native Windows Apps other than Office? Legacy apps are out there, but also being migrated to low code browser apps. Even Office is an web app and Microsoft has been converting their ‘native’ apps into browser containers. Point is that Almost everything runs on a web browser and that is what kids have been using in schools for nearly 10 years. To date, ChromeOS is widely used in some roles (contact center, some back office). Developers, graphics, video, marketing, executives, along with most sales often use Mac, and nearly every enterprise uses both Android and IPhone /iPad OS.
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I have seen a move away from office products into cloud things like google for years. Not a huge fan of the “cloud” but here we are.
10 had at least SOME good in it, at first i didnt want to move on from 7 but when i finally did it was okay. Everything i have heard about 11 is awful, and i wasnt very pleased with it myself either when i tried it at work, though i was able to mostly ignore it since it was just my work pc.
And now after switching to mint, idea of using 11 is preposterous.
Had to “upgrade” my work laptop to 11 for security support. Nothing about it is better. Almost everything is slower, and many common operations take more steps to complete on 11 vs 10.
Absolute fuckin’ garbage.
I learned to tolerate 10 for my limited uses. Like you, my Windows PC jumped from 7 to 10. When 11 rolled around, the centered start menu was the first thing I noticed and it was an instant wtf moment.
Microsoft needs to be sued to allow for a Linux desktop Excel. Once that happens they would lose like half their market share to Linux.
LibreOffice is good. While people don’t like learning new things, I found it does everything I could want.
I actually switched years ago because I didn’t want to pay for MS Office.
Sure its fine at home. But try getting an entire office to learn new spreadsheet software. They can barely handle when a new version of Excel is released.
i just dont understand hiring requirements. They make posts that require you to be able to do anything and everything, expect everyone still to apply and hire people that barely are able to do the job and can’t handle learning anything new, likely not even due to some inherent weakness in the head but just attitude. And I bet every one of them praises their skills on learning new stuff on the interview. And then they show the door to anyone who dares not to be really good at lying through their teeth at the interview.
Same here. There is a learning curve because, while it does all the same things, sometimes it happens in a slightly different way and the UX is different.
Because 8 was garbage and people got rid of it as soon as possible. 10 was actually good, and 11 was barely a change functionally until they started messing with the ads push, and now they’re shoving LLM bullshit in to justify their exorbitant expenditures on the half functional tech.
Yep. I Kept 7 for as long as possible but had to upgrade so 10 was next. I wouldn’t move to 11 if support continued for 10.
You probably know this, but for others who might not: MS is now allowing some/many/all (???) people to extend the security updates for Win10 for another year free of charge. You have to go into the Windows update area and click a button to accept. At least in the USA, this seems to be a somewhat newly available option, as it was there the last time someone asked me to look at their laptop to see if I could upgrade it to Win11.
. I wouldn’t move to 11 if support continued for 10.
Which is exactly the reason they’re ending support.
If you don’t have a reason to stay, Linux is definitely worth a shot. I moved from 10 to Bazzite in my rig earlier in the year, and it’s been pretty solid.
I have bazzite Linux as dual boot. Few usecases stop me from moving fully over. Nvidia drivers and VR support. And Remote Desktop doesn’t work the way I want it to.
Also for some reason my ryzen system stopped seeing my linux sata drive in bios so can’t boot anymore.
Have you checked your BIOS if CSM is enabled (gets disabled when enabling secure boot iirc)? If your Linux drive has an old partitioning scheme it needs that to show up during boot I think.
I’ll try it. But I don’t see the drive detected in the BIOS so thought it might be more than that.
Also bazzite should have secure boot.
I’ll let you know!
Interesting. I ditched team green years ago and have been running rock solid since. My Nvidia GPU was always the reason I went back to windows. Sorry to hear your ryzen rig stopped, have you looked for a bios update? Might be something simple like that (assuming your disk didn’t shit the bed).
Can’t say I’ve had any rdp issues on Bazzite, what’s it doing?
I can see the disk in windows. It just doesn’t show up in the bios. I’ve been recommended to do a fully CMOS reset by pulling out battery but don’t really have time. It disappeared after a BIOS update :)
As for RDP. I regularly RDP to my windows machine and it auto changes resolution. And then I can log in on the PC itself and it returns to the monitor resolution. So I keep the same session but view it from multiple places.
I can’t get the same on Linux. Either I get my current session which doesn’t resize (stuck at connected monitor resolution). Or it creates a new resizable session which I don’t want because I want to continue what I was doing.
That is definitely odd behavior. Multiple sessions is a server side setting, so your Linux system shouldn’t be able to do that without windows being ok with it. As for the resolution issue, it might be a config issue in your client. Give another client a shot, or see if there’s a way to configure the client to use smart sizing. I can’t recall which app I use on my system, but I can’t say I’ve ever had an issue with scaling between connected and remote connected sessions.
