Regarding politics, uncensored…
…since the US always maintains strike plans for Iran, passivity on part of Trump leads me to conclude that when promising to assist protesters if killing starts, he lied - he had no intent or plan of assisting them. That’s pretty bad.
The naked truth is that Iranian people need weapons, explosives and communication devices. Some amount can be provided by militant underground groups, but those are mostly working in the countryside and mountainous places - outside the Persian speaking central regions. I trust that ordinary smugglers are already working at tenfold speed. A foreign state could do much to help in the short term, but so far, foreign states have been letting the Islamic Republic of Iran uncontrolledly kill its people for 5 days in a row. :(
Propaganda until verified.
They are better positioned to know the situation than you.
Surely they are honest an unbiased too.
Both things can be true.
CBS news is about as reliable as Russia Today. I wonder if we can find any corroborating reports from someone outside the Trump sphere of enshitification.
CBS is a reputable news outlet. If you want higher levels of independence, read the Guardian. They lag behind timewise since they take extra time to verify information.
Iran signals quick trials and executions for protesters in defiance of US warnings
The death toll in Iran has soared as authorities have carried out a brutal crackdown, with 2,571 people killed and more than 18,100 people arrested, according to the US-based Human Rights Activists News Agency (HRNA). Already, the death toll from the two-week protest movement dwarfs any other in Iran since its 1979 revolution.
Protesters said there was a heavy security force on Wednesday as authorities prepared for a mass funeral of 300 security forces and civilians killed in demonstrations.
So, 2571 confirmed deaths, one mass funeral of 300 people in one city.
Hundreds of gunshot eye injuries found in one Iranian hospital amid brutal crackdown on protests
An ophthalmologist in Tehran has documented more than 400 eye injuries from gunshots in a single hospital, as overwhelmed medical staff struggle to cope with the toll of an increasingly violent crackdown on nationwide protests by Iranian authorities.
That’s 400 gunshot eye injuries per one hospital, counted by an eye doctor. Those who got hit in other body parts likely aren’t included. Assuming 5 hospitals per city, that’s 2000 gunshot eye injuries per city. Assuming 180 cities and towns (likely leads to overestimation due to a large number of small towns), we would get 360 000 gunshot eye injuries per Iran. Being cautious, let’s divide it by 10. A cautious estimate of 36 000 gunshot eye injuries per Iran could be warranted.
CBS hasn’t completely lost its credibility on all issues yet, but it’s definitely lost a lot and is rapidly losing it. It was bought out by a right wing billionaire specifically to exert editorial control and the current head of their news was a right wing activist before this position
That said, I do believe their reporting on the violence against protesters in Iran. It’s wholly within the behavior we’ve seen escalating over the past decade
And of course the US wants to jump in so that they can place their dictatorship back in Iran because that is just how the US rolls.
The US is an awful lot late. One can only jump in to assist living people.
They could have acted on Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday and now it’s Wednesday.
The US always has contingency plans for limited strikes against adversaries, and considers Iran an adversary. It could have launched a limited strike (e.g. “to supress government communications”) within 24 hours.
Now that 5 days have passed, each day bringing more death to protesters, I guess Trump’s promise to assist them was a bluff, and if they did let it encourage themselves - they shouldn’t have.
So far, to my knowledge (very incomplete knowledge) the only factions which have fought the Iranian security forces with some limited effectiveness, and thus prevented massacres in their home regions, have been Kurdish militant groups (political parties with armed factions). I wish them luck, because they did their people a service.
Regarding the attitude of Iranian people, it’s hard to measure precisely, but the article gives one suggestion:
Amiry-Moghaddan told CBS News many Iranians wouldn’t believe that narrative from their leaders.
“Iranian people are so fed up with the regime, and so desperate to come out of this system,” he said. “I remember that I used to ask many people, with different backgrounds, ‘Who would you support?’ And all of them basically say that we would support anyone who can remove the Islamic Republic. Iran is a country with a lot of different kinds of people, different opinions. Some would like to have monarchies, some are opposed to monarchy, but I think the priority is to remove this regime.”
That quote at the end sounds about right from what I’ve heard. Iran was a liberal and free nation in living memory. The morality police and theocratic rules are not thought highly of.
Not sure. Trump mentioned it, but he talks all day and forgets it the next.
Is there any immediate personal gain for him from this?
The west is really pushing for the Shah to take over, huh
There were some reports from Arak that workers started taking over factories. But no, what gets reported are some fringe monarchists.
Btw, the Iranian communist party talks of 600ish dead and 11000 arrested. Those seem more believable numbers. Protests seem to still be ongoing on a large scale, I hope they bring down the Ayatollah regime. All power to the workers!
The son of the shah (he hasn’t ruled as a shah, his father did) is a seemingly smart and politically competent person, who seems outwardly like a liberal democrat (but one can’t see into people).
His problem is that he isn’t part of a militant organization, and he was brought up in peace and plenty. They listen to his words and respect him, but he may not have the kind of colleagues to bring down the (quite bloodthirsty) ayatollah’s regime. :( Overthrowing a country requires lots of organized people who are considerably less polite.
Btw, the Iranian communist party talks of 600ish dead and 11000 arrested.
They don’t update their sites as often as news organizations, and don’t have so many contacts to intgrate information from.
MeK - the People’s Mojahedin (leftist, terrorist tactics, based in emigration, in south-eastern Europe) - updated their site yesterday, says death toll “over 3000”. But it took them a day to get the information out, since they speak of Monday in the text but published on Tuesday.
As far as I could tell the Shah guy isn’t actually intent on becoming a monarch (he was fairly critical of his dad) but wants to help Iran transition towards democracy. How he does that, no clue.
Still, apparently that guy is the dude most Iranians trust to take over. I say most, but it’s still barely 30% iirc; Iranians are pretty disillusioned with their (potential) leaders at the moment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reza_Pahlavi,_Crown_Prince_of_Iran
Investigations by Haaretz and TheMarker reported the existence of an Israeli-linked influence network aimed at shaping Iranian public opinion and promoting Pahlavi as a potential post–Islamic Republic leader. The reports claim the network was operated by a private entity funded by Israeli government resources, used artificial intelligence, and relied on fake online accounts, particularly Persian-language profiles. The network allegedly recruited Persian speakers who reposted content from Reza Pahlavi.[99]
Whether or not he claims so, he’s pro-US and pro-Israel so they are pushing hard to restore the monarchy. Any support you see for him is likely astroturfed
Edit: besides, trusting an autocrat who promises to “transition to democracy at some point in the future” is the stupidest thing one can do during a popular uprising
A single video shows ~400 bodies piled up in one Tehran suburb.
What the honest fuck are your talking about 600ish sounds more believable? More believable based on what? Based on you dick riding the Ayatollah?
Based on other protests, probably?
Apart from that, killing 12000 people is a huge effort even for a military using artillery and whatnot. If you have some military insight, just think of the logistics.
Or compare to the massacres Nazis did in WW2. Extreme cases like the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising had something like 20000 people killed on site, so you see how believing that they pulled of more than half of that here, without all the supporting context the nazis had, is not a given.
Protests have occurred in approximately 180 towns and cities.
If the protests were widespread enough it’s not impossible to approach those kinds of numbers. That’s ~20 cities of 600 deaths spread over 2+ weeks. Other modern protest crackdowns have also been more about asserting power in full view of the world. This is a regime fully blocking media accountability while potentially fighting for its life.
The Nazis were also doing that with mostly bolt action rifles and some tanks and inaccurate artillery, mainly benefitting from shooting 430,000 people in a concentrated ghetto. Drones and modern weapons are much more deadly and are being deployed against cities with populations in the millions.
Maybe the Shah can run for President if the theocracy goes away…right?
Source: Rumors
Read the article. It’s fucking CBS slop based on the vibes of two unnamed people, one not even in Iran.
12,000 deaths, shut the fuck up. What an absolute joke of an article. Pathetic reporting from an empire who just sponsored a real extermination.
Advise:
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Stop ranting like a tankie.
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If you must have leftist information sources, stop consuming Western leftist information, several of them know Iran so poorly that they couldn’t tell apart night from a hat on their eyes…
Day 16 of Iran Uprising: Death toll surpasses 3,000; Regime officials threaten ‘no mercy’ as global isolation grows - MeK about the situation on Monday (since then, 2 days of protesting and shooting protesters have occurred)
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I mean there’s the video of 400 bodies in one morgue. It could be fake, but the reporting is not based on vibes. Kind of sounds like you can’t accept that a religious fundamentalist dictatorship could murder its own citizens for thinking independently, despite that pattern repeating throughout history ad nauseum.
This enemy of your enemy is not your friend.
CBS cannot be currently trusted as a news outlet
Even if this ends the riots, it will likely not be for long. Maybe 6 months maybe a year. It’s impossible to know.
But what is almost certain is that next time, the rioters will know the stakes, and they will riot with a lot more violence against the regime and any authorities that stand with the regime.
For many conditions are now unlivable in Iran, and unless the regime can solve that, people will riot even when risking to get killed.“And then, for some particular reasons, the humans began to be very angry with each other. That was a very difficult time to be on their planet.”
-History of Earth, circa the 3rd millennium
I want to see the regime falling.
The guardians of the revolution, which are the actual regime, are thoroughly enkysted in every part of the structure of the country and will be difficult to dig out. The government and the mullahs are disposable.
Damn that’s a lot of protestors.
This is awful. But really interesting from a linguistic perspective how the vocabulary and talking points differ between Iran and Israel when the situations are so similar.
What is the similarity? Just dead people?
This is a government killing its own people. Israel has been embroiled in a conflict with an outside nation, albeit a conflict of disproportionate forces.
Israel is a government killing its own people
Those numbers likely either cement the regime or initiate even more bloodshed. They have proven that they will use any means to rule.
