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Britain and France should work together to give a fully equipped nuclear sub to Canada. My country is turning to shit and everyone needs to build nukes to protect themselves from it.
With this fucker in power nukes wouldn’t help. He’ll just gaslight his cult into thinking his farts protect them from radiation and they start nuking other countries themselves
Honestly just the nukes on loan would be enough. There’s zero standoff and light defences accross the border. We could supply the uranium or plutonium to make replacements, even.
Failing that, I really hope Carney is eyeing a redundant treaty in case NATO dies.
in case NATO dies.
I think it’s when and not if.
Yeah, seems like.
I hope so too, but as far as I can tell Canada is being run by the second coming of Neville Chamberlain
The question is which Carney was the act, right? The pre-election version, or the one after? Even if he is elbows-up, doing it quietly would be imperative, so it’s not impossible.
It really depends on timeframe suggested.
Ever? Yes, they definitely may.
It’s inevitable. No one should trust the U.S. right now, and countries should be attempting to strengthen relations with each other to deal with the fallout that is bound to occur.
Okay, here’s what’s actually happening since nobody seems to get the picture.
The Arctic has been melting in recent years, opening up areas that were never accessible before for resource extraction (oil, minerals). This is also why nobody is doing shit about global warming, because the opportunity for profit is too huge.
Canada has claimed ownership over the Arctic and its resources. Greenland/Denmark has claimed ownership as well. America has claimed these areas are in international waters and not ownable by anybody, so it’s a free for all. But they know that’s a weak position.
If USA takes Greenland, they take the Arctic. That’s it, that’s all.
Bonus: it’s a distraction from Trump’s name being all over the Epstein files. Although I’m not sure why he cares so much; his supporters certainly don’t. Like he said, he could rape a child in the middle of 5th avenue and he wouldn’t lose any votes.
… The arctic is huge, like continent-sized. If they take Greenland, they’ve taken Greenland.
This is also why nobody is doing shit about global warming, because the opportunity for profit is too huge.
That’s also not quite so spooky. Ask the average Joe how much of his salary and lifestyle he’s willing to give up to prevent it. The answer is almost nothing. We haven’t, because we don’t wanna.
Average Joe is in debt and can barely afford rent and groceries and insurance and medical bills, and car payments and you get the idea.
There’s not much left to sacrifice.
Well, for one thing, a car is a luxury in most of the world. Ask how people feel about riding on busses. Sometimes the answer is that they can’t for some reason, but usually it’s just that they prefer a private vehicle and no timetables.
For another, a good potion of the population isn’t actually struggling, and has Amazon or Temu stopping by to deliver dumb stuff from China all the time. Like, that entire sector, along with meal delivery, is all about spending surplus income. I’m not talking about the bottom quarter here.
In the US, a car is a necessity not a luxury. Public transportation barely exists in some cities. Bike/scooter transportation is a death sentence.
Speaking as someone who’s living car free and has been hit 6 times in the past 4 years, ask me how I know.
Yeah, Canada is the same.
He also wants Greenland so he can cut off Europe’s access to Canada
And of course Russia has claimed half of it, because they have about half of the arctic coastline.
the opportunity for profit is too huge
Until their coastal refineries start flooding when Antarctica starts melting. Although even Greenland is already worth 7 meters of sea level rise.
But of course all of that is for future generations to worry about. As long as they can squeeze out a bit more profit before they die, it’s all good.
This is the most literal “après moi le deluge” ever.
Jusqu’ici tout va bien… Jusqu’ici tout va bien…
To be honest folks. It isn’t important that I don’t feel better about things. The more urgent fact is that the aforementioned comment is, how do they say it in layman’s terms, very important.
That is not what trump said. He said he could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Ave.
omg dude we know he knows everyone knows what are you even doing right now
Whoosh
Am Canadian. I fully believe that within the next year he will be openly talking about invading. Within a couple of could well be done. The guerrilla war will go on for ever though, you can take Canada but you will have a very hard time keeping it.
The guerrilla war will go on for ever though, you can take Canada but you will have a very hard time keeping it.
Which is why i’d find it “hilarious” if he tries any boots-on-the-ground shit in Venezuela.
I almost hope he did just so murica would go though another Vietnam… even then they’d still believe they’re the Land of the fee, Home of the grease.Fellow Canadian. The US has been moderately successful at third generation warfare (so long as they are part of an international coalition, they don’t do so hot on their own). They are less successful at fourth generation warfare.
To expand, the goal of third generation warfare is outright victory in a state on state conflict. Fourth generation warfare’s goal is to make war very, VERY uncomfortable in an asymmetric conflict. There is no outright victory condition (aside from total annihilation). The USA can look forward to a very generous helping of the latter should they invade Canada.
Am American. We (the broad majority) don’t want Canada. or Greenland. or Venezuela. Any of this fascist shit. I’m so fucking sick of this. I want to go back to politics being boring-ish and about deciding what taxes will and won’t pay for and having actual friends whom we aren’t actively bullying. I wish this scenario were laughable, but it’s not.
Unless you get off your collective couches that’s all that it is: wishes.
You are a serf of America. What you want matters exactly as much as what I want here in Canada.
Make America Gray Again?
The guerrilla war will go on for ever though
You think Canadians are going to shoot mounties and cops in meaningful numbers?
Individual mounties and city cops will be on the guerilla’s side as often as not. Resistance becomes possible because it will be against whatever new collaborateur occupation force, and there could still be a government in exile out there directing and giving it legitimacy.
Of course, we get to live in Afghanistan but with a harder climate in this scenario. Yaaay. /s
Yes we will, Asshole.
I hope I’m wrong. But also maybe don’t post something that can be used against you to stop you from doing the thing.
What makes us so different than all those highly armed and trained individuals NOT shooting ICE agents right now? Don’t fucking call strangers names, shitface.
Americans and traitors, the latter of which may include MAGA Canadians. There are currently an uncomfortable number of them (including cops, I suspect) that haven’t figured out that announcing your treasonous intentions all over Facebook and Twitter just makes it easier for everyone to know who the enemy is when conflict breaks out. And as the state is usually predisposed during conflict, traitors are typically dealt with by the mob…and the mob has a far less nuanced and humane view of justice.
These MAGA Canadians think it’s an edgy joke.
Americans and traitors
An occupation of Canada would mostly be handled by your own law enforcement, just under new management, though I’m sure a bunch of confederate-flag-pickup Albertans would sign up too, once hiring standards are removed.
Yep, all targets
Canada and Mexico should make a mutual defense pact. Being pinched by land wars would make things much rougher for the US.
As a Canadian sure, but even together we’d be fucked. Europe is our main hope.
Europe, and if you get Australia and New Zealand involved, you win for sure.
They’re definitely invited to my imaginary post-NATO alliance, but I’m curious, why do you bring it up?
The Pacific. Europe isn’t much help there.
Also, New Zealand special forces are very highly regarded.
Truth. We’d have a war on two fronts without ever leaving home.
It would be suicidal
Thats what they do. Current cabinets way of doing things, force.
Nearly two thirds of Canadians aren’t paying attention.
There are a lot of brain dead Albertans right now who are lining up to be completely obliterated by the US. They all think they’re going to become wealthy Americans, but the US just wants their resources…not them.
They really need to do some homework on the CNMI, because that’s their future as “Americans”.
They think, because they’re white, this won’t happen…but it was never a race war, it’s always been a class war.
And these people have no class.
They might not know about their equivalent in the US: Mississippi.
Do you actually live here, or is this just the theme park version of Alberta?
It’s both. But your point remains, they will always be Canadians, not Americans. It’s curious to me, as a Mexican, that they called themselves Americans. We think of them, some of us at least, as Europeans who took American land for themselves and then usurped the many names actual Americans had with this generic name for white Europeans.
Alberta
To begin with, much of the loud infowarrior rides are also there, trying to import MAGA garbage from south of the border, asides that some of their owners are also avoiding the IRS.
Or they fail to imagine a situation that seems unrealistic.
Or they can’t come to terms with it.
Or they are delusional.
Optimism bias. People failed to acknowledge a pandemic was happening until and even while it was happening in their own neighborhood and city…
When the tanks roll in they’ll still deny there’s an issue.
I wouldn’t run it past Trump; the guy is mentally unstable and a psychopath.
… and the American people are feckless sheep
PS: although I must recognize that, since the murder of Renee Good, it does seem that some are waking up
I am impressed at the amount of downvotes. The US had crossed several thresholds now which would’ve (and should’ve) caused Civil wars a while ago or in other countries.
Downvoting the post above confirms it has not yet been understood where the US now stands.
What actual things have happened since her killing to give you any hope of meaningful resistance in the US since then? Not (strictly) rhetorical.
To my mind, the minute the Trump regime feel the least bit threatened you’d see things like mass arrests and possibly martial law. But the American would be resistance is still holding out that the world, or the US at least, will still be there in a year so that they get to see if Trump will allow free and fair midterms.
I think it shows a strange effect about American geography. It’s really hard to organize a meaningful, resilient, and camera-worthy resistance because we’re so spread out. It’s all about congregating at big cities, like LA, Portland or Minneapolis.
Like, if British people wanted to protest and resist in the streets, they go to London. All of them. It’s accessible. Americans can’t do that with Washington DC.
But I’m in Kansas City, and while our No Kings protests have had not-insignificant turnouts, it’s not as easy or impactful because we had three protest sites across two-state suburban area. Can we get that many Kansas Citians to flock to Minneapolis to disrupt ICE ops? No, not really. It’s why all the major protest and ICE disruptions happen in the biggest cities of the “blue”-est states.
I don’t know about that, just five years ago Trump supporters managed to storm Capitol Hill – was pretty memorable and headline grabbing. Anti-Trump protestors can give whatever excuse they want for why they’re not equally capable or why they wouldn’t even something equally drastic, but the bottom line is that they don’t. Presumably because they lack the Maga movements to take risks and not play nice.
The conflict level is simply too low. It doesn’t take a million people to cause disruptions, but it takes escalation. Americans are too complacent to do that, a world war for instance are not high enough stakes – that’s just another war on foreign soil, something the warrior caste will deal with.
It’s simply going to take outside involvement – military and economic – to get rid of Trump.
Charlie Kirk and other right wing stochastic terrorists recruited and bussed people to Washington with the express understanding of what was planned. All we need is one class traitor billionaire willing to do what they always accuse Soros of doing and it could legitimately make some change.
I mean, did the Jan 6 riots accomplish anything?
While objectives like overturning the election and assassinating unaligned congress people failed, the riots accomplished a few things. In addition to being an example of such a high profile attack on the opposing political side that Trump’s opponents are uncapable of, these include:
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Triggering a constitutional crisis (loss of control over the country’s legislature).
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Revealing external (to the rioters) support for extreme measures.
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Signaling willingness within their own ranks to face very big risks to achieve their goals. Arguably, leading Biden to take a softer and more concilliatory approach to dealing with an overt coup attenpt (!!!) to avoid further conflict and civil unrest.
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Over all emboldening Trump aligned militants.
Essentially attained but not seized on
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Gained access to massive amounts of (presumably) sensitive legislative documents
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Opportunity to attempt a prolonged occupation of the legislature and disrupting legislative work.
Aftermath
The rioters have since ostensibly been proclaimed national heroes by the current regime. Following the riot, the movement’s ultimate goal of another term for Trump was achieved. It’s disingenious to argue that the riot directly led Trump’s 2024 win, but it’s hard to argue that an attempted coup in his name foiled his reelection efforts. Rather, he ran from an unprecedented position of power thanks to Supreme Court decisions declaring him largely immune from prosecution.
I think the case for the J6 riots having no material significance for the political development in the US in the following time, is thin.
That doesn’t mean that I think it’s a blueprint for resistance against Trump. Rather, there are many reasons why one would not want to take ones queues from Proud Boys. But the bottom line is this: while a lot of people are demanding that resistance should be fought in a matter consistent with winning, know that you can’t win without fighting.
Fighting doesn’t equate killing people or storming the Capitol. It can also mean severe disruption of normal operations of the government through mostly non-violent means, like targeted strikes, mass disobedience and sabotage. Big No Kings style protests and marches are also legit forms of fighting, if they don’t insist on not being disruptive and following directions from law enforcement. Notably, not all of the above require millions to travel from afar.
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Discrediting the rule of law, as proven by Merrick Garland and the apathy by Biden.
Since Good’s murder, I am finally starting to have hope of a successful American Revolution
And so are Canadians… yikes
I hope our military is prepared to do something about it
Look at Ukraine, the reason they were able to stay in the fight in the early days didn’t come down to military or numerical superiority or even strategic brilliance. They were not expected to be able to put up a meaningful fight and, therefore, not put up a fight…
For instance, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Antonov_Airport:
The warnings by the CIA and Kireyev helped the Ukrainian military to prepare for an attack on Antonov Airport.[16][19][21] Conversely, the Ukrainians did not expect a large-scale airborne assault on Antonov Airport, instead assuming that the Russians would send a small group of special forces with helicopters in the case of an invasion.[22] As a result, the airport only held a small garrison of 200–300 National Guard troops belonging to the 4th Rapid Reaction Brigade, as the remainder had been moved to the frontline in eastern Ukraine.[1][23] These troops were mostly conscripts, though there were a “handful” of professional contract soldiers; aside from a few BTRs, at least one ZU-23-2 gun, and a few 9K38 Igla man-portable air-defense systems (MANPADS), the garrison was lightly equipped.[24]
The lesson is that, not only the military needs to be prepared, but you, the inhabitants of Canada, need to be prepared.
Deploy the mounties! Elbows up! Horses too!
Mounties, cops will all be deputized to the US side. There is no way they do the right thing when the time comes.
Canadian military is a fraction of the size of the US military.
If invaded, prospects are bleak for Canada. The US has a better chance of invading Canada than they do invading Detroit.
Canadian citizens should arm up but I don’t think their laws allow for it.
I don’t think you’ve thought very deeply or very seriously about this.
I haven’t. There’s absolutely no need to “think deeply” about the strongest military in the world going up vs a nation that’s not in the conversation.
Russia was the second strongest military in the world when they invaded Ukraine, weren’t they?
No, it was and still is China.
You’re a moron.
And you’re in 4th grade? Who the fuck immediately resorts to name calling instead of attempting to actually make a point. Loser.
I don’t have serious discussions with anyone who sincerely believes in American exceptionalism, just like I don’t have serious discussions with fascists. I am particularly disinclined to have any discussions with an American fascist who clearly has no respect for my country or the former alliance we had with the US. My country has literally bled for you ungrateful pricks, among many other contributions over decades, and I can’t think of a single thing you’ve done but bully us.
Discussing with your camp is never in good faith. You don’t believe in words, and there is no evidence or argument that is acceptable. It’s a waste of time to bother. Thankfully I believe you’re not representative of good Americans, who seem to have had enough of this bullshit.
By the way you should know your insults mean nothing to me. I’ve been called worse things by better people than you (I’m sure that’s a low bar to clear), and I’ve seen who you look up to. Get back on your knees for your orange daddy, maybe this time he’ll finish in your mouth.
It’s not American exceptionalism. It’s math.
Good For Canada. It’s a move in the correct direction for their country. In the meantime, they’re still outnumbered 30:1 in the USA of armed civilians vs. canadian military
US has lost to Canada each time they have incurred on our borders.
I wouldn’t bother, there is nothing to suggest this person is interested in seriously engaging on this topic. For example they seem to think the number of civilian owned firearms is a determining factor, when it hasn’t even helped the US to avoid fascism in their own country.
True.
Can, like, Canada and Denmark invade us instead? I wouldn’t have to convince my wife to move out of this shithole
Unfortunately the fix has to come from inside your own borders. You all have sacrificed way too much funding your military
I always love the duality of comments on this topic. America’s military is a Schrodinger’s Military at this point, both terrifying and completely non-existent basically depending on what time of day the conversation happens at.
Canadians can’t help because the military is so powerful (completely obvious and understandable) but also, like somebody up above said, “Americans are feckless sheep” for not shooting up the White House yet.
Everybody’s a hero until it’s their life on the line.
Fair point, but Americans have more levers they can pull like mass striking and protesting. If Canada were to invade the US, the US would invade back, likely with popular support as they’d just be “defending themselves”
Militaries are only as strong as the country’s will to continue to fight. The US had great social upheaval for a relatively low casualty war in Vietnam (<60k dead in 8 yr). Compare the casualty rates from Vietnam with what Russia is experiencing in Ukraine (180-480k deaths in 3 yr).
I remember listening to Dan Carlin talk about how wars are typically won by the side that doesn’t know when to give up. Early Rome was this way. 1941 USSR was this way. 2026 USA is NOT going to win a drawn out, existential war. We would kill a lot of people, sure, thanks to all the weapons and guns but we don’t think we have what it takes to win a major power war anymore.
We’re waiting until the USA economy collapses under Trump’s incompetence and the military refuses orders because they’re not being paid. Then we leisurely walk in.
We really appreciate it man.
We would bring scary things like free wealthfare with us. And all americans were to accept it. Nonnegotiable. Almost a dictatorship like move.
You MANIACS! YOU
BLEW IT UPMADE US HEALTHIER!But again, that would probably fuck up the business case for Wegovy and other Novo Nordics products and subsequently Denmark’s economy. Might be a bad idea. We shouldn’t forget about the billionaires and their wealth.
Don’t threaten me with a good time
The Dutch can take back NY anytime.
Only a third?
Only a third? “Believe may” is a very low bar. It’s like people who have “considered leaving” their job on the past year, because if you ever had a passing thought like “it might be nice to work there” you fall into that category.
What I’m saying is that this poll is useless and the article is a non-story.
You’re wrong saying that it’s a non-story. If you’d asked the question ten years ago, it wouldn’t be a third. The news is that this possibility has been born. That’s big news.
The movie Meet The Robinsons came out in 2007 and takes place in 2037. In that movie, Canada is called North Montana. I remember telling my sister about it and her saying that was ridiculous because there was basically zero chance Canada and the US would go to war within 30 years. It was seemingly completely unfeasible. Now it seems like a real possibility
It’s a “temperature round” tracking nascent anxiety. Not useless but not very specific.
Also I really do not see the US invading canada. It’s too large, it’s like invading russia.
Its large but the Canadians are mostly concentrated in pockets near the border.
90% south of the northernmost part of the continental united states, international falls, minnesota.
Mostly dependent on how much public attention there currently is on him being a confirmed pedophile.
No need to invade when Alberta’s government will do anything for oil money.
The UCP in Alberta and the CPC federally, are both so deep in Trumps pocket they’re trading pocket lint and hard mint candies as NFT’s.
The sad part is they try so hard and get no acknowledgment from Trump. Taking control of Venezuela has even created a financial quagmire for the UCP budget. Not that they probably care, they’ll just cut public services to keep the kleptocracy running.
I have the distinct feeling they won’t be calling an early election, if the UCP got what they really wanted, the next Alberta election would be held as an American territory, and the UCP would be running as Republicans.
