If the U.S. pulls out of NATO, losing Greenland will be the least of Europe’s worries.
It will become obvious at least two weeks before it happens, since we’d need to move aircraft carriers, etc. there. Also, they’d be fools to resist.
No, I’m not supporting this at all, I’m just stating facts.
Californian here.
There’s really no possible way I’ll ever have any sort of faith in my country again. I won’t go out of my way to help it. I’ll always default to assuming it’s a bad actor and that I need to protect myself from it. From here on out I’m a Californian, not an American.
Orange dipshit will die. Sooner than later. But the country will still be full of irredeemably stupid assholes. I don’t feel any allegiance to that. It only serves to make me feel nauseous.
How exactly does one prepare for invasion?
I’m so incredibly tired boss- tired of arguing with dumb magat nazi fucks on the internet, tired of seeing my country destroyed from the inside out day by day, tired of seeing the orange jizz biscuit spewing rhetoric from the podium out of his face anus like a sharting sprinkler- I’m doing my diligence and vetting activists groups to join so I can get off the internet take it to the streets. no nazi should feel comfortable, period
Honestly if this happens I’m sorry to the normal people there but I’d be in favor of nuking the US over this. We can’t let another Hitler get his way nomatter the consequences.
Just fucking sad.
I seriously cannot picture this happening. More of Trump’s dementia addled Twitter rambling. Even the puppets pulling his strings wouldn’t want this.
I mean, crazier shit has happened, but I see the US going full Handmaid’s Tale long before I see them invading a self-governed nation full of almost exclusively white people.
My money would be on Russia making that play before the US.
It’s behind a paywall and I’m not giving Bloomberg money
Yeah America is getting cooked for the next couple decades at least. Even if Trump literally dies tomorrow and his successor backs out no one is trusting them for a long time.
People keep saying that, but is that really true? Because I just don’t see society having any sort of memory.
For fuck sake, the guy is a rapist, pedophile, liar of the highest order. No one cares. Sure, some people are moving away from US services/products, but 1. Not that many people are doing it and 2. Once a non pedophile, war-monger gets back in the presidency, some little bit of marketing and everyone will go back to buying US.
I just don’t think anyone gives a shit. There is like 1 principled person for every 100000 people.
This is what is wrong with the world. People have become so numb, that they don’t care.
Firehose of falsehood. Russian propaganda playbook of making people resigned and indifferent.
Once a non pedophile, war-monger gets back in the presidency, some little bit of marketing and everyone will go back to buying US.
It remains to be seen if you’ll ever have free elections again. You might become a dictatorship well before then.
We need to deny the United States that marketing, then. Hollywood is failing right now. We need to make sure it doesn’t recover.
People keep saying that, but is that really true? Because I just don’t see society having any sort of memory.
American society
For fuck sake, the guy is a rapist, pedophile, liar of the highest order. No one cares. Sure, some people are moving away from US services/products, but 1.
Americans didn’t seem to care, the rest of the world was screaming top of our collective lungs
Not that many people are doing it and 2. Once a non pedophile, war-monger gets back in the presidency, some little bit of marketing and everyone will go back to buying US.
Business people are soulless ghouls so that could happen… but the regular people can hold a grudge. Look at how Canada’s population has rejected anything USA even when the Gov was all appeasement and boot licking until this speech… also remember how much Americans seem to hate Russia and Communism even though most can barely point to one in the map or understand the definition of the other in the dictionary
I just don’t think anyone gives a shit. There is like 1 principled person for every 100000 people.
Again, you are judging the world on the template of Muricans
You conflate internal and international politics.
The tide is turning.
Checks and balances have to get a whole lot stronger before anyone trusts the US long term.
Unfortunately the damage is done. Nations that were asleep at the wheel so to speak and just complacent with the world order arangement have woken up to the danger and risk of doing that. Europe is not going to rely on the US for security anymore no matter who is in charge.
There will be agreements and treaties and shit like that, but our global power is waining (as will the dollar).
It’s not just that, I meant more from an international geopolitics POV.
Countries are also for example getting rid of US dollar in favour of gold and silver, or investing in non-US solutions or income streams for many problems technical, agricultural, medical etc because the US might tariff them for no fricking reason. People are no longer looking as much to US as a place where they can settle with their families long term, or a place to conduct research because a large population is brainwashed into being anti-science and anti-immigrant.
That’s fine. If that’s what it takes to help the Americans get their predatory elites onto a tighter leash, that’ll be worth it.
People forget really fast.
Maybe the alien invasion from outer space we were expecting since Independence day. was just the Americans using either their space force toys or the solar warden fleet to take over the world?
Foreigner here. I know you civilians don’t control the government anymore & many of us see your hands are tied, but if Americans really want to stop wars, then stop enlisting in any branch of your military except the coast guard. Every other branch is primarily used for invasion. If you’ve already enrolled/are trapped by the military, try to become a conscientious objector.
And FFS, arm yourselves (civilians) to the teeth. The tyrannical government your Founding Fathers envisioned has arrived.
The problem with this is that the military is the only path out of poverty that provides socialized healthcare and paid educational benefits for large portions of our population. I think people outside of the USA don’t understand how the lack of worker protections, healthcare, debt based education and exploding homelessness crisis keeps Americans in bondage
If I miss a week of work I’m homeless. There’s some people a single day can bring them down. They precariously positioned us here so by the time we’ll do anything about it it’ll be too late as they sweep us over the edge.
A lot of us are armed. But you know that orange turd would order the military to bomb complete cities. We would be taking on the world’s most powerful military.
But. I do agree with you. That what it’s going to take. We just need to organize.
A lot of us are armed. But you know that orange turd would order the military to bomb complete cities. We would be taking on the world’s most powerful military.
Yes, you have made grave mistakes for many years that led you to this very deep hole… now they climb back is not going to be a walk in the park but either you do it or die in the hole
Having only people who are willing to do atrocities in the military is not going to magically make it better lmfao, nor will it stop it
Given the fact that the navy were quite happy to kill a bunch of unarmed civilians and then come back a second time when some of them didn’t appear to be dead enough, doesn’t give me a lot of hope that there’ll be a lot of conscientious objectors in the military. My view is that if you’re already looking at the military as a career option you’ve got a certain opinion about killing and that opinion is that it’s okay to do it as long as someone else gave you the order. Absolutely no need to think about the legality of the order either.
Advocating moral responsibility for your actions is kind of a prerequisite of military service.
Each of the branches have long had many global peacetime missions, including humanitarian. They don’t offset the offensive nature of a deployed force, but it can be a good thing to have for delivering defense and aid.
The problem isn’t the enlisted. It is also not limited to the officers. The problem, at present, is primarily the civilian leadership being absolutely unprofessional, unethical, and self-centered.
This is like saying “don’t blame ICE, blame the executive branch”. Soldiers follow orders. The enlisted soldiers WILL kill US citizens resisting the government if ordered to. So yeah, they are part of the problem. Same with cops.
My point is that it isn’t enlisted people that decide on mission. And simply not enlisting doesn’t change that. If the numbers are needed, they will be achieved via volunteer or draft.
Enlisted may or may not attack citizens depending on their views on which orders are lawful. This is nothing like saying not to blame ICE. ICE are signing up to do exactly what they’re doing and should be responsible for it. But enlisted personnel don’t enlist to attack citizens, generally. I’m not saying they are not part of the problem, but they certainly aren’t the root of it.
I’m so tired of these “Ackchyually” excuses, pretending to be smart yet failing to see you are still pointing the finger at your collective selves
Those “civilian leadership being absolutely unprofessional, unethical, and self-centered” were appointed by the regime of the Orange Pedophile whom the American people voted for a second term in office… the vast majority of Americans either voted for this or could not be bothered opposing it with a simple vote they could have mailed in
I’m not “pretending to be smart”, at least not intending to do so. I’m just saying exactly what I said. The military branches all have some non-offensive parts of their mission. That’s just true. Airlift for aid delivery has traditionally been part of the mission, for example. I was also careful not to exonerate them for missions that cause harm or for violation of LOAC or UCMJ. They should know better.
I said the enlisted aren’t the primary problem. Maybe you think they pick and choose their missions, but they simply don’t. As far as voters… yeah many of us are pissed too. What do you want me to do? I vote, I try to persuade others to, try to do my part to keep the electorate informed, try to feed my family, etc. Are you asking us to build some fifth column or some such? That sounds great, but many have a lot of context that informs their decisions.
Let me ask you this. I believe this is true but let’s pretend it’s just a hypothetical scenario:
Democracy in the USA is over, no more elections, everyone lives under martial law and your precious enlisted are your direct oppressors now.
What are you willing to sacrifice to return your country to Democracy? your life? an hour of watching Netflix?
Let me remind you that you ARE in this scenario and the longer you wait, the harder it will be
I’m an immigrant, living in Europe, taking care of a few people that need me. I’m also a veteran with prosthetic discs in my back. Be specific; what do you suggest?
I should also add, to answer your question. I would absolutely lay down my life for the cause, but unless I can see a direct line from that to success, there is still a big, complex risk benefit equation I’m working on.
Since you already left America, I guess you did see the writing on the wall long ago (or maybe just got lucky)
Thinking you were in the USA, I was hoping you’d stop consuming as much as possible and start organizing marches… not on weekends to minimize disruption, on weekdays and preferably during peak hours so they can be noticed (and yes that can be done in whatever little town or big city people live, no need to pretend only marching in DC works)
Some of these comments are awful. Apparently, if we all aren’t wrapping ourselves and children with explosives and becoming Jihadists overnight, we’re not doing enough.
This is a class war. The rich have taken over all the checks and balances in our system to where they can break every rule and comfortably get away with it; all the while getting richer and us poorer. We’re powerless and spread too thin geographically to do anything meaningful. Maybe we do need to get that radical, but I really hope it doesn’t ever need to get to that point.
Stop with the false fucking hope, wake the fuck up, and do something. God you people will be wringing your hands acting like there is nothing you can do right until the end.
JOIN A UNION. JOIN THE IWW. ORGANIZE. GET INVOLVED IN LOCAL PROTESTS AND NETWORK NETWORK NETWORK. FORM A GROUP CHAT FOR YOUR COMMUNITY. BUY A GUN AND LEARN TO USE IT.
Yes but apparently fighting fascistism is mildly inconvenient so they’re not going to do it.
Where did the original commenter say they weren’t doing these things? Or are you just not satisfied unless every random person on the internet is declaring they’re committing suicide by cop?
Where do you live, should I make assumptions about you? Are you out on the street right now calling for sanctions on US plutocrats? Are you in the USA and not seeing this networking happen on the ground? If so, where in particular and what are you doing about it? Otherwise, what conditions are making your networking successful and how can we replicate those? Because I promise your imagined passivity is not universal…
We’re powerless and spread too thin geographically to do anything meaningful. Maybe we do need to get that radical, but I really hope it doesn’t ever need to get to that point.
I was replying to this. I didn’t make any assumptions, I was replying directly to their claim that they’re powerless, unable to do anything meaningful, and that they felt hope that they wouldn’t need to get radical.
“Americans should improve their society somewhat.”
"Why do you want me to die? ? ? ! ! "
Masterful deflection of the questions
But do it faster, faster I say! I want to see American bodies in the street on the telly!
The world has been seeing America spilling blood of the citizens of the third-world in the streets for decades. What goes around, comes around.
Ahh yes, that’s such a wonderful approach to take. You sir are no better than Trump.
Edit: In fact you’re no better than the United States government at that. You’re sick.
I don’t want to see anyone dead, or suffering, but you have to acknowledge how fucking evil your country is if we are going to have this conversation. Your government is actively doing nazi shit, and you are trying to shame ME? I am begging you to DO SOMETHING TO STOP FASCISM, but all you can do is get upset about people chatting shit about your nazi fuck nation on the internet.
You just said “what comes around goes around” in regards to my country’s shitty behavior. You’ve lost all moral standing with me because of that and have shown you’re not reasonable. V
Ok but there is quite a way between going oh I don’t like what’s happening on social media and blowing yourself up.
Write to your representatives and make it extremely clear that if they want to be reelected they will stand up to Trump.
Massive protests, the No Kings protest were good but then you all kind of just gave up. Nothing violent but just a stubborn refusal to go along is all that is required. Boycott companies that support Trump, don’t buy the next iPhone (it’s basically the same phone every year anyway), don’t go to FIFA, don’t go to the Olympics, go to as many town meetings as you can and raise points of order and complain. Make it even possible for the powers that be to ignore the situation.
Just imagine you’re a French dock worker complaining about industrialisation.
Don’t waste your time writing to representatives. Democracy is gone, bud, you need to start imagining that you are living under the nazi regime. Arm yourself and network with activists. Make contacts now while you still can.
I only mentioned writing to representatives because the original poster was so keen to do nothing. Anything’s better than that kind of apathy.
Here are concrete steps we can take to combat this (the titles below expand if you click them).
Learn First Aid! ⛑️
The future us likely to be violent, and It extremely important to have the skills to be able to keep yourself and others alive if they get hurt. You can never have too many medics.
Tacticool Girlfriend provides a great introduction to building a personal first aid kit, called an IFAK, which can deal with things like bullet wounds and other serious bleeding wounds. I also want to emphasize her recommendation of only buying medical gear from reputable sources (not Amazon!), such as North American Rescue to avoid fakes that could cost you your life.
But you’ll need to learn how to use that equipment, too. The best resource for that is to take a local Stop The Bleed class, which are pretty widely available in most places. They may cost a small fee, but can also sometimes be free. Alternatively, if you cannot access a local class, this video by PrepMedic will give you a solid understanding of how to use Tourniquets and Gauze for wound packing.
Injuries are less harmful if they are tended to early. Learning first aid can help conserve resources when healthcare becomes unaffordable. Having several medics in case of harm by police is an extremely powerful morale booster during a protest that may become a police riot. When you become comfortable with the basics of first aid, riot medicine is the next suggested step.
Establish or join local Mutual Aid networks ✊
If you haven’t already, get to know your neighbors. Mutual aid is a willingness to support and grow your community. This can include informal networks through friends, tenant/renter organizations, solidarity groups, and industrial unions.
These are groups using direct action to solve each other’s problems. Building strong communities makes it difficult for fascism to take root. The actions of the government are going to hit every community hard, and the ones who build trust in each other and work together are most likely to survive. We’ve been building a list of resources in !inperson@slrpnk.net to help you on your way. Also check out this handy guide to find existing groups in your area.
This isn’t only for your own community protection. Your ability to organize today will change the political landscape tomorrow. When revolution occurs, the social organizations that show the greatest resilience through the regime are the ones typically calling the shots when the dust settles. When it comes to elections, get out the vote drives are useless if most of the voters are fascists. At some point, you have to do grassroots political education if you don’t want fascist candidates winning elections. Mutual aid networks are excellent forums not only for teaching each other good political ideas, but demonstrating them in practice.
Join a Union and Prepare for a General Strike! 💪
The most effective non-violent action we can take is preparing and organizing for a General Strike.
The country would be brought to its knees if suddenly deprived of profit and labor. That tactic was extremely effective in Chile in 2019, and had they not fallen for the trick of liberal reform, they would’ve had a successful revolution on their hands with virtually no bloodshed.
If you aren’t in a union (or even if you are, it’s worth dual-carding), consider joining the IWW to unionize your workplace (bonus: you’ll get higher wages, better benefits, and more time off if you succeed!) to strengthen a general strike if we manage to enact one, as most unions have a strike fund that can supplement your income during a general strike to make it more financially bearable (you should also save as much money as you can reasonably do, so it can also be used to keep yourself afloat during a strike).
And for our international friends, you should join one as well, as fascism is gaining momentum globally. If your country isn’t listed below, just contact the IWW directly in the link above, and they’ll help you set up a new local branch.
Adopt Security Culture and Digital Camouflage 🛡️
Sometimes benign seeming efforts can turn into unexpected personal data collecting traps. Like an obscure website for exchanging contact info with other students turning into a global ad-tech surveillance network (Facebook), or innocent seeming online personality tests being use to harvest character profiles. Even Etsy, Reddit, Tinder, and Duolingo are feeding information to US Government Agencies like ICE.
Security culture is commonly used to describe the general awareness of such potential traps and how it can affect groups or entire communities. This goes beyond mere individual privacy efforts, as without joint efforts these often fail to work.
Especially in activist circles, security culture is paramount. For opsec reasons not everyone in the group might be aware of what clandestine efforts others are involved in, but with a general security culture many potential data leaks can be avoided.
Movements are made by the volume of their participants, and the easier and less dangerous it is to participate, the more people will get involved. As more people get involved, individual involvement becomes even less dangerous, creating a virtuous cycle.
We’ll start it off with some General Advice:
- Mentally wall off personal uniquely identifying info from your online presence, actively build a habit of opsec so that withholding information is your default mental state
- Be careful about who you meet online
- Use different, unrelated usernames, passwords & emails for every account. And try not to connect to those accounts with your real IP address (use Tor or a VPN)
- Be mindful that anything done online leaves a trail
- agents provocateurs may seek to find patsies willing to perform an ill-advised illegal activity in order to legitimize police repression. If someone is trying to pressure you, especially if you don’t have a long and proven history with them, be extremely wary.
For a full guide on what encrypted communications platforms to use, and how to stay off the radar, read the Digital Camouflage section within the Monthly Meta post here (you’ll need to scroll down. I’d add it here, but it won’t fit in this comment).
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Nobody is blaming you for what Trump is doing. Nobody is asking you to become terrorists and this hyperbole is extremely unhelpful. We are blaming you for the fact that we’re not seeing protests every day that make the BLM protests seem like small gatherings. You guys are way past the point of being able to hope. Do something today. This is your country, so it’s your responsibility.
We are blaming you for the fact that we’re not seeing protests every day…
This is just not possible and the rich are banking on that. It would have to become much much worse before people will risk their own employment, access to medical benefits, and personal security so that we can march.
It’s easy to suggest those things but in reality it’s just not going to happen.
It’s easy to suggest those things but in reality it’s just not going to happen.
It’s even easier to make excuses for not doing it.
People in far worse circumstances than Americans got out in the streets and forced change.
The time to act is now, not in the future when they’re even more entrenched.
Sure, but name one that is as big and spread out like the US? We are unique in that regard.
what does it matter? if you live in buttfuck then march in buttfuck with the rest of your buttfuck habitants… where do you get that you have to travel to DC to march?
Isn’t the whole point of the states that they basically operate like a bunch of smaller countries? You don’t have to protest enough to budge the feds, you just need to protest enough to remind your state that they can and should stand up against the feds.
Yes, and that’s happening in states with a federal presence. Look at the resistance in Minnesota or Chicago or LA or the DC area for example. But each state being their own independent polity means that what happens in Minnesota is not under the purview of any other government office until you get to Congress. I could riot at my state Capitol for eternity and that doesn’t change their power or jurisdiction, they can’t control Minnesota.
If most Americans wanted to resist the fed their best tangible option would be… A post office maybe? For all the glitz and bombast of ICE and other DHS jack boots there are probably sub 10k agents on the ground. If all 340 million Americans decided to oust the fed there are only about 8500 buildings to burn down nation wide, and most of those concentrated in a few specific states.
So unless you’re talking about balkanization and secession via inter-state compacts, there isn’t a ton of room for the headline-grabbing resistance that people want to see. And if it got to that point, every major US city would be rioting and ungovernable anyway.
Some of these comments are awful. Apparently, if we all aren’t wrapping ourselves and children with explosives and becoming Jihadists overnight, we’re not doing enough.
LOL right… maybe just stop the endless excuses and do something, anything… stop consuming, hold a march on a weekday, write to your corrupt Senator or House Rep weekly
The real problem here is that you have given the world Chlamydia but want to sit there pretending it is not your fault and any effort on your part is just asking too much
Agreed
The really striking thing about the contingent of non-Americans in this thread who are blaming all Americans, even specifically those who oppose Trump, is that I can’t imagine a psyop doing a better job of fracturing the American left and isolating the US.
I think Lemmy is still small enough that the people who are vomiting on the anti-Trump Americans and insisting on collective blame are probably real people, who don’t know how to direct their anger (which is quite depressing). But to explain, I actually can’t think of what Russia would do differently to accomplish (1) transposing anger against Trump into anger against all Americans, which helps (2) sever international support to internal American anti-Trump protesters, and thereby (3) weaken internal American resistance to Trump by making those of us here who opposed Trump feel and be even more isolated.
Solidarity across borders seems like a better approach. Seems like you would feed the tree you want to grow, and starve the invasive weed you don’t, instead of just relieving oneself on both. But what do I know, I’m just a stupid American.
Yes much better said that I can produce in my current emotional state. This is a class war and they are abusing Americans by separating us from those that care about us (our allies).
From a non-American’s viewpoint, most Americans seem very content to only vent online about how they didn’t vote for this but they don’t seem to be holding their congress and senate representatives to task to get Trump out of office, now. There is a possibility of a general strike on Friday - it should be throughout the USA. In every city. Let your reps know that you are not just attending the odd protest but that citizen demand change immediately. They can impeach or Amendment 25 him out right now. No waiting for the slight possibility that there might still be an election in November. Trump isn’t obeying any other laws or the constitution so he can’t be expected to hold and then abide by an election many more months away. Americans do not seem, from the world’s view, to be treating Trump with the urgency that is needed.
They can impeach or Amendment 25 him out right now
This mindset that the “American defeatist voter” is the issue is so blatantly out of touch with the USA’s reality that it’s exactly what other US commenters are trying to point out. That part of the game has been over for a while. Federal representatives quite literally shut the door, leave the assembly or move away when they’re pressured. They don’t need your vote any more, their job is to rubber stamp whatever happens; the plutocrats pay them well enough to insulate them from repercussions.
There’s no political leverage to oust them or anyone else in the fed. If you want them out the answer is adventurism and there’s no citizenship requirement for that, buy yourself a plane ticket if you think that urgency is required.
Knowing that, the American citizen’s pressing concern is resistance, community safety and solidarity. Regardless of how scary things are for the rest of the world, we’re stuck in the eye of the hurricane for the foreseeable future. Maybe the post-Trump fascist dictator will be less aggressive to your country but we’ll be under the same boot. Our goals are framed in the longterm view by necessity.
I’ve contacted my “representatives” multiple times. Every time, the response is nothing or 🖕. I go to protests. I move my spending accordingly. I also have two parents getting very old who need care, a wife, and a pesky need to feed ourselves. Fleeing the country is not an option right now.
The guy literally has said you’ll never have to vote again and has recently been teasing the idea of skipping the upcoming election. If american streets are still empty of angry citezens after that election is canceled, we are truly cooked.
A widespread general strike will likely never happen because most people would be fired on the spot if they told their boss they were going on a strike. If you get fired, you don’t qualify for unemployment, and most people are only a single paycheck away from being homeless. I guess people from a lot of countries do not understand this concept because they had the privilege of actual workers rights.
We’ve been protesting. The frustration you have from thinking we’re doing nothing is the same frustration we have with the so called Representatives sitting with their thumbs up their asses. They don’t care what we think. They straight up make fun of us for trying. With the exception of Greenland and Canada, the rest of the world does not understand the pure rage, frustration, and fear we’re dealing with every single day. If you’re somewhere like mainland Europe, you’re in a far safer place than we are right now. You don’t have to worry about if and when your friends and family will get randomly kidnapped by ICE. You don’t have to worry about when you too will get put in a concentration camp simply for having leftist political views. If the US actually goes through with invading Greenland, what do you think that is going to mean for those inside of the US? The country would immediately tear apart. All US bonds would immediately get dumped, and there would be a worldwide economic collapse. The only silver lining would be that the American war machine would also hopefully collapse. It may be large, but it’s expensive to run. The entire US would turn into something that looks like the Bosnian War. Due to the US facing an internal collapse, Canada would likely be able to resist occupation, and Greenland would be won back from any kind of conquest. While awful things would happen in mainland Europe, they would pale in comparison to whatever happened in the US. We’re dealing with fascists, and there would probably be hundreds of Tiananmen Square type events. This last few months has involved coming to terms that we probably will never have a chance to live a full life because we’ll be dead long before old age ever comes.
We’re not a country of soldiers. We’re just regular people. Despite whatever you might think, most people do not own guns or know how to use them. Do you expect people to leave their children homeless and without food over a 1 day strike? Do you understand that if a war happens, most of us will probably end up dead simply from being inside of the US? And even if there isn’t a war, we may 2 years or less until we get put in a concentration camp simply for being against Trump. I fucking worry every day that my friends could get disappeared at any moment. You see stuff in the news about Minneapolis, but ICE is in every city. Over 1000 miles away, they’ve been going door to door near some of my closest friends. To suggest we are content is batshit. We are not okay with anything. I’m not going to apologize for the threats of an orange megalomaniac that I continually try to resist.
If you’re outside of the US, you absolutely can do stuff. Stop buying things that feed the monster. Build defenses and deterrents against US aggression. And get the money out of your own politics too. Stay vigilant. You don’t want to go down this road, and it’s closer than you’d think. If the US goes to war, it won’t win. We might all be dead, but maybe the world will reset and fascism will fall.
There’s literally hordes of people outside teslas and other locations in near every place i go and I’m in the south. You don’t know anything.
As a non-American, you’re basing your perspective on what exactly?
We’ve got dead Americans out there and these people “doesn’t look like anything to me”.
Yea… cops being detained by ICE, cops fighting ICE, citizens being shot, protests in every major city… “nothing happening at all.”
Sorry our sternly worded emails aren’t having immediate effect in a system that is completely immobilized right now. 🤷♂️
I blame my fellow Americans who didn’t vote.
As a non-American, I’m not angry at all Americans. In fact, some have been very brave and selfless. I’m angry at Republican officials and voters, billionaires, millionaires, spineless Democrats, and non-voters. We’re in this position because of them. Unfortunately, that makes up a huge part of the American population. I applaud and admire the minority who are actually doing something, even if it’s only to offer a bottle of water to the protestors or donating goods, but it’s frustrating seeing that most are just letting it happen, whether it’s because they agree with it or don’t want to join the activists. I empathise with their need to go to work, take care of their families, and look out for their safety, but I’m sure that those out in the streets have these responsibilities as well.
I really don’t understand what’s stopping any of these revolutionary, non-Americans from coming over and taking matters into their own hands. The prevailing belief seems to be that everybody on the west coast, north east, and in the blue states should just be quitting their jobs, sacrificing their healthcare and their homes, driving 5 days to DC, and getting themselves into situations they’ll be KOS.
In fairness, CBP would stop them at the border. They wouldn’t even get an ESTA approved if they answered truthfully.
They don’t need to psyop if they just stress us out enough to lash out against each other instead.
Were you not already aware that Trump is a Russian asset?
I feel for Americans who are stuck there. What else do you want from me? We are watching what is happening and wondering why Americans continue to allow it. We get upset because we think it’s going to become our problem.
We don’t have a lot of sympathy or love list with you guys right now and we have our own to take care of, honestly.
At best you’re a security risk.
We were friends the whole time. We all went to Afghanistan and got our boys killed. Now you directly threaten my country and you don’t think I show enough sympathy and solidarity?
This was supposed to be a pro-sane-americans post but I think I kind of convinced myself Naw, fuck yas
What else do you want from me?
Refrain from discouraging people just now showing up for action, and heaping loads of scorn and mockery on what appear to be tiny efforts for you. It’s big for that guy, who has never done anything like that before and never thought he’d have to. There are 340 million Americans spread across a massive continent, some of whom are just now waking up to the real threat our president is presenting not just to us but to the world. Many of them have been living in a propaganda bubble. Some, unbelievably, still are.
And if you’re European, do something about the threat in your own backyard, Putin. Our president is a Russian asset, and everything he is doing with his presidential power, literally everything, benefits Putin. Putin’s been firehosing us with propaganda for ten years, and now it’s paying off in spades: he got his own monkey voted into office. But he’s still your threat, more than ours. If you were to find a way to stop Putin’s propaganda machine today, both of them would be out of office by next week. I’m not even joking. It’s so bad in the US now that the instant the propaganda stopped it would be the end of this regime.
I’m pretty sure that we, the regular individual Americans you are sermonizing here, are the only ones who can stop the orange filth now. Washington can’t; they’re too corrupt. It’s up to us regular folk now. So what can you say and do that will help us win that fight? If you can’t or don’t want to, fine. But stop shitting on the people who are just waking up and don’t know where to start.
So… You’re not in favor of sane Americans?
Those Epstein files must be absolutely fucking insane for Donny.
…except Epstein files are the distraction.
Maybe the Epstein files were the friends we made along the way.
We got <1% of the files, heavily redacted and it was still fucking wild. I cannot imagine how batshit fucking crazy the actual files are
What if Q was someone deeply embedded in the Epstein shit, but also a right-wing fascist so they just spun it all as Democrats doing all the evil shit?
Sounds like you’re describing the whole “every accusation is a confession…” projection shit that the GOP has been doing for 40 years.
We know who Q is. It’s Ron Watkins.
This is what i think is close to the truth because I was there at the beginning of pizza gate. The story now is completely different. It started with a republican owned pizza place that had a basement and everything. Then all of a sudden it’s comet over here! And look at this! A crazy has shown up to shoot! Oh now you’re the asshole if you bring up that conspiracy!
Fucking convenient that shit was. That was before Q too.
(Oh this was before/during the clear /r/conspiracy shift/takeover of the right wing) ahhhhhh they now you sound crazy if you talk about it. Fuck em.
Probably like even worse than the Sasha Riley accusations.
It’s not just insane for him… pretty much all of the political power of the Middle East is also in those files. It has a reach that goes beyond borders of the US so they’re actually scared about what will happen when Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, Muhammad bin Nayef, Netanyahu, etc all show up in pictures and financial records.
It’s the entire worlds power more likely.
Ya, you’re probably right
The orange thing must’ve raped loads of children to go to these lengths to distract from it all.
There was a tip line call about him being present for the execution of his own bastard newborn and then discarding it into a lake. I mean yeah that’s not evidence but who makes that shit up? Knowing that he was putting girls into those kinds of situations etc and then calls the FBI tip line with it?
Like, you really gonna call them up with a lie about the one of the most prominent people in American society? How do you think that’s gonna go for you?
So, yeah my conclusion is that there is stuff in there that would make rotten.com look tame.
The thing is, in the current US i don’t see him being affected by it no matter how horrific the contents are
Donald Trump is America’s Jimmy Savile.
so hot they’re literally on fire right now.
Unfortunately I’m thinking this means they have some kind of info that a credible attack is imminent. Fuck.
Easy - I’m danish and the PM from both Denmark and Greenland just said, that they can’t rule out an armed attack, but only because the US doesn’t rule it out. Very different from telling people to prepare for an invasion.
Clickbait strikes again?
This brings back memories about when Russia was about to attack Ukraine.
