From bouncing around my favorite corners of the Internet, I get the impression that large numbers of people have “a guy” (of any gender), akin to a weed dealer in furtiveness and legality, who is hooking them up with an underground, probably Plex-based (but increasingly moving to Jellyfin), streaming service. I get the impression that there are hundreds to thousands of these little “Plex server” operations, each serving a couple dozen to a hundred or so users out of the goodness/vileness of each “guy”'s heart and the hobby budget of that “guy”'s homelab. This isn’t all Plex gets used for or even necessarily the main use case, but I think they’re out there.
Obviously no “guy” will admit to doing this, but my “Plex Server Guy Theory” neatly explains this post announcing that general discussions of piracy are allowed in the Lemmy.ml Plex community and this post by someone apparently serving enough new Plex user volume that a webhook would be convenient to have. I’ve also seen people discussing Plex refer to “my users”, as if they have a user base of friends and trusted or semi-trustred acquaintances rather than just a household or family.
I personally neither have nor am a “Plex Server Guy”, nor do I know anyone who has admitted to me that they do have or are one, so I can’t be sure they really exist. But I have suspicions.
Are “Plex Server Guys” as I imagine them real and common and I am just too square to have ever been invited to do crimes with everyone else? Are they rare in real life but enriched in the dubious/cool corners of the Internet? Does it depend on your country? What’s the deal?
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I am Plex Guy, my friend is Plex Guy, between the 2 of us we share our servers to over a dozen people. My mom and grandma use my server in another state, I don’t charge anyone access. In total I have 8 users on my server, my friend has probably the same on his, with both of us giving access to a different friend meaning he has access to double the amount of content.
I got absolutely fed up with subscription services raising prices and removing content (I only ever had Hulu and Netflix) so I just built my own service. My only subscription now is a Tidal family plan for myself, my wife and my mom.
Also it’s interesting how between these 2 servers, they’re built differently. I built mine using TrueNAS and housed it in a dedicated PC case large enough for all the drives, my buddy made his as a Windows server, and has everything wall mounted with custom 3D printed brackets.
Also, when I go to Brazil for vacation, my content isn’t region locked, it’s at home in a box on my living room that I just access with no VPN or any bullshit needed.
In a lot of countries, you could legally share copyrighted content to your “private and relative” circle. So it’s not actually illegal. Your theory seems correct, even if we do have ftp-siblings too
Me and a relative jointly host and manage a server. Over the years we’ve slowly allowed in a handful of trusted friends and family. By now we probably have 20ish connected. Most use it as a supplement to their main streaming services, primarily used for exclusive content like the star wars shows. Some, like those of us hosting, have cancelled every streaming service and use it exclusively.
I’m a jellyfin guy. I share with roughly 6 friends just for fun.
I am a Plex guy and host Jellyfin along with other various services that aim to de-Google my family members and friends.
I give out Plex access pretty readily and don’t charge for it. Honestly, companies and governments are more focused on the “big fish” IPTV private providers than randos like us hosting media servers.
Still working on de-Googling people…
Yes, there’s even a subreddit dedicated to people advertising their Plex servers. Lots of them are paid, it’s wild.
Seems like a good way to implement massively distributed piracy. The comapnies can’t possibly make a case against all of them, there are too many. I like it.
Why should they not be able to do that…? Even if there are 100’000?
I’m a plex guy and I know a bunch of other plex guys. There is dozens of us!
I’m a Plex guy. I share my library because it’s a bit of fun and scratches my IT interest itch. I actually run Plex and Jellyfin in parallel but pretty much everyone prefers the Plex interface (and most smart TVs have it ready to go, even the silly ones with off brand app stores).
Mostly it’s just an excuse to play with cool toys, and a reason to work out how to run things I wouldn’t otherwise bother with.
I’ve always downloaded stuff, since the dialup days. Originally it was for things that were region locked / “unrated” in Australia and thus not available… but now it’s just so much more convenient than paid options that it’s a no-brainer. Like I literally can’t pay any legit service for the level of access and convenience I have now.
It’s not even about money anymore. Between the purchase price and power consumption of my dual Xeon rack server and JBOD, the 1000/400Mbps fibre connection, and the time I spend on it I’m paying enough to cover half a dozen subscriptions or so with change… But the convenience! I can watch anything, anywhere, on any device. No jumping between services to find stuff, no episodes/movies going missing, no login restrictions, no player that won’t work because your HDMI cable is lacking a decimal place or whatever the hell they’re doing now.
Anytime someone we know in real life complains about having issues with their legitimate streaming service I offer access to Plex. I think there’s 40ish users, but only a dozen or so that use it with any real frequency. Maybe 4-5 concurrent streams at peak times, outside of that is usually occasionally the work from home “workers” / the night shift people, or me streaming music at work or similar. I think the most I’ve had is 7 or 8 at once.
I have a Plex guy. He runs a server and invites anyone he considers a friend, but also gives access to most who ask. He has a giant rig that costs him a lot in electricity bills. But he doesn’t mind and doesn’t want any money, because he’s a sweet person and it’s just something he does.
Edit: I’m in Europe; also he always honors requests.
I was the Plex guy until all my non-paying family members embraced being fascist dicks. Enjoy paying $200/month in shitty subscriptions, dicks.
Hell yeah, ethical Plex guy!
I am that guy. I got pissed off that there was no way to buy all of the episodes of Good Eats legally. Next thing I knew, I had a dual xeon server and 60TB of hard drives. Of the 50 or so people using my server I think 6 have servers of their own.
Good Eats radicalized me too. Not for plex but for cooking.
Yeah, everyone in my family has cooked professionally for at least a few years. My wife’s family lived off of microwaved food. As I was teaching her that food could have flavor, she started asking questions about cooking that were easier to answer with a clip from good eats. Eventually, I went looking for a boxed set of it, and one hadn’t been released. So I spent the $600 I was willing to spend on it on a server.
How so
Alton Brown’s enthusiastic and educational way he did the cooking show helped bring home cooking to a lot of people. For me, we watched it in my middle school’s cooking class
Oh I see, thank you
Alton showed me a few things and taught me that if I was patient I could figure it out the rest of the way. That was almost 20 years ago. Now I happily share cooking duty with my wife.
I named a dog after him. It didn’t stick, and my daughter named the dog after a kid in class’s little brother, but the through was there.
Ah OK, TIL
For me it was buying star trek the next generation on blu-ray and getting annoyed with having to flip through fifty disks to watch an episode.
Did you find a good source for good eats? The only one I found was low quality TV rips.
I grabbed the low quality complete rip, and have sonarr set to upgrade episodes. Even a decade later, I think I still have a few 480p/720p episodes.
Usenet
I’m a Plex server guy for friends and family, I have about a dozen users and maybe 3-4 at a time at the peaks. I charge nothing, it’s just a hobby. We’re out there.
I’d switch to Jellyfin but my users need transcoding and Plexamp is my favorite audio player since Winamp.
I’m transcoding on a HD770 without an issue on jellyfin.
I’m a Jellyfin Server Guy, and same deal. Around a dozen friends & fam, no charge.
I’m not sure why needing transcoding would keep you off Jellyfin though, Jellyfin transcodes just fine.
Does Jellyfin not do transcoding? I’ve been using it with transcoding for almost two years, so if it doesn’t, man that’s gonna be quite the shock.
It definitely does do transcoding.
I dunno, maybe it didn’t when I was first setting up my server a few years back. It doesn’t have Plexamp though and that’s a deal breaker.
It has finamp though right
Doesn’t have the excellent Plexamp automix nor ability to add all my friends shares to my radio stations.
I appreciate the efforts but I’m very happy with my current setup. It works, it’s almost zero maintenance, and I got lifetime plex pass for like $50 years ago.
By radio are you referring to proxying internet radio streams, rebroadcasting OTA using an SDR, or an endless playlist stream?
None of the above, well maybe the last one. Plexamp has algorithmically generated playlists based off song/album/artist, decades, genres, top rated tracks, etc. including auto mixing with crossfading, and ability to choose tracks not only from your own libraries, but from all libraries shared with you.
This feature has done wonders for library discovery as I have an absolutely massive music stash. It’s completely replaced music discovery via streaming apps for me.
I really do appreciate all the efforts to inform me of JF features but I am quite happy with my setup currently, and I don’t want to reconfigure all my shit AND get 12 n users to switch apps. It was hard enough as it is.
I’m that guy as well, but can’t get family to use it. So when they complain they can’t stream something, I just ignore them. I do it for myself, they just get it because. But I’m not going to keep offering, fuck it. Go spend your money on shitty streaming services. I’ve got 7000 movies now and almost 300 series.
I’m specifically doing this to get family and friends to cancel their streaming subscriptions. Not to save them money, to hurt the corporations more than I can do just myself.
Can’t make someone do something they don’t want to, even if it benefits them financially. I stopped trying.
True that. I don’t pressure them into it.
Wild to me that people are that stubborn. I am lucky that a friend gave my access to their server. I just feel bad asking for stuff even though they tell me all the time to ask for anything I want.
I offer to pay or buy some hard drive space but they say it’s okay.
Do you know if I can join more than one server? Do you guys think people will offer stuff like that? What do you guys think about IPTV people?
I’ve seen a few friends boast about their IPTV but as far as I’m co concerned the content is low quality and mostly filled with so much unnecessary content and the UI is very janky.
My Plex Guy (Jellyfin Guy, technically) made a discord bot for our server so we can request movies/shows and have them autodownload. I’m also constantly asking my family on my own local Jellyfin server to suggest more movies. Don’t be afraid to ask your Guy for anything, we get a dopamine hit from it.
Doesn’t Jellyseer take care of this? It integrates with your arr stack and suggests content based on your views and media. You can set it to auto approve or wait for your ok. I just finished building me a server 2 weeks ago because my initial testing with an old laptop and Jellyfin went so well. Hooking up my parents this week (again, with better performance).
Do you have a link or some keywords I can use to look into this? I have heard of jellyfin before. Jellyfin server?
I love wireguard for this. If they can’t get that working, then no jellyfin for them. Filters out the PEBKAC people wonderfully.
Thanks for introducing me to PEBKAC, great term.
I’ve been wondering about this, how does hiding the activity from your ISP, as well as the ISP of the person streaming from your server, work?
I have friends I’d like to share my library with but am always nervous about the risk.
TLS/https will be enough to hide your streaming activity. They’ll be able to see that you’re streaming something based off of the traffic patterns, but won’t be able to see what specifically is being streamed.
Why would that matter? It just looks like HTTPS traffic if you set it up right. And even if they fingerprint it as Plex, they can’t see what exactly is playing. Yes, my Plex library only has public domain content of course.
With P2P file sharing, your client is sharing the files with random people on the internet and you’re identified by your IP address (or a VPN IP address / seedbox IP address / etc). MPAA hires companies to check for popular content and log the IP address, time, and content shared, and then sends that to the ISP. The risk and issue is sharing content with anyone randomly, since that is how your ISP is informed of the activity.
With media servers, unless you’re somehow sharing publicly, it’s safe to assume your members aren’t going to report you to your ISP. I guess in theory the ISP could see high upload bandwidth and investigate, but more likely than not, if there are limits, automated systems will just throttle the bandwidth, and no deep packet inspection or other forensics is performed.
HTTPS
Depends what industry you’re in, I guess
I’m in tech and there are more Plex guys than people looking for Plex guys
I run an Emby server, but just for family. Two of my kids use it, one doesn’t. I posted previously that my daughter doesn’t have anything that can play a DVD, but she still gets them and I add them to my server so she can watch them.
I added my parents to it, and they watched some stuff, but they can’t remember how to use it. Every time I show them, my dad will watch things for a few days, then he forgets how.
I appear to be unique among the people running streaming servers in that I only add things if I own the DVD (or if they’re in the public domain). I also only have about 1300 movies.
I visit thrift stores to get cheap DVDs. There’s one near me that charges $1/DVD, but they have a 50% off sale on the last weekend of every month.
I’m trying to be more particular about what I add. I had started thinking that for 50¢, I can buy a shittier movie, but now I’m only getting the movie if I know it’s worth it, or if it’s got > 7 IMDB rating.
Today’s haul included True Grit (the remake), Capote, and Ready Player One.
Plenty of sub 7 IMDb cult classics :) you’re missing out
Good on you, but I would never pirate Ready Player One, let alone pay $0.50 for it.
I can’t say how many people are trying to make money on it, but there are plenty of folks running Plex or Jellyfin servers that they’ll allow friends and family to access. And I would estimate that a fairly low percentage of those have no pirated content on them. So even for the small-group servers, discussions of piracy are often relevant.
I do run a Jellyfin server, but only locally on my own network.
there any guides you’d recommend for setting up and starting your own jellyfin server (as well tips for combing/curating new stuff for your library, ideally). am tech literate enough to follow guides but not enough to figure out automation process entirely myself
The Jellyfin Documentation has info on setting it up and installing it. I have it running on an odroid hc4, but pretty much anything with enough storage will be fine (an old laptop laying around is a great way to experiment with server stuff).
I don’t have much in terms of automation–I have a script that syncs local files with my server. What else did you have in mind?
Oh, I also have some commands documented for normalizing audio and removing unneeded audio/subtitle tracks.
