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LONDON (AP) — Britain’s High Court ruled Friday that the government’s decision to outlaw the protest group Palestine Action as a terrorist organization was unlawful, but it kept the ban in place pending an appeal.
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I just want to remind people that of the three countries whose elites more rabidly support Israel and which have been using the most autoritarian measures against their own citizens to silence dissent against it, two of them - the UK and the US - have the highest number of people involved with Epstein.
Yeah Israel famously a refuge for nonces too
What is the third country Germany? France?
a very small number of its actions have amounted to terrorist action
Really? Most I found on their Wiki was beating up some guards during their break-ins. Assault? Sure. But terrorism?
https://www.cps.gov.uk/types-crime/terrorism
Oh. Disrupting a computer for a political purpose is terrorism in the UK. Hacktivists and bus bombers, basically the same thing.
Terrorism has always been drawn really broad for just this reason, to lump in people they want to get rid of but don’t have cause to otherwise. We could call what they do terrorism just as easy. Our lawmakers from both captured parties were only too eager to cancel freedom of expression and the right to protest.
The problem with stuff like this is, even if a court says it’s illegal for the government to do this, it barely has any consequences. They will do it again, they will ignore the laws until a court stops them, and the courts can be very slow. It’s not limited to the UK or Palestine Action.
They said that the government acted unlawfully, not that it acted illegally. There’s a significant difference.
The fact the government intend to appeal should be enough for Starmer to go imo. He was a human rights lawyer himself ffs!
On the flipside, think of Reform’s possible victory. That will mean the end of British democracy. I say Starmer must see it as a wakeup call for the Left and actually take a lot of labourer-friendly measures and switch the media narrative.
Starmer is not left.
He’ll never do it. Starmer is the kind of centre-right coward who would rather deliver the country to fascism than do anything for the workers that might offend the wealthy.
Which is why every single Labour voter should vote Green.
Yup. And more conservative people could go for Your Party.
You’re being flippant but the truth is that the Green party is much closer to traditional Labour values than the neoliberal shits are.
So, don’t split the vote. Vote Green to keep the fascists out.
I’m aware and I oppose splitting the vote - but I tell the reactionaries and conservatives to vote Your Party, to at least have something representing a socially neutral/conservative option that also is for labour rights. So to Tories and Reformers, I suggest Your Party.
Reform is anything but pro-labour. It’s socially conservative to the degree of reactionary, AND against labour rights. The only thing in where I can say they’re pro-labour, is favouring a 0% income tax for the lowest incomes. But then still, Your Party and Greens are much better options.
If you care about Britain and are progressive, go Green. If you care about Britain and are conservative, go Your Party.
Given that due to First Past The Post the current government has a Parliamentary Majority with only 34% of the votes cast, in a country without a written Constitution and thus were a simple Parliamentare majority is enough to change any Law.
The whole idea that there was much in the way of Democracy in Britain to begin with is a bit iffy: having a vote which only lets you choose between two carefully selected options isn’t actually a Free and Fair choice.
Also the idea that Starmer is in any way shape or form left of center - by global standards of Leftwing, rather than by “pick the middle between the Tory Party and the Labour Party and call it center” - is hilarious.
I lived in Britain for over a decade from 2006 until Brexit and the only Leftwing party there during that period was the Greenparty, as by the time I arrived in 2006, Labour Party politics were already purelly those of Thatcher’s Greatest Achievement.
By broader European standards Britain has long been very right wing, which explains why even the Brexiter Tories with their anti-immigration rightwing populism weren’t rightwing enough for the 10% or so of people who voted Reform.
Oh, I’m aware; Starmer I view as a centrist or even possibly centre-right.
FPTP is only democratic insofar it offers a choice. But for Britain to be truly democratic, it must be a worker’s democracy: a democracy of trade unions and decentralised communes, a democracy of proportionality with no room for business corruption.
Center right? Not even centrer. He’s locking down the internet, letting palantir and their ilk see everything everyone does, connecting faces and ID’s to every ip and account, and giving people secret social scores to be used to determine everything about them secretly. Age checks and the masterbaitorbase being the trojan horse/sheep to get inside the walls.
He’s cancelled jury trial for up to 3 years in prison, the famously conservative aristocratic legal establishment choosing magistrates to decide to send you to prison up to 3 years with no jury trial, cancelling the Magna Carta’s most important provisions, and it won’t end there.
They made disfavored protests illegal, in addition to and before the proscription under bad faith. Climate, environmental, and Israel protesters just to start, organizers looking at over a decade in prison for protests that inconveninence people and whatever else… They let the judiciary forbid defenses against those serious charges that got not guilty verdicts. They also did nothing when a 19th century law was used to prosecute a woman for an abortion she got from pills her doctor gave her as they claimed she knew things she had no way of knowing, (not guilty.) But they did nothing, said nothing, when the judiciary did this stuff, indeed they helped.
Then this proscription as terrorist under false pretenses, and laughing about it. Ha ha. They’ve been in prison without bail longer than is legally allowed 6 months being the time period, and it’s funny because they are still in prison without a trial date, get it?
What about this guy, or his faction of the labor party, isn’t fascist? His name, that’s it. They purged the left out arrogantly, knowing that in time they would wino by virtue of voters rejecting the other party. Arrogant in thinking the plutocratic rot can continue indefinitely without the far right getting in and with the help of fascists abroad, fix elections. Something they are totally planning on doing whether they know it yet or not.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rtPojDOwptQ&t=235s
Labour Aren’t Incompetent - They’re Doing What They’re Paid To Do
Skip to 3:55 if the time marker in the link doesn’t work
And who to replace him? UK is fucked.
Corbyn? Zack Polanski?
A united ticket between Green and Your Party could prove strong. You’d unite the conservative and progressive left. I’d say that both could vote their own way on those social issues, and in return minimise criticism of each other.
