I dunno about you, but as a man I really don’t see why I should be upset about not being in a document about women. Not every conversation has to be about me.
yeah, I’m feeling a bit clueless as to why this is feeling like such an injury to men …
unhelpful rant
and as an aside, do they not realize how much their feelings and desires as men are centered in society all the time, as a default?
the world has been built for them with rarely a thought to the contrary e.g.
women haven’t been included in clinical trials, and women end up in the hospital at much higher rates than men because of drug complications as a result
crash testing is mostly modeled on men and this results in greater rates of injuries and fatalities for women in car accidents
phone sizes are sized based around male hands sizes making them too large for women
the thermostats in public are set to temperatures more comfortable for men than women
CPR dummies are only ever male and CPR training on female bodies is not common, resulting in increased deaths because people don’t feel comfortable performing CPR on women (either due to sexualization of women and modesty norms, or lack of confidence from not training on a female body).
the number of bathroom stalls is based on men’s needs, resulting in long waiting lines to use the women’s room
Even the idea of women being in public has been a rather recent change in the West, only in the past couple centuries, and at first women always had to be kept in segregated spaces away from men - they had to ride in their own train cars, use their own library rooms, etc.
Women in the US only recently managed to own their own property, secure their own lines of credit, have their own bank accounts, etc. - the only thing like this applied to men has been slavery, but even that was applied to men and women, not men exclusively.
Advancement for women does not diminish men, and it’s so weird to see such sensitivity and fear from the elevation of women from sub-human status to closer-to-equal status.
That said, obviously patriarchy informs toxic gender norms that tell men that they shouldn’t express or have feelings, and those norms are reinforced by both men and women - but the problem is still the patriarchy, not the elevation of women or the movement for gender equality (i.e. feminism).
The issue with this is the men society is catering to are some sort of patriachial male ideal, which is very toxic and unhealthy for many real-world men. So no, society doesn’t really cater to the feelings of men.
Though that doesn’t really matter for the stuff you mentioned that’s just about male biology. And obviously this isn’t the place to bring up men in the first place.
“Yes, HR, I need to file a complaint. I’m told by all the women here that I’m supposed to be making more than them but that doesn’t actually seem to be the case. Will you please look into addressing that discrepancy?”
“Also, I’m ready for my lunch now, so please send a maid. I did not receive my coffee this morning as expected, which I was told would be a part of my male privilege. Do you even view me as a man?”
Why do you feel the need to derail the victories of certain people with your victim complex? Do you undermine feminist discussions by disingenuously asking why they don’t care about men?
I honestly thought they were mostly joking, the way I read this thread. Otherwise, I might have to take back my upvotes. Or I will now just take them back pre-emptively, just in case.
as already mentioned, it’s a policy statement on women in particular, so trans men aren’t relevant
hearing that men aren’t relevant is part of being a man, sorry for all my trans men brothers, that’s what being a man can be like sometimes
“Men aren’t relevant”.
@whaleross@lemmy.world is right. It is the ultimate acceptance.
Welcome to the club, boys. Now you are on your own. Enjoy the privileged life!
I dunno about you, but as a man I really don’t see why I should be upset about not being in a document about women. Not every conversation has to be about me.
At least from me, it was just a quip on the previous poster about trans men not being mentioned.
But then again, my impression is also that for a lot of trans men, this has been a shocking true experience.
So my quip has a sympathetic undertone for any trans men feeling excluded. Take it as acceptance, my guys! Hugs to you all!
1dalm has said the same now, so it seems you were the one to read it correctly in the first place. Such is the difficulty of communication by text!
yeah, I’m feeling a bit clueless as to why this is feeling like such an injury to men …
unhelpful rant
and as an aside, do they not realize how much their feelings and desires as men are centered in society all the time, as a default?
the world has been built for them with rarely a thought to the contrary e.g.
Even the idea of women being in public has been a rather recent change in the West, only in the past couple centuries, and at first women always had to be kept in segregated spaces away from men - they had to ride in their own train cars, use their own library rooms, etc.
Women in the US only recently managed to own their own property, secure their own lines of credit, have their own bank accounts, etc. - the only thing like this applied to men has been slavery, but even that was applied to men and women, not men exclusively.
Advancement for women does not diminish men, and it’s so weird to see such sensitivity and fear from the elevation of women from sub-human status to closer-to-equal status.
That said, obviously patriarchy informs toxic gender norms that tell men that they shouldn’t express or have feelings, and those norms are reinforced by both men and women - but the problem is still the patriarchy, not the elevation of women or the movement for gender equality (i.e. feminism).
The issue with this is the men society is catering to are some sort of patriachial male ideal, which is very toxic and unhealthy for many real-world men. So no, society doesn’t really cater to the feelings of men.
Though that doesn’t really matter for the stuff you mentioned that’s just about male biology. And obviously this isn’t the place to bring up men in the first place.
“Hello, I’m here for the patriarchy. I was told I would have privileges. When can I expect my salary?”
“Yes, HR, I need to file a complaint. I’m told by all the women here that I’m supposed to be making more than them but that doesn’t actually seem to be the case. Will you please look into addressing that discrepancy?”
“Also, I’m ready for my lunch now, so please send a maid. I did not receive my coffee this morning as expected, which I was told would be a part of my male privilege. Do you even view me as a man?”
Why do you feel the need to derail the victories of certain people with your victim complex? Do you undermine feminist discussions by disingenuously asking why they don’t care about men?
I honestly thought they were mostly joking, the way I read this thread. Otherwise, I might have to take back my upvotes. Or I will now just take them back pre-emptively, just in case.
Of course we were joking. I kind of thought that would be obvious.
You are right. I should just deal with it.