The foundation of the new policy is that New York state will be able to authorize first responders to forcibly hospitalize mentally ill New Yorkers who cannot meet their own basic needs such as food, shelter or medical care.

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    20 hours ago

    Nowhere in the article does it suggest that one needs to be psychotic or schizophrenic, only that they appear mentally ill to first responders. They are not able to diagnose this.

    Even if you refuse to read the article, the subtext here on Lemmy reads:

    The foundation of the new policy is that New York state will be able to authorize first responders to forcibly hospitalize mentally ill New Yorkers who cannot meet their own basic needs such as food, shelter or medical care.

    There are economic and societal reasons for individuals to not be able to meet those needs.

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      only that they appear mentally ill to first responders. They are not able to diagnose this.

      Nope, it doesn’t say that at all. It’s mentally ill people who are clearly having an episode. You’re reading this:

      who cannot meet their own basic needs such as food, shelter or medical care.

      and pretending that it means that if someone can’t pay their rent for the month because they had a large unexpected bill will be put in an involuntary hold in a mental institution lol.

      There are economic and societal reasons for individuals to not be able to meet those needs.

      Cool, and if that was the case then the person isn’t going to be put on an involuntary hold are they? No, because that’s not having a mental illness episode where they have had the police called on them because of it.

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        We literally currently have a federal government taking US citizens from their homes and sending them to prison in a foreign nation they’ve never been to before, for simply criticizing Israel.

        And you really cannot understand how, “the person was having an episode so we had to forcibly hospitalize them” could be abused?

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        19 hours ago

        who are clearly having an episode.

        What if it was hearsay? What if they got the wrong person? Are you aware that a false report could be made by somebody who hates homeless people? A homeless person experiencing an “episode” could be them expressing grief, sorrow, and any number of emotions in reaction to their life or situation, but they lack the privacy to express themselves. Better take their freedom away, then.

        A person who uses drugs is not inherently mentally ill. Why cart them to a mental institution instead of giving them the option to go to a rehab?

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          What if it was hearsay? What if they got the wrong person?

          You do understand that the police don’t just turn up and throw any accused into the back of the paddy wagon and take them to jail, don’t you?

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            19 hours ago

            When it comes to psychiatric holds, yes, that is effectively what happens. And definitely yes in many other instances.

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                19 hours ago

                Go advocate for freedom instead of arguing with me. Presumably, you aren’t even from the United States, so how can you claim to be an expert?

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                    You are claiming that police respect due process and rights. You do not know the extent to which rights are violated by US law enforcement, or more recently and publicly, by ICE and the current administration.