This is one thing I hate about democrats. They barely swing a few undecided voters and throw it all away by bringing up an item that many undecided voters take as a single-issue subject.
Gun issues are a losing topic.
Focus efforts on anything else (healthcare, housing, etc) and gun violence will drop.
Totally agree. Gun issues need to be off the table entirely until sanity has returned to government. Dems need to focus on making normal government operations and improving living standards as exciting as the threat of taking over Canada.
I hate seeing articles like this because it tees you, the commenter, up for assuming that the entire DNC decided to drop their gun control policy.
This is just for Hawaii. Hawaii voted against this.
Newsweek is such a dogshit source to be talking about in forums and threads because they write everything assuming that Democrats are a perfectly unified group, all with identical motivations, reasoning, and agendas. We know they’re not, but NW can show you a ding in a shoulder plate, and tell you the entire suit of armor is equally vulnerable.
Not at all. I don’t know anything about Hawaii’s internal politics, so the only thing I focused on was Newsweek’s misleading headline and article writing.
Ronnie Reagan and George Bush Sr are notorious gun control freaks and they are GOP. Yes, improving labor rules and public services would relieve the stress on the Americans reducing violence. No wonder the USA experiences so many “going postal” murders.
Preventing all violence was never the goal, because everyone understands there will always be some violence. But making sure people aren’t struggling to survive can greatly reduce the amount of violence happening.
Sure. But the violence decreeces when resources for each are plentiful. Its just how need and desperation work in the animal kingdom. Less competition equals less violence
Absolutely. I was responding to your comment that uses the language that it “stops violence”. Decreases is different, and we’re on the internet so there is probably some moron who thinks it will actually stop all violence and utopia will sprout. 😆
So good to see more people understanding this. Spend the political capital on shit that will actually reduce our violence, vs virtue signaling to a ever shrinking group of anti-2a voters.
While the proposed bill in the article was a poorly-defined measure, I object to the idea that gun control will always be losing. It’s one of The Onion’s reliable jokes; “No way to present this, says only nation where this kind of thing happens regularly”. And that’s not because healthcare and housing are perfectly solved issues everywhere else.
I’ve spoken with several gun owners in my state who are in perfect agreement that many do not respect the weight those objects have, and follow no safety rules - and would like to see sane regulations on model production and better background check systems, based specifically around how the most gun crimes are committed. We’re just in a ridiculous spiral where the right keeps complaining Democrats want to take away all guns, and lawmakers keep aiming for these vague “assault bans” that would accomplish nothing.
Where the fuck are all your dedicated gun nut independents? Because this issue that you don’t like and because of that assume that massive numbers of true independents don’t like seems to have added up to jack shit as far as exercising those cherished rights to actually do ANYTHING in response to unmistakeable tyranny.
And I’m not even talking about starting a hot rebellion. The MAGA shitstains armed up and showed the colors over school boards and vaccines, but actual assaults on democratic constitutional order and this supposedly critically large non-MAGA gun population can’t even be arsed to do anything. You’ve got a hobby and a fantasy that when things get Really Serious, you’ll be the hero, but that time is always somehow not actually happening, because it’s only supposed to be a fantasy.
Not doing anything. I don’t want a status report, I just don’t believe that this huge group of tyranny-resistors is actually there and none of them are organizing shows of force to put the government on notice, but that you’re all just waiting for something more serious to actually decide it’s time for the well regulated militia to hit the streets. Maybe you’ll be out there when the shooting war actually starts, but I’m not even confident in that.
It’s their whole excuse for why protecting their hobby is important. When it matters they’ll convert from fetishists to patriots. They finally have their chance to prove that all the dead children was worth it. If that’s not happening then their deadly hobby is just a hobby, to be regulated and restricted like drag racing or fireworks.
You seem to be under the impression that gun owners are a monolith. There are lots of leftist gun owners you never see because they keep it on the down low.
No I’m not, and that’s the whole point. Most right-wing gun owners are just hobbyists too, but some bleeding edge of them showed up when their side declared “tyranny” was afoot (aka vaccine requirements or woke schoolboards). If there’s some deep well of good guy gun owners that will (some day) make all the dead kids worth it, you’d expect some bleeding edge to be showing the colors, declaring the stakes, and putting the government on notice.
I don’t speak for all non-republican gun owners, but I don’t have any fantasy about being a hero with a gun, either for self defense or for defense against a tyrannical government.
The point is that the issue of gun control doesn’t gain any votes for democrats. The best thing that any of them have said is when Harris said “yeah I carry.” Had she continued with saying she thinks there’s enough gun laws as-is, and talked about enforcement, and other methods to reduce violence there might have been a few votes turned her way.
This is the same argument as bringing on the Cheneys or throwing minorities under the bus. Just because someone is a Democratic voter doesn’t mean they’re in the bag and all policy should be crafted for what you think are the “gettable” votes in the middle. And I know anti-gun independents. Don’t confuse your personal preferences with being a silent majority. Gun control polls with majority support.
This is one thing I hate about democrats. They barely swing a few undecided voters and throw it all away by bringing up an item that many undecided voters take as a single-issue subject.
Gun issues are a losing topic.
Focus efforts on anything else (healthcare, housing, etc) and gun violence will drop.
Totally agree. Gun issues need to be off the table entirely until sanity has returned to government. Dems need to focus on making normal government operations and improving living standards as exciting as the threat of taking over Canada.
I hate seeing articles like this because it tees you, the commenter, up for assuming that the entire DNC decided to drop their gun control policy.
This is just for Hawaii. Hawaii voted against this.
Newsweek is such a dogshit source to be talking about in forums and threads because they write everything assuming that Democrats are a perfectly unified group, all with identical motivations, reasoning, and agendas. We know they’re not, but NW can show you a ding in a shoulder plate, and tell you the entire suit of armor is equally vulnerable.
You say that as if this vote result was a bad thing.
Not at all. I don’t know anything about Hawaii’s internal politics, so the only thing I focused on was Newsweek’s misleading headline and article writing.
They do it almost every election cycle though.
Ronnie Reagan and George Bush Sr are notorious gun control freaks and they are GOP. Yes, improving labor rules and public services would relieve the stress on the Americans reducing violence. No wonder the USA experiences so many “going postal” murders.
Funny how providing people with the things they need stops violence.
History and human nature says otherwise. There will always be violence of some kind. Someone always wants more.
Preventing all violence was never the goal, because everyone understands there will always be some violence. But making sure people aren’t struggling to survive can greatly reduce the amount of violence happening.
Sure. But the violence decreeces when resources for each are plentiful. Its just how need and desperation work in the animal kingdom. Less competition equals less violence
Absolutely. I was responding to your comment that uses the language that it “stops violence”. Decreases is different, and we’re on the internet so there is probably some moron who thinks it will actually stop all violence and utopia will sprout. 😆
So good to see more people understanding this. Spend the political capital on shit that will actually reduce our violence, vs virtue signaling to a ever shrinking group of anti-2a voters.
While the proposed bill in the article was a poorly-defined measure, I object to the idea that gun control will always be losing. It’s one of The Onion’s reliable jokes; “No way to present this, says only nation where this kind of thing happens regularly”. And that’s not because healthcare and housing are perfectly solved issues everywhere else.
I’ve spoken with several gun owners in my state who are in perfect agreement that many do not respect the weight those objects have, and follow no safety rules - and would like to see sane regulations on model production and better background check systems, based specifically around how the most gun crimes are committed. We’re just in a ridiculous spiral where the right keeps complaining Democrats want to take away all guns, and lawmakers keep aiming for these vague “assault bans” that would accomplish nothing.
Where the fuck are all your dedicated gun nut independents? Because this issue that you don’t like and because of that assume that massive numbers of true independents don’t like seems to have added up to jack shit as far as exercising those cherished rights to actually do ANYTHING in response to unmistakeable tyranny.
And I’m not even talking about starting a hot rebellion. The MAGA shitstains armed up and showed the colors over school boards and vaccines, but actual assaults on democratic constitutional order and this supposedly critically large non-MAGA gun population can’t even be arsed to do anything. You’ve got a hobby and a fantasy that when things get Really Serious, you’ll be the hero, but that time is always somehow not actually happening, because it’s only supposed to be a fantasy.
Everywhere, in plain sight, not talking about it on heavily surveiled social media.
Not doing anything. I don’t want a status report, I just don’t believe that this huge group of tyranny-resistors is actually there and none of them are organizing shows of force to put the government on notice, but that you’re all just waiting for something more serious to actually decide it’s time for the well regulated militia to hit the streets. Maybe you’ll be out there when the shooting war actually starts, but I’m not even confident in that.
What are you doing? Why do you think owning a gun obligates anyone to put themselves in the Trump regime’s crosshairs?
It’s their whole excuse for why protecting their hobby is important. When it matters they’ll convert from fetishists to patriots. They finally have their chance to prove that all the dead children was worth it. If that’s not happening then their deadly hobby is just a hobby, to be regulated and restricted like drag racing or fireworks.
You seem to be under the impression that gun owners are a monolith. There are lots of leftist gun owners you never see because they keep it on the down low.
No I’m not, and that’s the whole point. Most right-wing gun owners are just hobbyists too, but some bleeding edge of them showed up when their side declared “tyranny” was afoot (aka vaccine requirements or woke schoolboards). If there’s some deep well of good guy gun owners that will (some day) make all the dead kids worth it, you’d expect some bleeding edge to be showing the colors, declaring the stakes, and putting the government on notice.
I don’t speak for all non-republican gun owners, but I don’t have any fantasy about being a hero with a gun, either for self defense or for defense against a tyrannical government.
The point is that the issue of gun control doesn’t gain any votes for democrats. The best thing that any of them have said is when Harris said “yeah I carry.” Had she continued with saying she thinks there’s enough gun laws as-is, and talked about enforcement, and other methods to reduce violence there might have been a few votes turned her way.
This is the same argument as bringing on the Cheneys or throwing minorities under the bus. Just because someone is a Democratic voter doesn’t mean they’re in the bag and all policy should be crafted for what you think are the “gettable” votes in the middle. And I know anti-gun independents. Don’t confuse your personal preferences with being a silent majority. Gun control polls with majority support.