cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/46148690
Over the past few days, @MrKaplan@lemmy.world/@MrKaplan@piefed.world has banned multiple users, blocked entire comms, and now defederated from Anarchist.Nexus over their anti-Zionist stance.
This extreme overreaction and general power trippin’ bastard behavior stems from Lemmy.world’s history of pro-Zionist views. And now MrKaplan is seeking out the flimsiest pretext to to enact his own personal vendetta.
Free Palestine, Death to Israel, Death to Zionism.
Lemmy.world is a ZioNazi instance. Avoid it like the plague.
something tells me he likely is pro-zionist israeli himself.
Seeing as this all started because one person said the FHF enables Zionism and censors pro-palestine content, which was then censored? Yeah.
Or him ignoring Jordanlund complaints that involved him censoring pro Palestinian news or stories about Israel.
Let’s not forget the roles lund and squid played in turning wirld news and political memes into their personal safe spaces and echo chambers.
I have no idea what’s going on here, should I move my account to another instance? For reference, I mainly use lemmy for fun and not for politics or drama like this. Also, created this account years ago when there were fewer instances.
The answer as always is do what you want. It’s the fediverse, you’re not tied to one account on one instance. If you’re looking for the instances with the least defederation lemmy.zip is a good bet. I’m very happy on lemmy.ml and lemmy.blahaj.zone for wider federation and hexbear.net for the instance culture
If they’re going to defederate from anarchist.nexus they should defederate from us too. Anarchist.nexus is managed by the same admin team and has the same anti-Zionist policies as this instance.
By the way just created !meanwhileonworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com for people to post about this more.
death to zionism! death to the iof!
free palestine. from the river to the sea!
Casual call for genocide.
Death to ideology, not the majority race holding the ideology.
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Don’t even, you know better.
You’re lucky you only got a temp ban for this. Golden Rule 8 means Zionism like yours is an instance ban offense.
I have a feeling you’ll earn yourself a permaban soon enough.
Should’ve been permanent, their comment history is nothing but zionism
Thing is, that comment isn’t Zionism. It was pretty mild and was basically just a call out of the hypocrisy of responding to evil by doing the exact same evil. It’s perfectly reasonable moral stance, and you’re free to agree or not - but it’s poor form and will ruin Lemmy to ban discussion which is only pointing out the evil of genocide regardless of who does it. You can and should call out Isreal’s evil. But I don’t think we want to become the evil in the same way that some Jews persecuted by Nazis have now become the same evil. And of course context, and history of comments matter - but your knee jerk reaction was seemingly not about context or history, but simply not liking any discussion that doesn’t fit your perspective 100%. And that’s poor form - the whole point of Lemmy is for discussion, not a bunch of people blindly agreeing with each other. Now I’ll probably get banned for saying all this, sigh.
What you are doing is openly promoting Zionist apologia with your attempt at defending a Zionist. It’s not surprising Zionists don’t recognize their own Zionism as Zionism when it is being talked about as it actually is, a harmful ideology.
Yeah, equating calls to end Zionism/Israel with genocide/Antisemitism is absolutely Zionism, and banning isn’t nearly enough, but it’s all you can do to someone online.
Fuck Israel and any genocide enjoyers that defend it.
I think it’s become clear that just like saying ‘Isreal has a right to defend itself’ is dog whistling support for Israeli aggression and genocide, saying ‘from the river to the sea …’ is dog whistling for the genocide of Jews in Isreal. Of course people don’t have to mean them that way, and they aren’t technically calls for genocide, but they are standard enough as such so that one should avoid them unless they want at least a hint of that meaning. And if you do want a hint of that meaning you should accept the call out of hypocrisy without banning something that deservedly hurts your feelings.
@Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com I think I speak for all of us when I say this blatant Zionist apologia is getting old, and I think it might be time to enforce golden rule #8 here. I assume reports against comments like these are being dismissed by LW admins.
How is it possibly Zionist apologia what I posted?
Thing is, that comment isn’t Zionism.
"See the thing is, he didn’t say anything about Zionism, he just advocates it, disagrees with anyone who doesn’t like it, and then says anytime you want freedom for people it automatically means mass murder because Zionist freedom is mass murder.
But he’s not a Zionist, and don’t check his history."
I don’t tend to check histories. I look at a comment based on the comment. If you want to ban someone for a particular comment that warrants it, I guess that’s fine, but it seems wrong to ban someone for a comment that isn’t bad, even if you think they mean in some bad way because of other comments
He is a very well known zionist. Many of his comments war removed for lying about palestinian claiming they do not want peace
“Death to Nazis”
“Wow you really hate gemans huh?”
Average SJW fascist.
That’s sh.itjust.works not the other SJW?
SJW is used as an abbreviation for their instance name.
Yeah we got that fun little community of weirdos…
You’re one of the few good ones across the entire place. If they tolerate MWoG’s Nazis and enable harassment, they’re not a good sever.
Casual genocide defending.
I’m new here but I saw this yesterday and I hope it’s not all like this?
It’s mostly just a few bad instances, lemmy.world, piefed.world, feddit.org I think are the main offenders.
lemmy.ca has been engaging in it too. Although it might be just one of their admins acting alone since they aren’t german or part of FHF.
A few instances (servers) like lemmy.world are run by nazis. The rest are cool.
They are neoliberal DNC types.
Calling everything “Nazi” is lazy and whitewashes a big chuck of zio-aligned mainstream politics that doesn’t explicitly identify as righter-than-center-right.
Don’t worry, you’re on one of the good instances.
Mostly not. I never see any of it, but I have taken to block any and all US politics (but even before that, it was seldom). It is there if you want to find it and feel like having pointless arguments with people.
Collect your free .world instance ban here, all you need to do is respond with “Fuck the FHF Shitlibs”:
Fuck the FHF Shitlibs
Also free “your country is run by pedophiles, you are made to die for Israel” and “death to the IDF” just in case anyone has them on their bingo,
Fuck the FHF shitlibs
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My god I never expected dbzer0 to capitulate to these buttholes at lemmy.world
.world politics try to pretend to be neutral on israel, but any mention of accusing them of zionism, or any people linked to israel is a potential violation to them, they will call you anti-semite(insinuate)
Hilarious, i wonder if Dbzero will defederate too since they have the flotilla thing with anarchistnexus
Axis.world becoming fascist instance was going to happen eventually, they will probably call the flotilla instances tankie extremists to try to save face
I hope they do. The more they defederate, the more people will be willing to move to alternatives and finally leave them behind. People put up with Lemmy.world because of their size and how federated they are. When they defederate servers for being anti-Zionist they will lose their edge quickly.
That’s exactly what they’ll do. It’s the ultimate libs move, everyone to their left or makes them feel uncomfortable with capitalism is an extremist, apparently.
certain users there already do
That’s why we need to make accounts to
circumventdisregard their bans to help get existing Lemmy.world users off the site. Many of them are there out of ignorance. Those who want to stay can stay of course but those who don’t support Zionism will leave.
Axis.world becoming fascist instance was going to happen eventually, they will probably call the flotilla instances tankie extremists to try to save face
We’ve been call Tankie extremists for wanting Harris to support popular polices and illegally send weapons for genocide.
Even within their electorial framework of “change” they still get mad at wanting to end genocide. Fuck em.
I’m calling for everyone to mass instance block world. Keep their blunders contained.
what comms do you recommend for news? i had LW blocked for a while because i found their consistent tolerance for mods promoting moral apathy unacceptable, however, then i found myself out of the loop news relevant to me.
i guess as long as i’m asking, i encourage others to post more to !world@quokk.au and some US focused news community or another. i know Beehaw has one but i can’t find it right now
There also !usa@quokk.au, but it’s not as active.
I like the Midwest instances us comm for US news. !usa@midwest.social
!politics@piefed.social for US politics could be good to get going again. Needs a new active mod however.
i appreciate you
Thanks ❤️
I like seeing your comments in the wild, so many good takes!
that’s a relief. my comment count is so high and i often write up walls of text without even realizing i’ve done it. i often worry i make the threadiverse a worse place to be
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Got a suggestion on which instant to go to? I feel like I’ll be permabanned from a .CA because I own a firearm.
Huh? Why would you?
I’ve been happy here. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone complain about the culture.
That’s interesting, I’d like to know what’s up with that considering my instance is also Canadian. Also you might be interested in this community !ca_firearms_rights@sh.itjust.works
It will be such a waste to defederate one of the biggest instances because of this idiot…
Edited: clarification.
Have you been paying attention to Jordanlund? This isn’t a one off thing.
I instance blocked .world a while ago and the quality of my All feed instantly improved.
the 1 idiot is the head admin that can just unilaterally decide what to do. Meanwhile hexbear has huge threads voting on who to defederate, but guess who is known as “aUtHoRiTaRiAn”
Doesn’t matter whom hexbears vote to defederate - a lot of other instances defederate them firstly, usually. Secondly, problematic admins can be in any instances, but still people do use that instances because of all the other content placed there.
So lets deny them our content. Push back.
Sounds reasonable but still problematic to migrate.
how is it problematic when a community member consistently causes problems in your community to disengage from them? i must be missing something
The problem is that it is not just a comunity member or a guest, but an admin, who runs all the instance. For example, you have a big old community on that instance and you cannot easily just migrate to another instance just because of you do not like the admin. You either coop and remain there or is forced to make a bold move. You sure can ban a random guy from your comunity without a problem, but not if this guy is an admin of your instance and is a jerk, that can avenge you by messing with the whole community.
P. S. Sure, I could have missed something.
No they don’t? Afaik hexbear is the one to defederate? Also anarchist flottilla are the only other ones to hold defederation votes, so my point still stands.
There are 3 main reasons to defederate instance, that I have encountered: political/social views; incompatible instances policies(like protecting spammers/trolls or just 1 admin hates others); technical issues(like connection lags). Unless instance is politically neutral or matches to the hexbear(like ml), it often defederates hexbear or any other instance(ml is an exception here since it is like the main developer’s instance and so on).
Ok you’re just making the same claim again but with different words?
Like you can find the defederation votes with a quick search: https://hexbear.net/search?q=defederat+vote&type=Posts&listingType=Local&page=1&sort=TopAll&titleOnly=false
I dont wanna list them all because almost every single one has some internet drama involved that I dont want to resurface, but you’ll find most of the big instances were defederate by hexbear first.
Okay, then.
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One? This is the first time? How many times over how many nazis has this come up?
For me this is the first time here to see an admin of world does this shit. I don’t deny that I could have missed something.
Its mostly been mods before, but always with admin backing. Using size to say ‘you cant defederate from us’.
Longer wait bigger problem.
It is an ongoing and well documented issue unfortunately
Lol you’re still federating with .zionism?
Of course he did. He’s a fucking baby and .world is a toxic shithole. lolol
PTB!
LW does have a large “Reddit refuge lib” problem
“I can’t believe I got dunked on by the hexbears, communists really ARE terrorists! Also? We should execute the homeless. I am very smart.”
Barely hyperbole. ‘Violemce bad, vivisect the damn commies!’
A zionist scum who is not currently loving in palestinian land and not involved in murder do not deserve to die . The guy advocating for killing all zionists deserve it, the other guy using the terms zionazis and shitlib do not
I… Might need a new home.
Check out Lemmy.dbzer0.com, anarchist.nexus or quokk.au
if you’re into ecology, @tidderuuf@lemmy.world , i’ve heard good things about https://slrpnk.net/
I keep forgetting about them, but they’re good also.
Also you’ve only heard?
sure, i was who was saying it some of the times i was hearing the good things
More people need to spread out to reddthat, lazysoci.al and scribe.disroot.org.
i love disroot.org
It’s incredible, a suite of pure FOSS services that isn’t profit first? A beautiful thing.
You really should.
Bans seem fair and warrented given the history of these users.
Who is “FHF”? If the reasons stated in the modlog are true, these seem justified.
I’ve had a consistent antizionist stance and never got banned from lemmy.world. You can’t advocate murdering zionists who aren’t actively involved in murder themselves.
FHF is fediverse hosting federation, the organization that runs Lemmy.world.
Aggressively calling the admins Nazis is a perfectly fine reason to ban someone.
The Nazis being admins is a perfectly fine reason to call them Nazis.
