Unpopular opinion but. A company doesn’t owe you open access to their tech or software.
Bambu spends an enormous amount of money on r&d.
They have incredibly high quality printers that are intuitive and easy to use.
They collect data to improve their machines.
You can opt out of that collection.
The replacement parts are cheap. Comparable to other brands.
And you can buy non Bambu parts. That fit. But why when official high quality parts are available for same price.
I don’t know why everyone is so mad that Bambu won’t let them tinker with the software. Or “jail break it”.
Why would you want to on a Bambu. ? It already works optimally.
if you want a tinker printer than get one that’s open.
Most people don’t need that. They just want to print things.
I get that people think “it’s my device and I should be able to jail break it if I want”.
Ok
Then buy a device that lets you.
It would be different if Bambu printers were crap and needed tinkering but wouldn’t allow it. Or they lied about being open.
But that’s not the situation.
Bambu has been up front since the begining that their printers would not be open.
They never mislead about that.
Why are you mad about something they made clear from the begining ?
And yes I know they used open source data to base a lot of their tech on. (Yeah and Linux is used a lot for proprietary stuff too. It is what it is). But they have proprietary software and hardware now that was a result of their own investments into research and development.
You can’t hold it against a company for not giving away advancements they made to their competitors.
With so much unethical and anti-privacy , companies blocking right to repair. And all the shitty tech companies out there, it’s hard for me to take the complaints against Bambu as anything other than grifting and online created drama.
Their products were always closed. They never said they would be open.
Use a different brand if that’s a problem for you.
Afaik the firmware is self developed and closed source, so not free. as in freedom of code and free as in beer.
The software slicer is based on prusa slicer which is based on slic3r which uses the agplv3 which dictates that all works derived from the original code needs to be published as code under the same license. They do that. But the trick is that they add closed source modules that are essential for the whole system to work and therefore control their devices and ecosystem via restrictive licenses or plain unavailability of sources.
Regarding creality : the last time I used a creality printer it used marlin as firmware and it was trivial to compile and flash and modify.
But in general you don’t need to make your product easy to jailbreak under most ooensource licenses, you need to publish the code. Those are two different things.
Seems like the owner would be suing them if that was the case.
Honestly it all sounds like manufactured drama to me.
If you don’t like Bambu product limits. Just use a different brand. There are many other companies. No one is forcing people to use bambu products.
It would be like me complaining a company doesn’t sell the shoes I want. And then trying to sue them because of that and start drama in shoe comunities. Saying they are in the wrong for not running their company and offering services or products I want.
Not using it is a way of distancing yourself. I agree. But the bigger issue to me Is that they are making money from the work of others without giving back. It’s an ethical question for me and I want to change that behaviour not just in regards to me as a customer but as a whole for the industry to foster the advancement of the technology itself.
Unpopular opinion but. A company doesn’t owe you open access to their tech or software.
Bambu spends an enormous amount of money on r&d.
They have incredibly high quality printers that are intuitive and easy to use.
They collect data to improve their machines.
You can opt out of that collection.
The replacement parts are cheap. Comparable to other brands.
And you can buy non Bambu parts. That fit. But why when official high quality parts are available for same price.
I don’t know why everyone is so mad that Bambu won’t let them tinker with the software. Or “jail break it”.
Why would you want to on a Bambu. ? It already works optimally.
if you want a tinker printer than get one that’s open.
Most people don’t need that. They just want to print things.
I get that people think “it’s my device and I should be able to jail break it if I want”. Ok
Then buy a device that lets you.
It would be different if Bambu printers were crap and needed tinkering but wouldn’t allow it. Or they lied about being open. But that’s not the situation.
Bambu has been up front since the begining that their printers would not be open.
They never mislead about that.
Why are you mad about something they made clear from the begining ?
And yes I know they used open source data to base a lot of their tech on. (Yeah and Linux is used a lot for proprietary stuff too. It is what it is). But they have proprietary software and hardware now that was a result of their own investments into research and development.
You can’t hold it against a company for not giving away advancements they made to their competitors.
With so much unethical and anti-privacy , companies blocking right to repair. And all the shitty tech companies out there, it’s hard for me to take the complaints against Bambu as anything other than grifting and online created drama.
Their products were always closed. They never said they would be open.
Use a different brand if that’s a problem for you.
Didnt they sign a contract to make it open the moment they used open source Code as their base?
I don’t think so. Open source stuff doesn’t usually require that for using it as a base.
Android OS is based on open source.
Did Microsoft or whoever owns it, sign a contract saying they promise to keep it open since it’s based on linux ?
I don’t think it works like that.
Open source base just means you can’t charge money for it.
Please look up ooensource because it is a lot more nuanced than that and there are a lot of different approaches and even definitions of open source.
Okay but we are talking about Bambu using a specific open source code for creating their software and firmware.
Have they violated the use of that specific open source code in some way ?
Their software is free to use.
Creality firmware is based on open source but they make it hard to jail break their printers too.
Why aren’t you going on tirade about creality?
Afaik the firmware is self developed and closed source, so not free. as in freedom of code and free as in beer.
The software slicer is based on prusa slicer which is based on slic3r which uses the agplv3 which dictates that all works derived from the original code needs to be published as code under the same license. They do that. But the trick is that they add closed source modules that are essential for the whole system to work and therefore control their devices and ecosystem via restrictive licenses or plain unavailability of sources.
Regarding creality : the last time I used a creality printer it used marlin as firmware and it was trivial to compile and flash and modify.
But in general you don’t need to make your product easy to jailbreak under most ooensource licenses, you need to publish the code. Those are two different things.
I just got this Info from a Youtube channel yesterday, so take it with a grain of salt, but they said that the license indeed includes that clause.
Seems like the owner would be suing them if that was the case.
Honestly it all sounds like manufactured drama to me.
If you don’t like Bambu product limits. Just use a different brand. There are many other companies. No one is forcing people to use bambu products.
It would be like me complaining a company doesn’t sell the shoes I want. And then trying to sue them because of that and start drama in shoe comunities. Saying they are in the wrong for not running their company and offering services or products I want.
Not using it is a way of distancing yourself. I agree. But the bigger issue to me Is that they are making money from the work of others without giving back. It’s an ethical question for me and I want to change that behaviour not just in regards to me as a customer but as a whole for the industry to foster the advancement of the technology itself.
Suing is expensive, but it’s all speculation from my side, so I don’t want to lean heavily into the argument.
I agree that it got some vibes to it that wants me to agree with you.
Did they recently implement a “feature” that doesnt allow the printing of guns or something?