This is actually sad
We told you so.
Just remember that this person is probably smarter than a significant chunk of the voter base
The sad part is that these people will land on their feet and be able to deny supporting the current Nazi administration.
they either lose thier farms to jd vances app, or to the meg-corp farms. and some of them have alledgely taken thier own lives over losing the farms. But these gop farmers are likely owners, and not actual farmers themselves. they contracT it to the IMMIGRANTS/migrant THEY been railing about/. some are lucky to stay enough alive to get a FARM bailtout at some point.
Some people have built their entire identity around one thing. Their father was that thing, so was their mother, their grandparents, back as far as they can trace. That legacy and heritage can be a source of enormous pride for some people. Losing it is absolutely world-shattering in a way that very few people understand.
When that loss happens due to things that aren’t your fault, it’s one thing. But when it’s due to something that is your fault, that guilt is so utterly crushing that the shame drives people to unimaginable depths of living hell.
Some people have relatives buried on their farmland. Some people have had babies born in the farmhouse. Most have their family weddings on the farm. Grandkids grow up living and working on their grandparents land. The ones that kill themselves over losing the family farm due to Trump’s policies did it because they realize they got suckered by a con man into believing a line, and it cost them their family’s entire foundation and past.
Point given to those who point out that colonization stripped the same thing from its rightful original owners. You’re absolutely right. It’s still the loss of a generational home. That pain is very real.
trump said he doesnt care, do you?
These people are so mentally defective 🤦♀️ they’re so incapable of caring about others and they’re only ever thinking about themselves that they vote for people just like them who also only think about themselves, then they’re actually surprised when their candidates only think about themselves.
It’s safe but also, they voted for this. They wanted the bad stuff for others, they just didn’t wanted the bad stuff happen to them.
So fuck these people. If they run out of money and lose their business? Good! If they become homeless? Great! If they die of hunger because of trump? Even fucking better.
I don’t care a single shit about these people. They voted to make the entire world worse just so they would get some magical step ahead, and now it backfired and now the entire world including them is fucked.
I’m not American, I don’t live there, yet even my life had been severely negatively affected by these assholes, and now they want my pity? Fuck you! Suffer, die, I won’t care about them
I don’t know… tell me how you really feel?
It’s safe but also, they voted for this. They wanted the bad stuff for others, they just didn’t wanted the bad stuff happen to them.
This is true from an emotional perspective, but neither you nor this person understands how our political system works. I mean I don’t fully understand it I’m sure, but I do know one thing.
It does not matter who we vote for in the presidential election. We have an electoral college, which has overturned the popular vote on multiple different occasions. The electoral college was instituted when black men earned the right to vote, as a measure to disenfranchise them. By all means vote for someone other than Trump, but that vote doesn’t have to be respected.
Usually in the circumstances the EC differed from the PV it was by 1 to 2 votes, and the overall election was close in the PV. I detest the EC, but if the PV is 60% or more, I’d say the EC would match (otherwise, the US citizenry would likely rebel).
I detest the EC, but if the PV is 60% or more, I’d say the EC would match
Are they legally required to do this?
Are you old enough to remember all the times they’ve openly ignored the popular vote?
the US citizenry would likely rebel
With what and how?
He is not saying that there is a legal requirement for the votes to match. What he meant, I believe, is that in a scenario like the one he described, the votes typically end up aligning by circumstance.
Regarding the second part: no they wouldn’t. It is exceptionally rare for popular rebellions to happen without widespread food insecurity.
It is exceptionally rare for popular rebellions to happen without widespread food insecurity.
Not to mention the fact that most of our tax dollars go to the military! They may be incompetent but I don’t think the average American is more competent.
That is also a huge factor. The only hope for Americans in that scenario is widespread desertion from soldiers and officers that have reservations about being part of a military junta killing their neighbors and family members.
They’re throwing toasters into washing machines and trying to flush their shoes down the toilet out there on these aircraft carriers, so maybe this turn out, who knows
Leopards might need to call in the hyenas, lions, caracals, jackals and vultures to join in on the face eating.
They voted for somebody just like them who only cares about himself.
I didn’t want someone who only cares about themselves! I wanted someone who only cared about me! That’s why j joined narcissism club, to be around like minded people who love me!
Learn this in your bones.
Everyone on the opposite side of OP told him/her exactly this. He/she didn’t care then, now he/she is suffer the coincidences of their actions like we have been since day one of his office. If they are now suffering bad enough to complain like a little baby girl that they has problems like the rest of us, he/she can end up living in dirt and I still wouldn’t care because these problems are problems he and his maga Nazis side created.
This woman is mentally deranged if she thought he ever cared. Nothing more, nothing less, just mentally ill.
He’s never cared about you lady and never will
Honestly If half of you country is like these people, you’d better secede and leave them try to live their bigoted selfish lives at their fullest to see what happens.
They don’t have a grain of empathy, introspection, education or critical thinking.
If anything, this shitshow shown people’s true colours and we know some of them are barely monkeys with guns. I dont want to live next to these assholes.
It’s not half of the country, it’s half of the people that voted, and there is heavy voter suppression to keep people from voting. But the problem is deeper than the people. The same number of idiots and the same number of selfish people are in every country. That is something people seriously need to understand. It doesn’t matter what country you’re in, these same kinds of assholes are next to you whether you’re aware of them or not.
So you might wonder why not every country has an administration as vile as Trump. The reason is systemic. Elections need to work in a way that doesn’t give an advantage to certain candidates. No corporate or shady political donations. No bribes. No gerrymandering. No conflicts of interest. Stuff like ranked choice voting would help as well. Also automatic voter registration with universal mail in voting. Nobody should have to make a registration appointment 5 months before an election just to get the right to vote in it. And yes, I’ve had friends that had to book their appointments that far in advance. And no waiting in line for 4 hours to vote. And yes, I’ve had to stand in line for that long outside in 35+C heat to vote. There must be enforced laws to protect the integrity of elections and to keep rich and powerful assholes from controlling their outcome. When politicians do corrupt things, there needs to be consequences. Trump should have been in prison long before the election. And as the US currently exists, only rich and powerful people that accept money from billionaires can get elected. A government should be made up of the people, not of the billionaires. When politicians are billionaires, they don’t represent us. At the same time, the media needs to be independent and free from the influence of billionaires as well. No single company should own most of the television and radio stations, TV channels, and streaming networks in a country. And nothing should be able to broadcast straight up propaganda with political motives and present it as news. And there needs to be a wealth tax to keep people from even becoming billionaires because wealth buys power and influence. If the goal is to keep the wealthy from having more influence than the working class, then there needs to be a cap on how wealthy someone can be. When these safeguards are removed, there is no country on the planet that won’t eventually end up in the exact same situation as the US is in right now.
USian here, and it’s as sad as it is scary. So many people like this lead a lazy passive existence where they put so little thought into their lives that they can be led to vote for Trump for over a decade and only today be surprised like this. And those are the “good” ones who are merely ignorant and self-centered, that aren’t just proud to be nazis.
Here on Lemmy we talk about problems like controlled opposition and implicit support of genocide on the other side of the world. But compared with the median american voter we are like those geologists in the meme about how experts in a field wildly over estimate the general public’s knowledge of their field. And I am NOT saying we Lemmings are policy experts – I’m saying the average schmuck is that far behind our internet “discourse” bullshit.
If half of you country is like these people, you’d better secede and leave them try to live their bigoted selfish lives at their fullest to see what happens.
I don’t disagree with you on them not having a grain of empathy, but seceding like this… won’t happen. This is more often than not a urban/rural divide, so my state which votes like this has two major metros that vote against this sort of thing, as well as a smaller college town. Flipside the neighboring state of Illinois is known for being blue and voted against Trump and his policies because Chicago has more control over the state while the farmlands are red.
California has a major right wing movement in entire segments of its state that is trying to secede from the state.
If we go into a civil war again, it won’t be like last time with a north vs south, it’s going to be a nationwide clusterfuck. Washington, Oregon, California is the closest to being able to pull off a splitting off from the country and it being a line.
And even if we could magically all reshuffle into a geographic split, can you imagine being neighbors with Trumplandia?
Like… I assume lemmy.ca users don’t have to imagine?
I mean they did try and there was a whole war about. Problem was there were all forgiven in an attempt to " heal the country"
And we learned the hard, 150 year lesson that you can’t heal the country with active Traitors in the neighborhood. They will only poison the system, and keep it from being successful.
The French did it right, and made some strong examples of people, and taught the wealthy and powerful that they serve at the pleasure of the CITIZENS. The problem with the current crop of Sociopathic Oligarchs is that they don’t believe that we’ll ever break loose, and they also believe that if we did, their bunkers would protect them.
We are strongly socialized to obey the law, and behave within societal norms, but the wealthy are beating on that with a sledgehammer, and eventually it will collapse. When the Dam of Society finally breaks, it will break terrible, just like during the French Revolution, and not only will the Oligarchs lose, so will their entire bloodlines.
They would be very wise to negotiate a settlement before it gets that far. They will lose a LOT of their fortunes, but they will still have more than enough to live opulently, just not enough to be an existential threat to the entire planet.
The French did it right
Stupid fucking ahistorical nonsense. The French had a bloodbath that resulted in a dictatorship and then a return of the monarchy. That’s “doing it right” only if you’re a dumbasss.
And yet a lot of entitled, untouchable, wealthy sosiopaths still lost their heads, and it has stood as a very real warning to rich shitheads ever since.
Yup
Really, really, really slow comprehension skills.
You shouldn’t expect someone to care about you just because you give them power. You should give power to people who care about you!
Universally, people need keep politicians accountable, regardless of the party.
So I shouldn’t vote for anyone. Got it.
Honestly if that’s what your takeaway is, the world would be a better place if you didn’t vote. Moron.
Every thread where there’s a shred of hope these people come in to desperately scream “Dems bad too! Dems bad too!”
Almost like they have a goal in mind.
If at this point you’re looking at everything and still go, yep, that’s competent leadership doing exactly what I wanted, then I don’t see how there is any way back to reality for them.
Yeah, I don’t think anyone in this administration is competent.
It’s jarring how bad it is.
You really think that person votes, pip?
“nobody who disagrees with me votes!!!”
Get new material bootlicker
Do you really think i don’t agree with that person?
I’m sad to say, but I’m afraid they do. We know the stats.
There’s no hiding from the fact that the two party system isn’t doing democracy and fair leadership any services though.
Eh, fair enough
So he’s not important to listen to for the DNC? Cool, surely you don’t blame him for when the DNC supports Diet Trump in 2028.
Diet Trump
Just how fucking blind and stupid can you possibly be? Are you even REMOTELY paying attention what’s going on?
Yes. That’s why they support Diet Trump for president.
Validation feels good.
Let me guess- because a politicians needs to be paid, that means they can’t possibly care.
It’s simple math.
If they’re representing thousands of people, each with conflicting needs, there’s no way they can care for all of them.
You should give power to people who care about you!
That only leaves the Green Party, though.
And yeah, we learned that lesson with Obama’s presidency. The man had a supermajority for a while and all he did was make fascism worse and health care more expensive.
Mind-blowing how people have forgotten the time before the ACA, which limited insurer excess profit and forbid denial due to pre-existing conditions
Yeah, now it’s just so expensive I avoid treatment altogether and therefore can’t get denied.
It for sure sucks now! Lieberman killed the public option and things have only gotten worse since then as we haven’t taken on the usury of insurance, PE hospitals, and pharma, but the ACA was a step in the right direction that’s been continuously sabotaged ever since it was implemented
but the ACA was a step in the right direction
The ACA was a turd with some rhetorical polish. That’s it, and anyone seeking health care in this country knows it.
Fucking MAGA in disguise.
Still waiting on your dear leader’s ‘concept of plan’.
Pretty lazy response.
I’m not a Donald supporter. I’m just also unwilling to pretend that a regressive health care system is a good thing because it came from the Blue MAGA instead of the Red MAGA, especially considering Obama could have (and should have) done better. .
To be fair, they weren’t looking.
All of those things still exist now, provided you can’t afford to be price gouged, which is the vast majority of Americans.
And Obama could have given us a truly universal system
And Obama could have given us a truly universal system
Glad to see you weren’t paying attention.
Putin party 😂
Don’t say that on the late stage capitalism sub, the douchebag mod will ban you
Hey look, proof that some of those on the “left” can be every bit as stupid as MAGA.
