These are the top comments, and there is many more. I thought this is about Europe. Is this community (sp.?) being brigaded?

  • !Europe Mod Team@feddit.orgMEnglish
    1·
    12 minutes ago

    The problem is that people is unable to find where to put their despair (in this case, support for Palestine) to real and concrete action. So, instead of joining Red Cross or something, they come here to fight the moderation team (i.e. calling us Nazis or assuming we support EU nations giving weapons to a state that’s been accused of genocide). This is because we happened to draw a line as to “how” you should criticize Zionism.

    • anzo
  • Obelix@feddit.orgEnglish
    72·
    5 hours ago

    Yes, it seems that this community is being brigaded. There are a lot of posts on other Lemmys about the feddit.org announcement and it looks like there are people coordinating posting/voting here. It’s kind of obvious when on every Israel/Palestine post multiple people from other instances show up on our small german instance who never posted here and start spreading the most blatant propaganda nonsense.

    So yeah, we should totally do a kind of pause for Israel related content. If not, this community will become “European politicians react to something happening in the middle east” and “Some protest is going on about the situation in the middle east in a european city”. And there will be massive fights in the comments.

  • nahostdeutschland@feddit.orgEnglish
    86·
    5 hours ago

    Ok, let me propose a theory:

    • We know that Hamas started this war
    • We know that not only Hamas attacked Israel, but that other militias in the region attacked to - Hisbollah, the Houtis etc.
    • We know that all those are closely affiliated with Iran and that they are coordinating with Teheran. It’s unthinkable that Hamas would act without consulting with Iran first
    • We know that Iran and Russia are allies
    • Both Russia and Iran had big problems in 2023: Russia was (and still is) stuck in Ukraine, waging a bloody “3 days operation”. Iran had massive pro democracy protests after Mahsa Aminis was murdered by the police

    In this context Hamas stages its attack and the worlds eyes switch from Iran and Ukraine to Gaza. There is no news reporting from Ukraine anymore, everybody talks about Gaza. People were voting for fucking Trump because of Bidens Israel politics. The global left is fighting itself due to Gaza while the global right is winning everywhere. And there are lots of accounts around that are simply trolling.

    And that totally is the playbook someone like Putin is using. Don’t be a useful idiot.

  • nun@lemm.eeEnglish
    40·
    13 hours ago

    My top looks different, but these all do in fact seem to be posts about Europe. It’s a major conflict that is getting a lot of media attention and European countries have finally started losing patience with Israel’s actions.

  • CAVOK@lemmy.worldEnglish
    561·
    16 hours ago

    I usually don’t post stuff about Israel or the Gaza war because I don’t know enough about it to have an informed opinion, but when EU diplomats gets shot at, that’s news that’s related to Europe imho.

    And no, just because I don’t have an informed opinion doesn’t mean I support either side in the conflict. I do however would like the killing of civilians to stop.

  • huppakee@lemm.eeEnglish
    15·
    14 hours ago

    Most posts about Israel is not about the conflict itself but how eu deals with it, which to me is a post about europe. I would also say an article about “Trump announces tarrif on xyz” would not fit here, while “Von der Leyen dislikes trumps xyz tarrif” would. But I am biased, since I think this is a big issue in European politics and I believe if the anti-genocide people stay quiet the pro-‘we need a good economy’ people win.

  • A_norny_mousse@feddit.orgEnglish
    26·
    14 hours ago

    Sort by New or Scaled, it all goes away.

    The Israel/Palestine conflict always attracts a lot of discussion, so if you sort by Active, that’s what you get.

  • hendrik@palaver.p3x.deEnglish
    161·
    16 hours ago

    We’d need to look up how the “Active” algorithm works. It doesn’t align like that with any other sorting method. And also not on other platforms.

    To be fair, each article has “Euro” in the title, and I can’t find the Berlin one. your’s however shows up and makes it even more consequtive ones with Israel in the title.

    And I mean it’s kind of an “active” topic of discussion right now… And Europe has lots of foreign relations and discusses everything…

  • Petersson@feddit.orgEnglish
    71·
    15 hours ago

    Would like to hear a mod opinion on that. We have lots of Middle East Conflict communities on Lemmy, the mods could just say that posts about Middle East should be posted there, not in this Europe-community.

    E: I mean they do have something to do with Europe (Eurovision, Berlin, …), but do we need such a mass of posts about Israel/Gaza in c/europe?

    E2: Checking the latest post, it doesn’t seem as much as this post indicates…

  • Fitik@fedia.io
    810·
    15 hours ago

    That’s just Lemmy for you, a lot of communities on there get brigaded with this topic, including technology and completely unrelated ones

    • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
      35·
      12 hours ago

      Other way around: Europe is just an Asian peninsula with delusions of grandeur.

  • AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    1338·
    17 hours ago

    The staff position in the instance is fully go with the genocidal country, so unless you are ready to be pro israel, you should leave for another instance which doesn’t support genocide.

      • CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        327·
        16 hours ago

        Their source is they made it the fuck up.

        In short, the admins and mods adhere to german law (since this is a german instance) which prohibits that calling for the destruction of the state of Israel and relativation of the holocaust. Comments and posts doing this get deleted and some people think that was siding with Israel in a genocide.

        Edit, since someone else shared a link to a post twisting everything, here’s the original statement.

        • AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          1318·
          16 hours ago

          The instance is not hosted in Germany. And yes, if you are banning people who attack israel when they are commiting a fucking genocide, then you are pro genocide.

          • macniel@feddit.orgEnglish
            146·
            16 hours ago

            The instance is not hosted in Germany.

            doesn’t matter, its an instance for the D-A-CH Region that includes adhering to german law.

            • hendrik@palaver.p3x.deEnglish
              121·
              15 hours ago

              Thanks. I mean even if we disregard where the admin lives, where a good amount of their users live, we’d have to talk about law in Austria, which is a bit different but not very far off. It’d still be illegal to call for violence against groups of people. And they also have something like a “Symbole-Gesetz” which lists Hamas.

              And I mean the idea is a bit stupid. That law isn’t about protecting the circuit boards of the server. It’s about the people, so of course it has to be about the location of either the admins or users, or both and less so about the computer’s location.

        • hendrik@palaver.p3x.deEnglish
          76·
          16 hours ago

          Thanks. Yeah I remember reading something like that. Though, it wasn’t big news for me since I also live in that jurisdiction. Germany is a country, and as such it has it’s own laws which don’t always exactly match to what other countries do. For example here you aren’t allowed to publicly deny the holocaust, spread the war slogans of terrorist organizations or the nazis. That’s just forbidden. In other countries like the USA, you’ll have different exceptions to the First Amendment.

          But since the admins are Germans and a large chunk of their userbase too. It’s going to be the german law that’s going to get them in trouble. And remember they do this for free as a service to us.

          • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
            7·
            12 hours ago

            Arguably, a large part of the controversy is the notion that the feddit.org admins are citing the law as an excuse to shape the discussion much more broadly than said law actually requires.

            • hendrik@palaver.p3x.deEnglish
              51·
              11 hours ago

              Sure, I get that. I just can’t find any evidence of them actually doing things like that (overreaching past what’s mandated by law). So I think the notion isn’t rooted in reality. Other than that all I have is my experience of feddit.org being one of the nicer instances here on the network.

          • AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            118·
            16 hours ago

            Many nazis at the time were “just following orders”, and that doesn’t make it better for them.

            In this case, the law is shit, and just because it’s a law doesn’t mean it’s right. Critizicing israhell with how they are acting is the right thing to do. If they want to follow the law but they don’t agree with it, then just ban political talk in general.

            Zionism is not judaism, zionism is a nazi movement, and the fact that many hebrews critizice zionism should tell you something about it.

            • hendrik@palaver.p3x.deEnglish
              114·
              15 hours ago

              No, you’re just wrong. I mean unless you live here, it’s not your call to make what we can and can not talk about. And I feel like you didn’t even get what it’s about. You’re perfectly fine to criticise Israel in Germany. We also do in fact discuss zionism and what random people on the internet say about that. If you scroll to the top and see what this post is about, you’d see that we actualy discuss the topic a lot on this Lemmy instance.