• early_riser@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    This is why I hate Lemmy sometimes. “It’s wrong to wish people dead, except for ‘them’. ‘They’ are fare game.” It’s the same BS we’ve been doing for the whole history of our miserable species.

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      Meh, I don’t wish death on anyone, but that doesn’t mean I have to be sad that a shitty person died.

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        Meh, I don’t wish death on anyone

        10 years ago (maybe even 5), I would have agreed with you.

        I’m past that shit. There are people that I now 100% wish would do humanity a favor and kill themselves.

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        Nobody’s criticizing people for not being sad. There’s a word for this, “gloating”.

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      It’s wrong to wish people dead

      I had this attitude 20 years ago. I no longer do. I’ve come to realize that there are certain rich fucks who are actively harming humanity directly (Hitler, Kissinger, Reagan, world leaders who send the poor to useless wars), and if they died and their death prevented more suffering, that’s a good thing for humanity. Even the rich fucks that just hoard money are actively robbing from the poor to do so, and some of those people die as a result.

      How many people does a person have to kill before they are too far gone to save, and are just evil? How many levels of indirection does it take before they wouldn’t be considered evil? What happens if a person indirectly kills millions of people? Is that still far enough to call them evil?

      These are the questions you should ask yourself when you try to plot out your own moral compass.

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        certain rich fucks who are actively harming humanity directly (Hitler, Kissinger, Reagan, world leaders who send the poor to useless wars

        Ok, so which of those examples was this guy most like? Lol

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      this isn’t complicated

      the social contract basically boils down to, you at a baseline do right by me and in return I do the same for you

      assholes like this and other rich fucks try to game this system for profit by literally harming parts of our lives via loopholes

      when ass fucks say lets hurt person ‘insert something that has no impact on anything’ like skin color or sexuality that is wrong

      when people talk about wishing death on people that are literally fucking with our lives it should obviously not be the same

      whether tanking a video game falls into that bucket is nuanced but people like the united health fuck are easily fair game

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      Wait, why do you hate lemmy for this? I think who you actually hate are humans. Reddit and all the other modern social media platforms have the same issues, because they too have humans.

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        I wouldn’t be surprised if many of these people are, in fact, banned on reddit because of this behavior.

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        Lemmy seems waaaay more negative in general though. It’s actually kinda jarring being here sometimes.

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          Because most of us got banned on Reddit for speaking out.

          I guess I have to tolerate limpdicked equivocation and “let’s all be sad some rich asshole carked it” on reddit but why here? Those spineless losers can fuck off back to reddit.

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        Yes, but this is just the cherry on top of a steaming turd sundae of other issues I have with Lemmy that I won’t rehash again here. It’s not like my complaining will change anything anyway.

        Compare these reactions to the Ubisoft subreddit, which granted are going to skew fanward. On /r/games the conversation seems to be mixed, with a few dancing on his grave, most expressing dismay at his death while still acknowledging the harm he did to the company and industry as a whole. Plenty of people are simply discussing the dangers of small aircraft.

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      That pretty much nails my feelings. Charlie Kirk is a huge piece of shit and I’m glad he died honestly. But I’d be a worse person if I made a personality out of mocking him for being dead. Can’t we just take the win? Fate decided a bad person was over. I wish that could be that.

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        Who here is making this into their personality? It’s the pearl clutchers here who are making this far bigger than it is.

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          People are still posting gleeful shit about his death. I don’t care what anyone says, that’s unhealthy.

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            Before 2016 (and to an even greater degree, 2025), I would never have wished death on another person. However, the last ten years have been very eye opening for me. There are people whose continued existence on this mortal plane is the direct cause of untold hatred, suffering, and death (all unnecessary).

            Humanity, and quite literally the planet itself, would be much better off with them dead. And, in fact, their continued existence is a direct threat to all life on this planet.

            Whether or not it’s healthy is a separate question. I can’t say I’m super happy about it. But it is what it is.

            Yes, there are degrees and this Ubisoft guy isn’t on the same level as, say, Trump or Stephen Miller. But they are both cancers on humanity, maybe just different “stages.”

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        good things should be celebrated

        things that improve the general state of humanity are generally considered good

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        Charlie Kirk was okay with people dying from gun violence if it meant fewer restrictions on guns. He fought against minority groups’ rights. He was spreading dangerous rhetoric worldwide.

        The Ubisoft guy helped found a popular video game company and was probably just a generic rich prick at worst.

        The world is better off without Charlie Kirk. I doubt the world, let alone the video game industry, let alone even just Ubisoft, will get any better after today thanks to Guillemot’s death.

        There’s a huge difference here.

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          I mean, yeah, Kirk was unquestionably the bigger turd but I’m happy both are gone. They’re all part of the same overarching issue with this world.

          Them just fixing their shit would be greatly preferable. But they wouldn’t be part of the problem for very long if they were capable of that kind of introspection.

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          The point is was making had nothing to do with Charlie Kirk other than he was an example of people being gleeful about a death. Which is unhealthy.

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            Is it unhealthy to be gleeful for the death of someone who promotes and spreads violent and hateful rhetoric and got hoist by his own petard? This is different than being gleeful about the death of someone who is making a hobby worse in one specific company.

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              You don’t need to ask this. You know what I’m saying. I’m not going to participate in you trying to excuse what you’re doing.

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                  Yeah I’m sure you’ve never heard that wishing death on someone makes you a worse person. Because there’s just definitely no truth to that at all.

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      Stop hating Lemmy. For me, it’s my way of communicating that I’m a Misanthropic Anti-Natalist. I can do my part to sway the public opinion that humans should all go extinct. I can spread the idea of humans being the monsters, the true enemies of the planet and all it’s life. I can see it slowly taking hold of the world, people coming to terms with our monstrous nature. Someday in the far future, perhaps we all choose to self-terminate. We are not divine nor special, just meat.