I mean, the behavior of the community speaks for itself. They try so hard not being the thing they ran from three years ago, but in the midst of their attempt, they end up evolving into the very thing they ran from. Its like they just didn’t like being on the platform of origin, promised they’d do better, then realizing how separated they are to where they just recreated it by instinct.
Power-Tripping Mods, Gaslighting Users, Immature Moderators, 100 Rules to follow but contradicts itself .etc
I can just go on and on and on. Oh and I don’t even care about this stupid debate that happened between .ML and .World because there’s virtually no difference and it is just nothing but a sissy online slapfight.
I ran from Reddit because I’m trying to avoid big US tech monopolies in favor of smaller, less monopolistic goods and services. I’m happy with drinking my local brand of cola, using European email and cloud storage providers and getting my share of news and commentary from Fediverse sources. Works out great for me.
I think power-tripping moderators is exactly what the web needs. I loved the age of bulletin boards. Maybe it’s nostalgia, but I remember the quality of discourse being significantly higher on those moderated platforms. And more importantly, the number of low-quality posts, trolls etc was way lower, because someone would correctly identify bullshit and just delete it.
Yeah. Basically. Its claim to fame is getting off corpo control and algorithms. It also has more options for the user and portability. It does not change humanity nor is it some guarantee to get a better batch of humanity. I like the crowd but I do have no problems using block.
Seems like your main complaint is not about the platform but about people.
Big thing for me is the fediverse part. More privacy, no tracking or ads. People are people, but less corporate power tripping is a win.
Oh hey it’s another person with a young account of 9 days who gets banned from a community and tells the mods to kill themselves then complains about the internet being the internet.
Hey actually got a follow up but untreated to op - I still don’t really understand the difference between .world and Piefed. I find myself using the Piefed interface a lot, and although a lot of the content here is similar, it’s not identical to where I signed up, .world (even though I’m subscribed to the same instances).
Anyone got a quick primer on the differences?
Lemmy.world and piefed.social are two different instances (servers) run by different people. They also run different software (Lemmy and Piefed respectively) which speaks the same protocol and can talk to each other (and other instances as well).
If you look at the same community e.g. !fediverse@lemmy.world under each instance the content should be the same: the protocol should ensure that. The interface, the way it is presented to you, might be different, mostly decided by the software (Lemmy or Piefed, or any reader client you use).
It is also possible some posts or replies made it to one instance but not the other, perhaps due to technical problems, or policy (one instance’s admin might decide to not federate with another), but you should not encounter it very often (but it certainly happens).
People choose one instance over another for different reasons. Perhaps they like one software’s interface better than another. Perhaps they feel one server is faster and more responsive than another. Perhaps they would like to subscribe to a community which is blocked by certain instances. Fortunately there is nothing to stop somebody from signing up at multiple instances, so one can just try each out and find out which one is suitable for them.
Thank you for the helpful reply - it was the “different software” bit that was throwing me off.
You left reddit because you didn’t like the users. I left reddit because I didn’t like the corpo BS and the company trying to monetize what the users built. We are not the same.
If you want the things you posted about to be different, go roll your own.
Hard disagree. People are people, doesn’t matter if you’re on Reddit, Lemmy, Piefed, X, Mastodon, Instagram, LinkedIn, etc.
What makes the Fediverse different is not users behavior, but how it’s decentealized instances and moderation works, as well as the user freedom to choose an instance akin to their ideals. Also the way that up and downvotes work.
In Reddit people farm karma because they want those digital points in their profile. Here you don’t have it. The up and downvotes are strict to the post itself, not to your account.
In Reddit you either accept Reddit’s rules and “behave” according to what they demand, or you get banned out of every discussion, requiring a whole new account if that happens (and hoping they don’t ban that account too, for ban evasion). Here if you get banned, you can access the discussion from any other instance - you’re not locked out for good.
The way Fediverse works makes discussion and different points of view possible. Maybe you can’t make a point in an instance, because they have a viewpoint different from yours and won’t accept that specific argument. But you might actually receive positive feedback with that same opinion on a different instance regarding the same topic.
On Fediverse you’re not permanently punished for going against the grain, contrary to Reddit. And you also don’t get praised and adding permanent “value” (karma) to your account by reposting some popular shit, also contrary to Reddit.
In other words, Lemmy/Piefed encourages you to post what you actually think. Reddit discourages you to post anything that might be seen as unpopular, and instead it encourages you to repost the same popular beliefs without any critical sense.
The difference in how Reddit and Lemmy/Piefed operate makes a HUGE difference.
Edit: And he blocked me. lmao
That is pretty funny that after your thorough and extensive comparison the result is blocking. Thanks for taking the time to do that though. I’m new and recently transitioned from Reddit. It definitely feels very different here but I didn’t know how to describe it. The end really is much less hostility in general. I feel like there are more constructive conversations happening despite occasional breakdowns.
If you’re not punished for going against the grain on here, why is the modlog the thing with the most activity on here?
We are ex-Reddit users. As we have been ex-Slashdot, ex-Digg, ex-forums, ex-etc. over the years. That doesn’t mean all those things are the same as each other. They’re different in important dimensions which made people move between them. Lemmy is not Reddit in important dimensions and this is why we’re now here instead of on Reddit.
Some of us started on Usenet.
Now, get off my lawn… /s
I’m showing my young age of high 30s am I not? 😆
9 days
Finally
This place isn’t a bot infested and advertisement strewn hell with cronenburgian user interface that blocks third party readers. The draw that its obscurity prevents the technologically or politically ignorant people from stumbling to it so easily is just a bonus.
cronenburgian user interface
Uhhh, what do you think David Cronenberg is famous for exactly?
9 days
Is this someone from reddit trying to convince people to come back? 😂
They’ve got a comment from when their account was only 2 days old talking about how Reddit users are trashing Lemmy while also trashing Reddit. So FWIW this is probably an alt.
- no advertising
- not run by a corporation
- freedom to find an instance aligned with your values
That’s a big deal to those of us who like lemmy/piefed. If you don’t care about those things, then yeah you might as well stay on Reddit.
Finding an instance aligned with your values means nothing when pretty much all of the content is centralized on 1-2 instances like it is here, and those instances have mods that are just as heavy handed as reddit.
Power-Tripping Mods, Gaslighting Users, Immature Moderators, 100 Rules to follow but contradicts itself
The point of the Fediverse is not that we individually have better characters than the people on Reddit. The point is that if you don’t like what an instance is doing, you can join an instance you do like, or make your own.
That’s no different to reddit really though. The “just make your own subreddit” line didn’t work there and it doesn’t work here.
The problem with ‘making your own instance’ is, how little of active people there are to sustain such instances. You make it sound like we’re flourishing with millions of active users when we’re realistically seeing only five digit thousands and that’s being generous.
It’s not that simple.
The problem with ‘making your own instance’ is, how little of active people there are to sustain such instances.
You literally only need one person to make an instance: you.
You make it sound like we’re flourishing with millions of active users when we’re realistically seeing only five digit thousands and that’s being generous.
And that’s a problem? Personally, I want to see the Fediverse grow sustainably.
It’s not that simple.
No it actually is that simple to make an instance just for yourself. Actually, the challenge comes about when you grow, because then you have to moderate other users.
I think there’s a disconnect here.
No shit that you need one person to make it and it is yourself.
The problem is your unrealistic expectations by how you’re making it sound like just making an instance means automatic success of a community by denying the reality of just how active the general community as a whole is. People just simply don’t have that kind of patience. I know I wouldn’t, so no, I’m not going to be making my instances.
Why make the millionth Games-related instance when the current ones should be improved upon?
Ya, you’re definitely confusing instance with community. I get the argument that fragmented communities can be a problem, but the ability to roll your own instance is not the same thing and is in fact the strength of the fediverse.
You’re telling us we have unrealistic expectations when you’ve been here for 9 days. Clearly we don’t have unrealistic expectations if we enjoy being here with its “limited activity” (compared to reddit). You just don’t understand why we prefer it and are arguing instead of listening to people answer the question you asked.
I watched reddit grow for the 13 years I was active on it. I remember when it was small and just a forum like Something Awful and not the monster it became. I preferred that way. Lemmy is kinda similar to those early forums, but with its own idiosyncrasies. Be patient and wait to see if you like it, or fuckin leave, idc.
Best not give it a tenth day.
Among other things, it sounds like you’re conflating instances and communities. The instance is the server you connect to, the community is the group of posts you read, often on a number of different instances. You only need one person to make an instance, communities usually require more, unless you’re using Lemmy/Piefed to make a blog connected to a user base.
You’re measuring ‘success’ by quantity not quality, oblivious to the fact that 95% of that quantity of content is bot-driven ragebait.
The people here have who successfully managed the transition from Reddit never denied there was some good content on Reddit, they just got sick of having to wade through a river of shit to get to it.
If your Lemmy/PieFed experience so far is not what you hoped - make your own place with your own rules. Literally no one can stop you.
The problem is your unrealistic expectations by how you’re making it sound like just making an instance means automatic success of a community by denying the reality of just how active the general community as a whole is.
Sounds like you need to either find or make the community you want to see. Which in general, you can do (but some instances don’t let you make new communities I think), although it’s important to make the community on an instance whose policies are amenable to you.
And then if your community is worth going to, people will come.
I ran from a site whose CEO spread malicious lies about 3rd party app developers while changing things to charge them so much fir API access that it was effectively a soft ban on said apps existing without saying they were banned in top-tier scumminess, all so they could force people onto their shitty stolen buggy ad-infested app to crank up their own numbers for their IPO at the expense of the community and devs that propped them up.
I don’t see this happening on Lemmy.
It sounds to me like you’ve never been on a forum before reddit existed. Decentralized forums were a healthy proportion of the internet in the late 90s and early naughts.
Power-Tripping Mods, Gaslighting Users, Immature Moderators, 100 Rules to follow but contradicts itself .etc
This is everywhere. If the mods have big ego, then you can’t do anything with that.
I mean, the behavior of the community speaks for itself. They try so hard not being the thing they ran from three years ago, but in the midst of their attempt, they end up evolving into the very thing they ran from.
Welcome to the internet.
Its like they just didn’t like being on the platform of origin, promised they’d do better, then realizing how separated they are to where they just recreated it by instinct.
You can still host your own instance.
I can just go on and on and on. Oh and I don’t even care about this stupid debate that happened between .ML and .World because there’s virtually no difference and it is just nothing but a sissy online slapfight.
One’s waaay on the left (that’s what ml stands for - marxist-leninist) and the other is too general.
Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t think most of us came here to leave the community of Reddit, just the admins/corporate decisions.
Dumb rules and power tripping mods have been a thing across every community on the internet and will be forever.
Yeah but there’s a distinct difference and you can tell a Reddit-like way of moderating within a mile. They just can’t handle pretty much anything and they act moreso on their own personal belief, even believing their own interpretation of the rules they set up and expect people to follow than the actual reality of the matter.
A normal functioning moderator wouldn’t cater to every little pettiness and resort to prissy levels.
Unpaid moderators should have the freedom to act according to their personal preferences. If moderation becomes a problem, the platform’s federated structure facilitates creating alternative communities.
I think a bit of a problem is, how it only facilitates creating alternative communities. I mean it definitely does… And now we have 15 technology communities. But that in itself isn’t necessarily better. And it’s super confusing for beginners who now need to learn all the drama and find out whether they want to join technology, or technology, or tech or another technology… It’d be better if we somehow managed to go some extra mile with that kind of functionality. I have all the expert knowledge to tell apart the tankie community from the anti-zionist one, from the pro-AI one… But that regularly takes a good amount of experience and getting yelled at. And I can see how it can be a bit of a letdown for newbies. They might just want to get started with some Reddit alternative without all the identity war and confusing (and not obvious) fragmentation.
Less fragmentation is definitely better, so while the option to split is always there with more options than are available on Reddit, ideally communities should stay united to avoid dividing already small userbases.
