I used Mullvad for a long time, but hearing about one of the two CEOs actively supporting and financing swedish Nazis, I’m looking to put my money elsewhere. That’s the second one after Private Internet Access (who supported Gab).

I had AirVPN and Surfshark being recomnended, how do people here feel? What do you use?

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    ivpn and airvpn are my short list, but ivpn is not looking great for the southern hemisphere due to a lack of servers down here… Northern hemisphere they would be my top choice. I have contacted them a couple of times, and they have responded the same day, were helpful, and appear genuine.

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      Curious about the software? at least on linux, the gui is very, very dated and it doesn’t even have split tunnelling I would rather stick to a gui app. I haven’t looked at their android app yet.

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    Been using PIA for over a decade now. I started with them by paying with a random gift card I had laying around (Walmart maybe?) and have been paying with crypto ever since. They’ve never asked for any personal details (used a burner email address) and the service has been solid the entire time. Clients on Windows and Linux both work great and are open source with pretty decent documentation. In short, sometimes I want to reliably remain anonymous online and it has worked out well for me.

    I know that a lot of people here hate on PIA but I haven’t seen any justification. So if anyone here knows why I shouldn’t be using the service, I’d love to hear about it; I’d be happy to switch to something else if it works at least as well.

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        Thanks for the answer; I certainly don’t want to send any money to Israel, if possible. Does anyone have any recommendations for alternatives? I just have two requirements: I need the connection uptime to be rock solid. I also need to be able to register and pay completely anonymously. I’m not that concerned about bandwidth.

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        Does that matter if they have none of my data? I mean, they could log unencrypted traffic but for web browsing you should be forcing https wherever possible, so traffic logs would be mostly irrelevant. No doubt, they can see what you torrent but I can’t imagine it matters that much if they have no data about you. They could certainly build a fingerprint based on torrents and unencrypted traffic but I feel like it may be too weak to be relevant. Maybe people worry about using the official clients? But you don’t need to use them either, you can just establish a raw OpenVPN tunnel.

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          It’s an Israeli and US company. If anyone is somehow MITM snooping your TLS traffic, it’s them.

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      I use them on my nas for torrenting.

      • €5 per month.
      • Accepts payment in crypto, including monero.
      • Can only use your account on one device.
      • Only one location, Sweden.
      • Assigns dynamic IP address to indivdual user session and each IP address is only assigned to one user at a time.
      • Any port(s) can be opened.

      Most might consider it expensive give the limitation on devices and location but the freedom to open multiple ports makes it amazing for torrenting.
      My nas runs 5 instances of qbittorrent and slskd all with connectable ports opened.

      It works reliably for what I use it for. Other than that, I have nothing to report on my experience using them and in this case, no news is good news.

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          That’s a valid question and I have 5 different answers. Lol. It all built out over the last 5 years.

          I started with one instance and was raw-dogging the net but only using reputable private trackers (ie, teh cabal).
          On GGn I was seeding about 20,000 torrents (bulk of this was Linux isos for older retro computers).
          Every time ggn has stability issues (every fucking day), it would drag my entire torrent client down with it so I moved all my ggn torrents to their own instance to isolate that problem. That instance still struggled to handle so many torrents on such an unstable tracker so I split ggn across 2 instances.

          Then I found some things on public trackers I wanted to download and seed, the full dump of Redtopia being one example. So I created another instance that was routed through a VPN via gluetun to use on public trackers.

          And lastly I created one more instance to handle my porn stash.

          So that’s how I amassed 5 separate torrent clients on the same machine and more recently I moved to a different ISP who uses CGNAT and have decided that I am happy with cgnat and use a VPN that allows opening of ports to handle all my torrent clients.

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    I just dont get why anyone would willingly tunnel all their traffic to some party they dont know the inner workings of.

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        I get that, not an issue where I love but I do sympathize and understand where it affects others.

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      Because it’s only one point you don’t have to trust instead of every point along the way

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        That’s kind of like saying you want only amazon to deliver your packages instead of amazon, FedEx, ups, etc.

        In other words, a honeypot. Putting all your eggs in one basket.

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          It’s true that the point of failure in a VPN is the provider, which is why trusting the company is important.

          It’s also true that you definitely can’t trust your ISP and government so in the worst case scenario you just wasted $70.

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            Exactly. And seeing is believing, I’m not trusting some for profit corp with all my traffic data lol.

            Also some people dont know how to set up VPNs properly, I realize a lot have apps now but site to site seems to be an option on most. If you just clunk your way through without knowing what you’re doing, you potentially could be opening your whole network to them.

            No you can’t trust your ISP either. But this is why things like DNS over HTTPS and other protocols exist to encrypt everything. And if you’re going to that length with a VPN provider, you’re just throwing money away and no better off

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              isps in most places are required by law to record sitrs you visit

              if you use a vpn they just see you are connecting to the vpn, but the vpn can potentially see sites you visit

              so it comes down to deciding: do you trust your isp or the vpn provider. a lot of cases it will be the vpn provider

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    I had SurfShark years ago but really do not recommend them. Constant problems with all traffic just stopping and then I had to call someone up to cancel my subscription as there was no option online.

    Switched to AirVPN which I don’t see talked about much but it’s great. The Android app is looking a little dated (the icon in the app drawer is in a tiny circle because they have added support for adaptive icons still) but functionally I can’t complain.

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      I’ve been using Surfshark for over 8 years and don’t have any trouble like you mentioned. Then again, I have an ISP (Freedom Internet) I trust more than my VPN (even though i’ve not read anything bad about them) and use Surfshark only for region checks and torrenting on my NAS. I love the apps (for great on all platforms), speed and lots of exit points to choose from.

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      +1 for AirVPN. I’m a little worried of what happens if it becomes more mainstream (see what happened to mullvad and their port forwarding features), but they’re rock solid and still support port forwarding for p2p. They also do good black friday sales every year, you can get a steal on the 3yr package around that time.

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    there was an article today about the entire mullvad company being blindsided by this and a lot of people being upset. with any luck the guy will leave or get thrown out.

    also i think they’re technically nazbols.

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      This is likely true, but in the hacker news thread about this, the non Nazi cofounder was pretty defensive about what a great guy he was, and that there was just no way that him being a Nazi could ever effect Mullvad itself:

      Here’s one example, but these linked thread has more excuses hes made:

      kfreds 1 day ago | root | parent | next [–]

      I’m sorry to hear that. For what it’s worth I think there’s nuance in his decision that most people don’t see. Of course that doesn’t mean I think it was the right decision to make.

      Here’s something worth considering: why would someone whose ideal is open borders, who has been an animal rights activist, and someone who has led Mullvad for 17 years (with the track record it has), choose to donate to this party? If you like what Daniel and I have done together over the past 17 years, and now vehemently oppose his choice to make this donation, doesn’t that make you just a little bit curious?

      It made me curious. It didn’t change my ultimate stance, but it did temper my emotions about it.

      https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=kfreds

      That level of denial feels custom made for them to give him a pass and keep him onboard.

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        Time will tell, his response was what prompted me to request and receive my refund though. Either bad wording, or a bad attitude towards this.

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        when you’ve known someone personally for that long you’re bound to get defensive, i think. and the question is worth considering; why?

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          he could be a rational human about it and see that it’s bad for the brand. considering he was willing to work with a guy that actively dislikes what he did he may have a few braincells left.

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            That kinda seems unlikely to me. I’m certain that he’s aware that supporting ethnic cleansing (albeit not overtly violent) is not compatible with having customers.

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              He has most likely purchased himself control of, or at least a position within a right wing party. There is no coming back from that. For Mullvads sake he needs to move on, and soon.

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              they don’t tend to see it like that from my experience. but yeah the chance is slim.

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          I think “would take a lot” might be understating it.

          It’s likely he’d have to be bought out by the other guy with an attractive offer.

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            Or the other owner (Fredrik Strömberg) splits off and sets up his own vpn… Strömvad, or Mullberg, or MullStröm

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        I requested and received my refund with the aim to prompt this.

        Sitting on your hands suggests that you do not care about it. If they do not lose enough customers, why would anything change?

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        I’m giving it a week or two to see if anything happens while also researching alternatives

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          There are many options. It’s important to do some research on these options. It’s also important to know why you want to choose a certain provider. Check their Terms of Service and Privacy Policy at the very least. For now, I’m looking into IVPN.

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        Demanding a refund could add to the pressure though, you could always renew after he (hopefully) goes. I can’t get a refund since mine has just run out but I’m not making any long-term decisions until the dust has settled.

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          I totally agree! It’s just that I have two routers setup with them, running 24/7, and I have configured mom’s devices with my account and I don’t have the time to reconfigure all this with something else at the moment. 😩

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          Extracted with firefox reader mode and machine translated:

          Internal crisis at Mullvad: “Drags down the company” Jacob Lundberg 4–5 minutes

          Last week, Flamman was able to reveal that tech profile Daniel Berntsson is the main financier of the Örebro Party, which is running for parliament with demands for “large-scale remigration”.

          The news was presented to employees late on Friday evening, and according to several sources with insight, the information has led to an internal rebellion at the IT company Mullvad, where Berntsson is the owner and CEO.

          Around a quarter of the employees gathered in an internal chat over the weekend, where they aired criticism of both the donation and the company’s handling of the disclosure.

          “I was shocked and sad, and at first surprised,” writes an employee to Flamman.

          Another person says that it is both a “deep disappointment” and an “insult” to the company’s employees with a foreign background.

          Berntsson himself commented on the news to employees during a meeting on Monday, where employees were allowed to ask questions. Sources to Flamman described the atmosphere before the meeting as tense.

          To Flamman, Berntsson justified the donation with “resistance to corruption and dysfunction, creativity and the will to actually solve problems.” Regarding the party’s demand for “comprehensive remigration,” he said that it is needed in view of “today’s miserable situation.”

          Several sources tell Flamman that Berntsson has emphasized at recent staff meetings that there are dividing lines among employees in their views on immigration.

          “It was like a puzzle piece fell into place,” says an employee, after the revelation about the donation.

          Another source says that he has not seen anyone among the staff express support for the donation. At the same time, the chat group for critical discussion still only brings together a minority of the staff.

          However, another source believes that the critical group is probably larger.

          “I suspect that not everyone dares to show what they think and feel,” he writes to Flamman.

          The employees are critical of the donation for several reasons, including that many of the employees themselves are immigrants and “take this very personally.”

          Several employees also point out that the Örebro Party’s attitude towards surveillance is at odds with Mullvad’s, as they have advocated increasing the number of surveillance cameras and enabling secret wiretapping in the hunt for criminals.

          “Many of the staff believe that this disqualifies Daniel as the leader of a company like Mullvad,” the source writes.

          The person also says that many have applied to Mullvad for ethical reasons, that the management’s handling of the issue “definitely damaged trust” among the staff, and that several employees “in light of the donation are considering quitting”. One person says that they will “look around for alternatives”.

          “My trust in the leadership is at rock bottom”, says a third person.

          The source also says that they see no other way forward than for Daniel Berntsson to step down as CEO. However, another employee sees it as unlikely that Berntsson, who owns 50 percent of the company, will step down on his own. At the meeting, he is also said to have rejected the idea.

          “My guess is that he will stay just as before. If you look at how the official response is worded, it is about Mullvad standing for freedom of opinion. They are trying to emphasize that it is something he did as a private person, and that it is therefore not so bad.”

          However, the person remains critical:

          “It’s one thing to have opinions that don’t match mine, but to make such a gigantic donation without realizing that he is bringing down both himself, Mullvad as a company and all employees at the same time. It makes me doubt his ability as CEO and manager.”

          Flamman has sought out Daniel Berntsson.

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    List of vpns not to use

    NordVPN

    Facebook Onavo

    ExpressVPN

    Private Internet Access

    Everything Kape Technologies

    HolaVPN

    PureVPN

    ZenMate

    CyberGhost

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    Being in the proton ecosystem I use their VPN, and it’s been working great thus far.

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    I use Proton but I’m also in their ecosystem (ie, I also pay for ProtonMail and get the rest of their suite alongside it)

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      Wasn’t Proton’s CEO in some hot water a year or so ago, or was that a bunch of hooey? I know it’s impossible to find an ethical CEO, but just curious.

      …sure I could look it up, but my phone battery sucks and it helps boost activity.

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        he is a trump fan, not sure of other ethical issues, at least for the ceo himself.

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        He made a couple of supportive tweets about a Trump anti-trust appointment (who was later fired by Trump) and the Republican Party that offended some people, mainly the American left. People seem to forget that he is not American, nor is Proton an American company, so none of this actually means anything. He cannot vote, he and his company do not fund the American right in any way and he is not someone with a huge online presence, so it’s unlikely he has much influence.

        More recently a far right influencer in France signed up for Proton’s affiliate program and promoted Proton on his channel, which led to some misleading claims about Proton “funding Nazis”. Proton immediately removed him from the affiliate program upon being notified of this and apologised for what it claims was an oversight.

        Personally I’m very sick of the purity tests and cancel culture on the left and wish people would slow down a bit and really consider whether these “controversies” are actually worth burning it all down for. Proton provides mainstream, easy to use alternatives to big tech and is better existing than not. Its VPN is also one of the few that retains port forwarding, which can be useful for piracy. After the attempts to cancel Proton, the left hard shilled for Mullvad and now it turns out that’s objectively worse in terms of its political influencing. Mullvad is another company that does more good in the world than bad, are we going to cancel it too?

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          you keep referring to “the left” which means you are on “the right” so…

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            Joined 28 days ago, entire comment history is anti-Proton disinformation and shilling for competitors. Fascinating.

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          “Why do Americans care if Ford supports Hitler, he’s not even German!”

          Interesting combination of lies and unironic use of “cancel culture” in the rest of the nonsense btw.

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            You guys don’t even bother pretending to be sane these days. It’s just mask off from the first reply with the Hitler comparisons that used to be considered a joke in more normal times.

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          And doubled down then changed their comments as if the way back machine doesn’t exist in order to backtrack without having to admit they were wrong.

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          Technically it is true, it makes easier to spread their propaganda in other countries by using bots.

          So some of anti-age verification agenda is generated by russia and china etc. to make easier to create bot accounts.

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      Same boat, really don’t want to keep supporting them, because of the reasons others have mentioned. But I have something like four or five emails, not to mentioned hundreds of relays, it would be really hard to lose if I ditched them as my provider.

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      Same here, the cost is just way more worth it if you already pay for other Proton services.

      Does seem like IVPN is closer to Mullvad in how it works though for people who just want to pay for a VPN separately. No email needed for an account, similar price, open-source clients. Also debubks misinformation used by VPN peddlers to convince people to buy VPNs who don’t need one.