I think ties have fallen out of fashion. At least in business dress. Button up shirt, nice slacks and a sport coat, all tailored. You have to specify black tie if you want people in fancy dress.
Designer clothes are designed clothes. The pretentiousness of looking like you have money was still there, just people do it differently now. You don’t scream “money” by wearing a suit you could’ve got tailored at Macy’s. There’s douchebag designer shit you can wear where it’s clear you spent a lot on it, and people recognize it.
Clothes and dressing nice has always had a pretentious side. Some people used to just be showing off they could afford a suit and nice clothes. Now it doesn’t mean as much. You show off you can afford to spend extra money on designer jeans.
Last time I went for a fancy dinner I wore jeans and a work shirt. And that was like a $350 dinner. I’m paying for the view not to be judged for my dress.
But why would you dress fancy for a hotel? Most of the time it’s just less comfortable than jeans and a t-shirt. Not to mention the cost of dressing fancy.
Sure, but why? What is the point in wearing decent clothes when other clothes are often quite a lot more comfortable. I’m not here to impress people with my clothes, I’m here to get on with my day/holiday/escort, not brighten some hotel lobby with an expensive suit.
That just used to be the social norms in the past. At one point, it was expected that you had to wear a hat when going outdoors by default. When we were young we used to tie an onion to our belt, which was the style at the time. Things change over time.
Depends on the clothes. It’s not that I feel physically uncomfortable in a suit, just often socially uncomfortable. However a good suit is often more comfortable than jeans and a holey t-shirt physically. It’s soft, well made and fitted material. It shouldn’t be super uncomfortable.
The Plaza isn’t the Hilton Garden Inn. It’s a Fairmont hotel, and people 100% go there just for food, drinks, afternoon tea, the spa, etc.
Also, you need to book reservations for a lot of that stuff well in advance. Those things are frequently booked up and used by a fuck ton of people who are not hotel guests.
Nobody dresses fancy anymore.
Thank you for proving my point
I would dress fancy if the world were worthy of it.
Realistically, it costs about the same to dress up as to dress casually.
In my humble opinion, when a person dresses nicely they are saying that they feel worth the effort.
Are you a trust fund kid or what? This couldn’t be more false.
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Those pants look nice, and last a long time.
I can get a collared shirt for less than the price of a concert T-shirt.
If you expect them to dress up for no reason, sure.
Go where people actually have a reason to care and you’ll find them…
It is expected to dress up for high end dining…. Even when traveling. It’s not “no reason”
That’s the point OP is making. Nobody is dressing up.
Last time I went to a nice restaurant, my wife and I were the only ones dressed nicely.
She wore a nice dress, I wore a shirt & tie; the entire rest of the restaurant was enjoying $75 entrees in designer athlesiure outfits.
I think ties have fallen out of fashion. At least in business dress. Button up shirt, nice slacks and a sport coat, all tailored. You have to specify black tie if you want people in fancy dress.
Only 75 dollars? Where did you go? Olive Garden?
Designer clothes are designed clothes. The pretentiousness of looking like you have money was still there, just people do it differently now. You don’t scream “money” by wearing a suit you could’ve got tailored at Macy’s. There’s douchebag designer shit you can wear where it’s clear you spent a lot on it, and people recognize it.
Clothes and dressing nice has always had a pretentious side. Some people used to just be showing off they could afford a suit and nice clothes. Now it doesn’t mean as much. You show off you can afford to spend extra money on designer jeans.
Last time I went for a fancy dinner I wore jeans and a work shirt. And that was like a $350 dinner. I’m paying for the view not to be judged for my dress.
But why would you dress fancy for a hotel? Most of the time it’s just less comfortable than jeans and a t-shirt. Not to mention the cost of dressing fancy.
Look at pictures from back in the day.
People used to wear suits and ties / dresses and jewelry if they were going out to dinner, or getting on an airplane.
Also, the Plaza is a very expensive hotel. If someone can afford to spend the night here they can afford decent clothes.
Sure, but why? What is the point in wearing decent clothes when other clothes are often quite a lot more comfortable. I’m not here to impress people with my clothes, I’m here to get on with my day/holiday/escort, not brighten some hotel lobby with an expensive suit.
That just used to be the social norms in the past. At one point, it was expected that you had to wear a hat when going outdoors by default. When we were young we used to tie an onion to our belt, which was the style at the time. Things change over time.
Depends on the clothes. It’s not that I feel physically uncomfortable in a suit, just often socially uncomfortable. However a good suit is often more comfortable than jeans and a holey t-shirt physically. It’s soft, well made and fitted material. It shouldn’t be super uncomfortable.
You sound pretentious.
That’s not what ‘pretentious’ means.
If anything, I sound elitist
You sound insufferable
The truth can hurt, so yes, I suppose you could be suffering.
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because nobody goes to hotels just to spend time at the hotel anymore. because nobody can afford to.
The Plaza isn’t the Hilton Garden Inn. It’s a Fairmont hotel, and people 100% go there just for food, drinks, afternoon tea, the spa, etc.
Also, you need to book reservations for a lot of that stuff well in advance. Those things are frequently booked up and used by a fuck ton of people who are not hotel guests.