Same. Gotta step up my game. Fuck tesseract. I’ve seen what they want and I don’t want it to include me
I’m new here, what is this research blacklist?
Context?
Wish me luck.
I don’t want to bother with finding out.
You got regexed.
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I am jealous :(
It’s a sign you don’t post enough. This includes myself.
I haven’t posted much, and yet…
Same!
Let’s start a new list called the “would have been on the first list if they knew about me” list
Good idea, I’m in!
Free Palestine!!!
Does tesseract dev support Israel?
Not to speak for them, but my understanding is they abhor all calls to violence… And paradoxically, supporting Palestinian freedom is maybe a call to violence?
I don’t want to make claims that don’t exist, but that’s how I could explain them blocking statements like this.
And to be clear, yes, free Palestine!
In all fairness, genocidal states are rarely overthrown peacefully
Wasn’t Admiral Patrick one of the devs that got caught upvoting all the Zionist propoganda posts like a year and a half ago? I wished I saved that thread. None of the most egregious Zionists accounts are on the ban list even though they are very abrasive and political extremists. I wouldn’t be surprised if the rest was just a cover for that.
Using the word Zionist or the Epstein Class hides your comment :/ and I swear every account that’s critical of Israel is on that list.
I’m still trying to understand what the hell Tessaract is… I’ve only moved over Lemmy in the last two weeks. Before I was banned on Reddit there was also something everyone was angry about different reddit apps.
I’ve never understood any of this… I just want to talk to people, read silly shit and annoy everyone.
Bro reddit banned me too. I just decided I’m done this time, not gonna bother creating a new account this time. They can sit there and circlejerk , I’m finally on a good lemmy app and there are no ads.
Yep 100% agree.
It’s basically just a front end. Like a stylesheet. It should do nothing but display the existing data in certain ways.
At least that’s what they’re supposed to be. This person decided to force their own views on everyone who uses it without disclosing that it’s doing that.
I’m still trying to understand what the hell Tessaract is
Someone else explain it by using an analogy:
“Think of it like email” is enough to explain 90% of the fediverse.
Perchance I can join the list 🥺?👉👈
In all seriousness: how did they think it was a good idea to create a blacklist when a sizable chunk of the Fediverse is so against external interference in general? Did they not see this coming?
They did. Why else would they hide it?
the question mark only means the first emoji is optional. If you explicitly add it the RegExp unfortunately doesn’t match it anymore and you will forever be a rightist or whatever
In all fairness many lemmy mods are assclowns and ban for no reason similarly.
Yup, using the Lemmy modding tools so it shows up on the modlog.
This was done in secret and for other instances without their consent.
What was the criteria for getting on the list?
Being trans, being leftist, opposing genocide, demanding consequences for crimes against humanity.
You know, “violent extremist” stuff.
how come I didn’t get notified that I was on the list tho
love how literally everyone on lemmy is clowning on tesseract and that mofo
Got tesserekt lmao
Its one of those moments which just makes you really happy to be here
Just know that everyone on that list is a violent extremist including me
What the fuck did violet do to make the list?
I feel like one of the things he said was that he blacklisted people who “regularly post things normal people don’t want to see” (or something along those lines). I assumed that was a blanket statement to cover Violet and anyone else whose posts have made him feel uncomfortable.
What an absolute snowflake.
How do I apply for the list
At this point they should just have a whitelist, that’s a hell of a list! There’s some users I recognise from my instance who are chill so I can’t imagine how they ended up on this list.
Goddamn I’m not just banned as a user, I’m banned as a specific userRegex. That makes me 2x more extremist than the average banned user.
Get on my level you losers.
I’m also under userRegex. What does that designation mean exactly?
It means that any user with that username on any instance will be blocked. No matter if you’re on lemmy.world, piefed.zip or asldkfjalsdifjlasdf.mobi.
Ah, thanks. That’s what I thought, but as this is my only Lemmy account it seemed like overkill
Am an average joe, and i also got banned via regex.
So you are not thaat extremist, just an average joe level extremist
Tesseract users losing access to your comments is a realitaetsverlustverlust 🤪
I don’t get it. Is this some personal vendetta the dev has? Have they really been in this many internet arguments? Where did this list come about and why?
Here’s their full explanation: https://lemmy.world/post/49817942
It’s pretty long and includes some insightful details about implementation (making the blocklist’s usage at the discretion of the instance admin though not transparent of its contents and defaulting it to enabled) but this quote boils down the underlying sentiment pretty well:
“These are all rough edges of the threadiverse which I am attempting to round off so we might actually be able to retain some level headed people instead of scraping the bottom of the barrel by being a dumping ground for people rejected by civil society."
When you examine the list, by and large, it’s pretty reasonable. Lots of false news, state propaganda, spammers, etc. But also the entire lemmy.blahaj.zone instance (where many of lemmy’s trans denizens call home). We’re included in what the lead developer describes as “bottom of the barrel” “people rejected by civil society.”
Though I do fear the backlash. You’ve got a bunch of malicious spammers, hate-mongers and blackhat state actors who now have an open window to cause a lot of harm (harassment & general sowing of discontent) with the convenient smoke screen of upset trans folks who it can be blamed on.
You’re assuming his apologia is not disingenuous. The notes he added in the commit messages and the extent to which he blocked users who were indirectly implicated in his accusations don’t line up with his explanations.
There’s also the fact that much of it is caught under a very broad net of “promoting violence” without any examples provided of what constitutes such a thing. He used that exact explanation to justify banning blahaj.zone, where he said that some users did so and the admins did not act on it, which prompted him to blacklist the entire instance and the admins specifically.
This isn’t even getting into the intentional inaccuracies about the nature of his “Toxic Mode”, or his entire rant on db0 which is not only dishonest and weirdly personal, but also straight up lying about what happened and why. There’s zero way to say that exposing his blacklist is “going Karen” like he did, and it’s a straight lie to say that nobody had a problem with his blacklisting until db0 complained when the situation is that db0 made the existence of the blocklist known.
The philosophy of federation is that such whims should be openly handled on the federation level, not in a secret blacklist of a front end that was openly available to all.
“These are all rough edges of the threadiverse which I am attempting to round off
I’m a rough edge!
All of this shit falls flat when the dev themself admits they hid the feature to disable deep in the app and even called it “toxic mode”. Is saying “perchance” toxic? Because that’s one of their blocked phrases. Fuck no, it’s not. This is just shit the personally dislike and put it in under the guise of making the fediverse more normie friendly.
As if silently hiding content with phrases like “perchance” and causing a massive drama makes the fediverse more normie friendly.
I’ll give a short description of the long post.
also, I have to call him not just a dumbass but a malicious dumbass.
“Someone leaked the list. Why am I on it??”
A: The list was never hidden just not advertised (lest people game it). I also could have encrypted it, but I merely compressed it for efficiency. If you’re on the list, then one of the 10 reasons above applies.
the file in question was placed obscurely. updated without directly calling out what it was. and published without notifying users.
seems a lot of effort went into obfuscating the true purpose of the file.
while on the subject of obfuscation. he claimed he “compressed it for efficiency”.
he compressed it, then base64 encoded it. why? why compress it to only expand the size of the file by encoding it??
@ptz@dubvee.org is a dumbass and a shitty dev if he thinks any of the bullshit he said was worth the time it took to say it.
This shit is rich
I did [bad thing]. I could have done [worst thing], but I didn’t.
We’re included in what the lead developer describes as “bottom of the barrel” “people rejected by civil society.”
That’s fucked up. And he’s the self-appointed “nice” [secret]police? Yikes.
Really? I’m malicious spammer, hate-monger or blackhat state actor? News to me, but good to know.
Though I do fear the backlash. You’ve got a bunch of malicious spammers, hate-mongers and blackhat state actors who now have an open window to cause a lot of harm (harassment & general sowing of discontent) with the convenient smoke screen of upset trans folks who it can be blamed on.
Don’t worry I’m on that list too. I’m just a grumpy reddit refugee. Apparently I’m an extreme violent leftist terrorist, so
¯\(ツ)/¯
I know, I think it’s funny. But someone has to call out the guy who’s agreeing with Admiral Patrick and always seems to have a space/star trek themed name. Either an excellent shit poster that I get to set up, or it’s one of their buddies/alts.
Yeah that comment was about you specifically. Sorry you had to find out that way
some personal vendetta
Seems like it’s hubris / arrogance - a poorly considered attempt to create some kind of ideal social experience.
They thought they could covertly silence leftists and trans people. Par for the course with bigoted fascists.
It seems they want to silence any kind of hate speech, so I guess some hateful leftists or aggressive trans people (as few as there may be) felt discriminated.
Hate speech is speech encouraging/justifying violence based on inherent characteristics, such as race, gender, sexuality, etc, not just speech you hated lmao.
Been reading up on it a bit, yeah, seems to be the case indeed. Shame it went that way for them.
They posted an explanation in the tesseract community, but it boils down to they want the fediverse to succeed and replace reddit, but there is a contingent of toxic users that they feel is hindering that goal so they precompiled a list for new instance admins.
It’s fully optional and can easily be disabled in the UI
Honestly, with this block list, what’s actually left in terms of content? That list would surely account for half this platform’s traffic or more.
Yeah it’s not for me either, but I also believe that people have a right to not have other’s speech or behavior forced upon them, which is kind of exactly what ActivityPub was created to facilitate and what separates it from corporate platforms.
It is not fully optional. It was obfuscated and unremovable. That’s why the backlash has been so severe.
Not to mention, why should a user interface make that decision? That’s up to individual server admins and their userbase.
Fully agree on the weirdness that this would somehow be the concern of a frontend. Nah brh. Very strange.
The author offers a lengthy explanation in their own words as to precisely why this was done. TLDR: people are free to stop using it, but he’s making these changes because he wants to offer this service on behalf of those who don’t enjoy all the toxicity here.
Your TLDR reeeeeeealllllly buries the lede.
Fair, I guess that was more my own take-away from it than summary! :-P
Eh, I guess my opinion is somewhat colored by seeing some of the things they decided to block. Like “perchance” stood out. None of that specific information was in this post.
Lmfao. I didn’t make it more than a few paragraphs because it’s written with the maturity of a 10 year old in a chocolate sausage museum.
You can really tell they’re up for an honest and open conversation with the community, really trying to improve the Fediverse, with their locking of all comments.
He’s clearly the toxic one and is projecting his issues onto hundreds of others.
people are not “free to stop using it” if the instance admin is using it.
honestly I don’t even give a fuck about me being on “the list” anymore. I’m more upset that he decided for hundreds if not thousands of users without consulting them or taking into consideration of their opinions.
he took the choice away from them, and that’s kind of the problem with tech anymore.
@ptz@dubvee.org is a scammy piece of shit that got caught and is attempting to do damage control now.
don’t his users and his users users deserve transparency?
Yes they do but the irony present in your reply is palpable.
Incels upon being told no simply create an alt to evade bans.
Tesseract bans them anyway.
WoN’t SoMeOnE pLeAsE tHiNk oF tHe
childrenBaN eVaDeRs?!Sadge :-(
I think you missed the point.
I won’t bother wasting my time explaining it, I’ll just block you.
because I have the choice to do that
Lol. TIL I’m a violent extremist. Me. Boring, professional, suit wearing, family of four having, generic white guy.
The world this guy lives in must be truly weird.
Boring, professional, suit wearing, family of four having, generic white guy.
That is like the quintessential serial killer description by his neighbors.
“It’s the quiet ones you gotta watch” -George Carlin
I mean, to be fair, here is that entire paragraph for context:
As will be explained further, there are 10 rules that are enforced, the biggest one being a very basic “don’t be a violent extremist”. That’s probably 30% of the list. Another 50% are just alts of Dwazou (persistent, long-term ban evader), and the remaining 20% just garden-variety spammers and toxic people who scare the normies away.
Based on this, it is much more likely that you are an alt of Dwazou. (Or maybe I am? 🤪 Statistically, between the three of us, you me and the author, ONE of us must be!!)
Why are you talking to yourself? /j
Maybe we both are. I’m not sure we’d know…
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THAT list is able to be disabled, though people are mad about its discoverability and transparency.
The OTHER list, the smaller instance-level one, reportedly cannot be disabled, seemingly the only recourse for those instances on it are to use his fork of the code.
This is from db0’s reporting, I have not attempted to confirm personally, but I would be happy to be corrected if need be.
hey you wanna eat some random shit
Holy fuck I made the list wow
Hey, thanks. I had heard about the list but didn’t know where to find it. Turns out I’m on it, too. Badge of honor.
Same. I even got a whole ass regex.
Yeah, I didn’t know I had it in me! Death to Zionism. Such violence.
s/ism/ists/g
oops, made a violence
I’m on a list. This is a big day for me.
First read as violet extremist and thought the blacklist was about armpit lickers.
Adding to my vernacular.👅
I’m not on the list, and have been thinking if they want to curate their instance/app whatever it was that’s their right.
But “Jessi?e Welle?s” is on the list? I get he’s political, but if you don’t like what he’s saying I think I’d rather associate with the people on the list because if they’re being put next to Jessie they’re probably good people.
Proof it,or shut up. /s
Maaaan guess I need to post more
Not a single SDF user? I guess we’re a peaceful bunch
Nah I got a regex on the list and I used to post as an SDF user (same name).
no 40 checking in!
Tesseract dev: “I made a list of people who willfully misconstrue things to create drama and play the victim”.
people on that list: “OHH WOW SO I’M A VIOLENT EXTREMIST NOW???”
Are you trying to create drama and play the victim while complaining about other people supposedly creating drama and playing the victim?
They have a cure for that, it’s called fucking off.
im no victim i’m the winner here lol
Winners are well-regarded for doing everything you’re doing.
nice
Cunt
TIL the wholesome yuri community are violent extremists.
you learned that? where?
did you read the devs reply?, He definitely wasn’t saying this was for annoying people who misconstrue things
As will be explained further, there are 10 rules that are enforced, the biggest one being a very basic “don’t be a violent extremist”. That’s probably 30% of the list. Another 50% are just alts of Dwazou (persistent, long-term ban evader), and the remaining 20% just garden-variety spammers and toxic people who scare the normies away.
I’m not an alt of dwazou, or a spammer so guess that just leaves violent extremist.
To the fascist nazi scumbag, “violent extremist” means anyone that opposes genocide, anyone that has espoused consequences for murder, torture, and oppression, or anyone that has ever made fun of Charlie “Goebbels” Kirk.
IIRC they said that who is on the list is either extremist or toxic
yeah not putting up with assholes is toxic, didn’t you know
Some even proudly so, from the looks of things:-P.
they’re allowed lol
smug levels off the charts. gross.
Honestly, incels have a greater need than normies for a space on the internet where they can be as toxic as they like. On account of nobody willing to listen to them irl… 🤣
It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society
They already have Twitter and Reddit!
And Twitch (where “sadge” derives from, according to my Google-fu), and Tiktok, and Instagram, and don’t forget Lemmy, and… but the thing is, when you’ve been banned from ALL of those, where else do you go next, other than a free instance with an open sign-up policy? 🤪
Why i’m not in the list? So unfair. 😔
I’m not on the list. But I’m banned from Reddit, so I got that going for me, which is nice.
I left reddit before they started extreme ban hammer , and i didn’t make the tesseract list. Wtf am i even doing with my life?
Have you checked the Dubvee ban logs? You might have been banned there years ago with even knowing it. Without even having known that instance existed. If that will make you feel any better. Happened to me. Through some weird automated ban sync process. Now I’ve learned the Dubvee admin is the tesseract dev who did all this, I didn’t even bother checking if I’m on the list. I’m feeling pretty hipster about all this.
Not only are you on the list, you have an instance-agnostic regex. Congratulations, you are likely a good person.
Now I’ve learned the Dubvee admin is the tesseract dev who did all this
Oh, that’s why they’d exclude modabuse communities
Meanwhile I have no idea what everyone is talking about. “Tesseract” huh? Guess I go outside too much…
sweet, I’m on the list
I take this as a good sign
So what does this mean? I’m shadowbanned for some Lemmy users because I’m too leftist?
Yes. Anyone and anything on the blocklist will be shadowbanned for anyone using the Tesseract frontend.
Tesseract was a frontend for lemmy. Think of lemmy posts as emails, and the front end as your email client like outlook/gmail/etc. Normally you would expect your email client to show you your emails. But tesseract basically implemented a shadow ban list on users, communities, and phrases. And all of this was invisible to the server admins who hosted the tesseract frontend for their users. If you were banned by tesseract then people using that front ends just wouldn’t see your post’s, but you wouldn’t show as banned in the tesseract UI. In the email example this is the equivalent of your gmail seeing you said “fuck ice” a year ago and now it’ll let you send emails but not actually deliver them for people to read. But it wasn’t just “fuck ice” it was a whole bunch of things like criticizing moderators, left and right wing ideas. And GirlsFrontline (anime style game) was banned but not porn. Just weird. And it did all of this by loading the ban list as obfuscated code at runtime so just zero transparency all around.
If someone wanted to make a less extreme lemmy then they could be open about their front end goals and not try to hide it like a punk ass bitch
Being a loser. Git gud bro. (Jk I’m also not on the list and I’m not aware of being banned on reddit but I left before the extreme ban hammer too)
Hell yea fam. I checked the other day and my banned account is still a mod on numerous subs I modded. Nice to know my homies left me there.
same. not on the list and got temporary banned today lol
Cause you a real 1
