*select*
*middle mouse button click*
It’s a UX issue. Ctrl+c has no feedback to the user.
It’s also just a Windows issue because it doesn’t recognize that I pressed control c sometimes
Not a windows only thing, I have a Mac and I end up pressing command+c 20 times too
It is absolutely a windows 11 clipboard issue, which fails silently ALL OF THE TIME.
Yeah sometimes it just types a space. Like where did it get that from I have never in my entire life copied a single space character.
You press ctrl+c 20 times. I press ctrl +x then ctrl +v once. We are not the same
And then ctrl-z a bunch of times because fuckfuckfuck
…. control-shift-v
that is all
I wish there was a way of making that the default behavior, I spent so much time removing random formatting that people have inserted into excel documents.
CoPilot likes to come in and tell me about all of the errors in the spreadsheet, but it’s really clunky and slow so it’s often easier to just fix them manually, it never fixes formatting issues the stupid thing.
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yypppppppppppWhy not yy11p eh!
Not nearly as satisfying
I disagree, executing obscure commands like that makes me feel extra smug
I mean, I wouldn’t call yank and paste with a count modifier obscure but it is the best way to minimize keystrokes.
Hah!
Ah, a fellow golfer, I see.
M-w
Don’t you mean ctrl + shift + c if in terminal and ctrl+c elsewhere
On Mac, iterm has a highlight to copy feature that I love and miss when I have to use someone else’s mac
can you tell me more about that “ctel” modifier key. I haven’t seen that anywhere else
Middle Click Paste Linux Master Race!
This is a huge problem in windows now and it never used to be.
Everything Microsoft does seems to degrade that shit OS daily.
it pisses me off so much. literally every month some new feature/bug is added to critical software that we use and which results in clearly quantifiable wasted time, money, and stress
the ctrl+c issue alone has cost the company a few thousand dollars in the past year from the few cases I can think of off the top of my head. there’s a bit of software that we use where we need to enter the information that exists in one field into another field. obviously copy paste is the way to do this, it’s simple and it should work, right? except the program is built on Access and has its own problems on top of Windows fucking everything up. so what happens is people paste the previous copy into the new field instead of the newly-attemped copy. and that results in people spending hundreds of dollars to order the wrong part. bc the fucking software is garbage to interact with.
The one that pisses me off is when remote desktop randomly decides that the clipboard isn’t going to sync over anymore.
I’ll never understand why successful companies can’t just keep printing money, but give in to the insatiable desire to enshittify.
AI is starting to bear its true fruits.
nvim packs the most essential features 😍
FACT.
Does anyone here know why it’s unreliable?
It wasn’t always like this.
I swear every version of Windows between 3.11 and XP was 100% reliable. Then it just started… slipping.
What’s weird is that it often works on the second try.
If you’ve ever looked at windows desktop application source code (shudder) they have all this wacky shit around event handling in their native C/C++ APIs, which is a lot less clean that what you typically see in other languages / platforms which do similar event handling. It wouldn’t surprise me if that shit is hacky and buggy as fuck on the OS side of that implementation too.
So this would be your ctrl-c press event, and whatever handler code.
Though it’s been like 20 years since I looked at some of this. Maybe it’s better now, but somehow I doubt it.
Microsoft screwing up something as simple as an event listener is peak Microsoft
Because your company makes you use Azure Virtual Desktop to connect to a VM and AVD’s clipboard handling is as unreliable as anything else from Microsoft?
I have to connect to remote PC then from that connect to another remote PC then from that connect to another remote PC and then finally log in. I have to enter the same password like six times. It’s a miracle anything syncs across that mess
That’s a sensible theory for when this happens at work (it’s Citrix in my case).
I’d swear it happens at home on Windows 10 as well, though. Maybe I am pressing it wrong sometimes. Either way, the meme is spot on for me.
In my case it’s mostly that browsers and as such also electron Apps unfocus textboxes when the window is unfocused for seemingly no reason, sometimes without giving visual indication meaning that I need to reselect it to copy it.
I have unconfirmed theories.
- My C and V key are literally the most worn keys on my keyboard. The letters are completely worn off, they’re by far my most used keys. That amount of use probably makes the contacts degrade and less reliable.
- Windows 10 (I think?) introduced a “fancy clipboard” with history and multi paste and generally made it an “app”. In my experience the fancier it is the more failure points, since it’s no longer just a simple OS memory buffer, it has its own application logic.
- Since it’s a global hotkey, the OS has to:
- Handle the interrupt
- Query the currently active window / application for a “copy” output of the currently highlighted context
- Wait for a response
- Place that response into a buffer of some sort
- In a highly volatile asynchronous UI where the user can alt tab at any time, I imagine often what happens is that you just didn’t wait long enough for the data to actually copy. Pressing CTRL+C would be equivalent in reliability as waiting 2 seconds, but it’s more fun to press the button a bunch
Handle the interrupt
For better or worse, usb devices need to be polled by the computer all the time, instead of delivering interrupts at the moment of input events. I’m baffled by this fact, but am not versed in hardware design well enough to weigh pros and cons. I assume that the polling is handled by the usb controller, though.
Query the currently active window / application for a “copy” output of the currently highlighted context
Place that response into a buffer of some sort
To my vague knowledge, the various GUIs all request content from the owner of the selection at the moment of pasting, i.e. ctrl-v — presumably both to avoid storing large swathes of pictures and such, and to allow conversion to the target format on the fly. However, iirc some environments require defining the available formats when content is copied, so idk how this meshes with that. I’m not a desktop programmer, so not entirely sure. Perhaps it’s just to simplify copying for the programmer of the source app, instead of exposing the whole innards.
In a highly volatile asynchronous UI where the user can alt tab at any time, I imagine often what happens is that you just didn’t wait long enough for the data to actually copy.
Properly, any input event would be delivered to the app (or rather the UI element) that was active at the time of the event — and presumably the OS UI runs at a higher priority for that. However, in practice it seems to be a toss-up as to whether it really works like this.
Thanks, that’s interesting - I hadn’t thought about the window messages responding to update the all clipboard
It’s odd to me that the paste is almost never the previous clipboard value - it’s basically always null
Windows.
Because copy and paste started bring over formatting.
If you do control shift V, it removes it and is much more reliable.
No that’s not what I mean (plus it doesn’t work most of the time, either). It’s the copying that often fails for me, which I only notice when I paste and realize “wait a minute, these are the previous contents of the clipboard.”
Probably just because you typed C + Ctrl by accident.
Nah that’s not at all how that hand movement works. It’s always rest on Ctrl and then find C for me. It would also type “C” over the highlighted text, which would be very noticeable.
Yeah, I guess it would type a C.
Maybe your keyboard lacks NKRO and your cat was sitting on 6 other keys? =P
I wish I had a cat. 🐱😍
Mouse highlight -> middle mouse click
No. This is the dumbest UX decision anyone has ever made, and I will die on this hill. The keyboard is for text, and the mouse is used for navigation. Anything else, is a bastardization dreamt up by mad men.
If you’re using your mouse to highlight it already then it makes sense to paste with it.
But my computer has two different clipboards :)
vim has 48 “clipboards”, but how many people use more than one? how many people get frustrated when they accidentally use the non-default one?
People who make use of macros would be using more than one. I make use of some of the various registers from time to time, but I’d have to be doing something pretty extreme to run out of letters.
I mean I use at least two; one for vim and a second one mapped to my system clipboard. But I’ll often yank to other buffers when I’m deep in a project, sometimes you don’t want to lose something you’re gonna be pasting throughout a document.
What do you think the middle click should do?
Selecting text to automatically copy it, and then pasting it with the middle mouse button is clearly the superior method.
They aren’t prepared for the ancient texts
Vim has entered the chat
vwypYou mean
ywp? You don’t need visual mode for a single motion lolBurn the witch!!!
Meanwhile in Excel copy-paste is basically wired in with hopes and dreams
(Microsoft bullshit survival tip: You can start a new instance of Excel by right clicking it’s icon and, while holding alt the whole time, selecting something to open (“New workbook” or w/e shows up on the right click menu this week…). This separates the action history, so ctrl+z no longer jumps between workbooks.)
“These two columns… I see what you’re doing here, I’ll just continue that formula down ok?”
Great! How about this table? Can we copy this bit here and move it to-
“Your honor I have never seen this man in my life, I don’t speak English, and I think he’s threatening me.”
A nightmare is a kind of dream, I guess.
Scroll wheel too.
Oh god YES
It’s even worse in LibreOffice
Where’s CTRL + INSERT, SHIFT + INSERT
I’ve been stubbornly using that for years but eventually the convenient placement of c/v won me over.
And shift + del for cut, if I remember correctly.
thank you.
And here is someone who has absolutely at some point in history modified the source code to GORILLAS.BAS.
Hey! It doesn’t mean we’re that ol…fuck.
I haven’t thought about chucking explosive bananas in years.
Edit: And now I’m remembering “Nibbles”!
Hell yeah! That takes me back!
Watch out this person has computers that still have insert keys!
Don’t they all? Maybe not tkl boards, but maybe via fiction key like on some laptops?
Laptops mostly that keep having keys being removed.
Ah yes the function key.
That key nobody ever uses.
Sometimes I accidentally press the function key on my work-mandated Mac.
For some reason, it brings up a window full of emoji. Cmd+w doesn’t close it and cmd+q quits whatever application I actually wanted to be using.
I hate it.
