If we’re to fix this, they both gotta go
Actions shout down words. They’re not going to win back working men until they have supported them consistently for a generation. So, not for at least a couple of generations.
It took 34 years to get to this point, it will take a few generations, if they are even around, to win back trust. My money is on them being the dominant openly right wing party before then
Look kiddo, the adults in the room know that if you keep voting for the lesser of two evils, they’ll eventually feel guilty and give you some candy. It’s called Democracy: look it up.
“Win back the working class”.
The Ds and Rs have been working against the working class for about 70 years.
Yes, I know the Ds provide more lip service… but the numbers don’t lie. Pay is down, life expectancy is down, everything is down but corporate profits.
Unions were almost 50% of the workforce back in the 50s, now they are down to less than 10%, and most of that is government employees.
Even Poland now has better worker benefits than the USA, maternity leave, vacation, and other benefits Americans can only dream of. We have been surpassed by Eastern Europe.
It sure would be nice to have a labor party in the USA. You can’t win back the working class by actively fucking them over for generations.
The Ds and Rs have been working against the working class for about 70 years.
FDR was the compromise not the solution. We got improvements under penalty of revolution and that’s only been eroded since.
Sadly most in the usa have been convinced/conditioned to think what was extremely hard won is fair to throw away in return for the possibility of small wealth increases, with the almost everything else getting worse
Yeah i support some dem politicians but i really wish they just took a different party name. At the end of the day schumer and jefferies are just the other side of the coin of trump.
“I dont know what to do, i dont know how to reach out to these good men and women to communicate with and to share our values”
“have you tried talking to them? Listening to their needs?”
“What? Why the fuck would I lower my self to the peasantry. They just need to do what they’re told and like it… now how do we make them understand this”
What? Why the fuck would I lower my self to the peasantry.
Makes me think of Hillary in 2016
looks at my state well, I would vote for a socialist if I had one… :( I’ll still vote though, regardless.
Fuck the GOP for sure but it’s hard to still believe in a two-party system without seeing both parties as eerily similar.
Both parties are charged with keeping their 330 million people maximally productive. The US isn’t the richest country in the world without reason.
The country is rich, the people aren’t.
To be fair, the US isn’t rich so much because of its own productivity, but through being the world’s largest empire, plundering from the global south.
A two party state is a one party state with another step.
Seriously though, don’t want to be cynical- there is a massive difference between the two parties. One is a meek bureaucrat, the other a convicted serial rapist, and quite literally.
Certainly the Democrats knew Harris would lose to Trump. She wasn’t even popular amongst Democrats.
That said, the jury did not find Trump liable for rape, but he was found guilty of sexual abuse. Which would be bad enough, but Democrats like to screw themselves by exaggerating everything and looking hyperbolic for doing so.
They also say stupid things like Vance humps couches which makes the person saying it look way worse than Vance.
She was polling very strong. I don’t know if you remember but she was crushing it, there was momentum, then suddenly Trump won every single swing state with a statistically shocking margin.
You don’t even have to be conspiratorial, it is a well documented fact that Musk bribed people to vote for Trump in an illegal raffle.
Then immediately after the election Musk was given the keys to the kingdom and the archives and with a literal chainsaw and {stuff happened} and three months later he and his crew went away and were persona non grata again.
Like…
I don’t mean to sound like that but I’ve been involved with some seedy business and I know when some shady shit went down, it doesn’t take a genius to figure it out
Edit: btw Trump was found civilly liable for sexual abuse and had to pay $5 million in damages. https://factually.co/fact-checks/justice/donald-trump-sexual-assault-convictions-78a839
That’s the thing a lot of people are rich, enough anyway to keep the dream alive.
2 wings of the same bird.
Either you solve the problems of the working people, or you blame it all on immigrants and minorities.
Only one of these approaches is consistent with what the oligarchs want.
Any scapegoat plays. When I was a kid Reagan blamed black women.
Remember the “welfare queen”? Reagan literally invented that, there was no such woman, he just made up a woman living like nobility on government “handouts”, and even though it was all shown to be a sham, the right still uses that phrase.
“I don’t care that it’s fake. It still pisses me off!”
Edit: My comment was drunk and hyperbolic, please see below comment for clarification
Reagan literally invented that, there was no such woman
There was one woman, specifically, who was identified, arrested, prosecuted, and imprisoned. Reagan’s media team then generalized the singular incident into a massive national conspiracy by an entire ethnic demographic.
You are absolutely right and I misremembered. Thanks for the correction!
It’s better that everybody should suffer than to have one person cheat the system.
Better to execute the criminals and sometimes a few innocents because justice must be served at every cost.
Well, better that most people suffer than some people pay taxes
If there was money in helping society, they would. There’s just way more profit in chaos, hatred, and destruction.
When Biden sided with the railroads I lost the last shred of hope I had for the party.
I remember that. I never liked him (but voted for him over the pedophile rapist, Donald Trump), but at that point I really started to think he was an actual piece of shit.
For me it was “I’m an unapologetic Zionist”
Mines been gone ever since what they did to fuck over Bernie from receiving the nomination.
I wasn’t a fan myself. I resented the hell out of him for entering the race in 2020 and outing Bernie. I don’t like to talk about it much because it makes me seem like a Bernie bro but as far as I’m concerned the democratic establishment did everything they could to keep a socialist out of the whitehouse. The entire primary was political theater to dilute the socialist agenda and Biden only entered the race when it was clear that, even with his base split between him and warren, nothing was going to stop Sanders.
BUT, as someone who spent time in the trade unions I swallowed my pride and voted for Biden. I didn’t expect much, but I did expect a damn democrat to do what they always say they would do and support the union block.
2020 was the moment. It was the last time I actually thought we could turn things around. Ever since that primary I’ve just been waiting for us to go the way of the USSR.
Yeah, both the DNC, and Elizabeth Warren did this.
Warren was, is, and continues to be a very useful idiot for neoliberalism.
I can’t even blame her, strictly speaking. It’s just that her dog Bailey has all the cents.
I still can’t believe I believed in her. What a fucking joke that woman is.
How was Elizabeth Warren involved? I thought the dnc head Debbie washerman Schultz was the one to blame.
She helped fuck over Bernie in 2020 after everyone but Biden, and Bernie dropped out to help split the progressive vote
What did they do? Run against him in primaries and let people vote for the other person?
Super delegates come to mind. They mostly sided with Hillary. Without the Superdelegates, Bernie was never far behind Hillary in terms of delegates. And since the media reported the super delegates who had at this point only pledged to vote for Hillary as if they were obligated to vote for her as if they were normal delegates, this probably demoralized Bernie voters.
They rigged the primary for Hillary, an action they were later forced to admit to and defend in court.
They also let Hillary seize campaign funds from down ballot races and screwed over half of their own candidates. It was ironically called the Clinton Victory Fund.
Fuck ‘centrists’. They’re all fascists too.
It’s crazy they couldn’t see the excitement Bernie was creating. The only one who was excited for Hillary was Hillary.
They certainly could see the excitement Bernie was creating and it scared them because it was a threat to their self-serving agenda.
I hate that the entire political apparatus in the US hinges on a few assholes’ egos, but it’s what we’re stuck with
Few assholes’ egos… and hundreds of millions of voters who support them.
And the millions of people who voted for her…
Way to create alliances and building bridges.
There’s no alliance to be made with the party that’s decided it serves the enemy.
Wall Street is the enemy. No party that takes corporate donations at all can claim not to be serving the enemy.
I’m sure that will defeat the next trump.
Enjoy.
So even without the superdelegates, Hillary was winning?
I’ve already outlined how the superdelegates could have given Hillary an advantage in winning regular primaries.
Yes, while admitting she was ahead anyway…
She wouldn’t have been ahead without the superdelegates demoralizing the Bernie supporters.
Took you that long eh?
Same, that was about when I started emotionally preparing for 4 more years of Trump.
IMHO it was clear Trump would win 2024 when Biden was nominated in 2020. America demands change and corporate centrists will just enrage them more.
Yup. Trump won because of his bluntness, as well as his ability to successfully lie to very stupid people.
I figured Biden might lose to another Republican, but I underestimated Trump. During the Biden admin, Trump was doing a masterful job of “leading from the opposition.”
At the time, Biden was promising that he wouldn’t run a second time, and let the primaries pick his hopeful successor. Unfortunately he went back on that promise
Even if he hadn’t run again, his refusal to deal with the real economic problems facing working class whites in flyover states handed them to Trump on a silver platter. “Nothing will fundamentally change” is unacceptable to a farmer losing everything, so they voted to burn it all down.
Because without fail, every ShitLib who espoused “vote for Biden and then we can push him left” was back at brunch before the inauguration.
My fringe idea is to bring back the Bull Moose party, it can be a caucus within the Dem party like the DSA but basically full of people who will fight MAGA and project 2025 with all the dirty tricks the mainstream dems refuse to use
The inherent problem with the DNC is that rank in the party is designated by seniority, and all the current senior members came into power when Third Way politics became popularized.
Third way politics is the actual non conspiracy reason you should hate the Clintons. They popularized it in America as a way to get past the gridlock of Congress that started in the early 90s. Basically they would work with “centrist” politicians on the other side of the aisle on any policy that both parties could agree with. This decongested the grid lock and “proved” that Democrats could be trusted to navigate the center path.
In reality it ceded control over what policy made up the middle ground over to Republicans, who took the opportunity to drag the DNC further and further right. So now we have a “leftist” political party that has been trained for the last 30 years to reflexively make concessions at the whim of the increasingly fascist right.
they likely worked with gingirch and mitch mconnel to achieve this end. both of them using never work with the other side until you get what you want legislation.
All of them are neoliberal pieces of shit that have to go
Schumer, Jefferies are top donor recipients, apparently if you want a audience with these 2, you better toe the line for israel/MIC.
I’d care more if people being outspent 10 to 1 weren’t winning elections. The donors matter, but not as much as they think they do, they only matter a lot to the corrupt.
Fellow Democrats…
Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
Arsenal walking it in again?
The thing about democrats is they always try to walk it in
What was Biden thinking sending Harris on so late?
They’re disabled.
And unlike Arsenal they fail
Coughs in PSG
they spend millions, consulting with the donors and gop Behind closed doors to be exact.
Coming from the polls on MDC today I can tell D voters registered and living in the 305 just didn’t show up. This is why we can’t have nice things.
How dare they fail the party like that. We should have commissars for this sort of thing.
young people are too distracted by tiktok, instagram, youtube, and now reddit o care. i think were claims of them saying “how it doesnt affect us right now”
No, I’m sure {the DNC, the illuminati, the billionaires, the media, the Chinese} are at fault, it can’t be the voters!
People who see enough “real” lose their ability to consume or be influenced by bullshit. You’ll see this in healthcare among experienced staff. People are often their authentic selves, for better or worse, when ill or in pain. More so, with staff members who spend the most time dealing directly with the people.
What happens is healthcare management loses their ability to bullshit or talk sideways to staff to placate them.
I feel like the people as a whole are becoming like that now. (Finally). In response to political spin. The “muzzle velocity” approach to news has accelerated that progression. People are generally done with bullshit and talking sideways from their politicians.
What will happen if democrats try anything less than authenticity, is they will likely cease to exist as a party. The “vote against” momentum is already dying.
I actually think Mamdani has helped accelerate this as well, proving that it’s possible to just do things citizens want by you know, doing them them takes so much air out of bought and paid for career politicians
It’s obviously not all him, but I do think the visibility and his overall authenticity is changing hearts and minds
Mamdani showed everyone that the Orphan Crushing Machine has an off switch & that the neolibs just had no interest in using it.
And he does it fast too. Potholes get fixed within the week when residents alert the city about them. It completely undermines the narrative that government has to be so slow and useless at getting things done. That’s a serious threat to politicians who now can’t sit around doing nothing without the public asking why they can’t do what Mamdani does. Even moreso that it’s a socialist getting things done, something Americans have been so thoroughly trained to treat as a scary boogeyman until now.
And he balanced the budget. Republicans do the opposite now when balancing the budget used to be their political war cry. And he did it right away, didn’t take long.
Republicans do the opposite now
Tbh, the Republicans haven’t balanced a (national) budget in 80 years. They’ve all run deficits, while Democrats tend to run budget surpluses (or reduce the deficit if the previous GOP administration was particularly bad)
No, but now they’re no longer even mentioning it.
Basically every municipal budget in the country could be balanced by de-funding the police.
Maybe there’s fuckwoods county Montana, with two park rangers a cop and a comptroller, but the cop could still be replaced with a social worker who gets paid half as much and does more good.
“What like it’s hard?”
-Zohran “Elle Woods” Mamdani
