One question directly invokes Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s demand that allies stay “strong, clear, and quiet” in alignment with U.S. interests.
Can you cut him in thirds first? I hear they make real good electric bonesaws.
Where is the line? When do we stop this nonsense?
Ummmm, like way back there. This is now ride or die levels of stupid and terrible.
Idk, man. What did you plan to do about it?
I don’t have money or resources to single handedly Rambo the situation away, but if a politician were within arms reach of me I’d go for the neck and eyes, consequences be damned. That’s all one person could realistically achieve.
There is a reason I said “we,” jackass. This isn’t a one person job.
There is a turkish saying “Until you cross the bridge, call the bear dear.”, which is exactly how every NATO country would play along.
I hope all our former allies realize that there’s NOTHING they can do to restore that protection during the reign of Clown King. No amount of licking his orange balls will work. They must turn away from us and move on as quickly as possible.
Why? Because he spoke in front of the UN general assembly on September 25 2018 and they laughed at him. If you think that’s just too stupid an explanation, if you think he can’t possibly be that insecure and petty, finish your nap before you reply.
A normal person would feel that humiliation and go through a cycle of emotion, maybe including an initial anger, but would ultimately self-reflect, conclude those world leaders can’t all be wrong, and strive to improve. He’s not capable.
But why does he keep making up with the dictators of the world after very public spats? Because they’ve never publicly laughed at him.
His insecurity is paired with a deep feeling of inferiority to all the worlds’ leaders. When Kim, Putin, Xi, etc. fight with him, they lower themselves to his level, so even though they’re fighting, he feels like they think of him as a peer. When someone laughs at him, he knows that they don’t respect him. He knows they can see through his preposterous facade. He can’t pretend they don’t, like he can with the dictators.
No imminent geopolitical reality exists that will snap him out of it. No amount of his rivals debasing themselves will unring that bell. No protection “deal” will ever be honored because the sting of humiliation can’t be salved with signatures.
Unfortunately for the US, Trump was elected. Twice. That means US “allies” need to assume a similar character can be elected again in 4, 8, 12… years.
Since establishing a strong independent defence and matching industry takes years, even decades, US allies would be absolutely fool to attempt any “back to normal” process after Trump.
The US arms exportations are to collapse until no one really depends on i. It’s only a matter of time before alternatives are developed for every critical piece of equipment.
US allies would be absolutely fool to attempt any “back to normal” process after Trump.
They wouldn’t be US allies to begin with if they weren’t fools
We’ve been doing Trumpism since Nixon. Even under Trump, quite a few US allies are openly in favor of this kind of leadership
I still think the world ought to continue laughing at trump whenever he makes a speech.
I hope Americans realize Trump and the GOP have changed America’s relationship with the world, forever. There is no going back.
Germany and Italy are allowed to be important. You say “no going back” but history suggests a single generation of “normalcy” is enough.
Yes, a generation after the people of a country realize they fucked up.
Americans don’t seem to realize that they fucked up yet.
I don’t think people believe it. But he has undone basically everything achieved on global relationship level over the last 100 years. If anything, we are closer to our enemies than our allies.
I hope countries start kicking Americans out of the bases. Ahh one can dream.
The US is so stupid right now, they’ll probably just leave. They’re already having major issues supplying their ships in the Indian ocean, this kind of move will make that worse. But they’ll still probably do it anyway.
What the fuck is going on here? The next Democratic administration isn’t going to be able to do anything that they’re campaigning on because they’ll have their hands full fixing the mess this one is leaving.
Sounds like the plan is working, unfortunately.
Then let that be their platform, undoing all Trump’s bullshit. That sounds like a shoo-in.
But they won’t Biden didn’t don’t expect the next one to either.
That’s how you get a repeat 8, 12 years down the road.
Both And.
Nuremberg type justice, seizing and equitably redistributing the ill-gotten kleptocratic gains coupled with systemic changes-> abolishing Citizens United, universal healthcare and billionaire taxation all MUST happen.
Anything less will not do.
How about Trump hate, and action to strengthen our democracy to never let it happen again?
His administration is doing everything in their power to make our country theirs. Let’s fix all the loopholes and make all their tricks illegal, with ACTUAL repercussions with teeth and people to hold them accountable. His administration is the first to be so blatant with their corruption. Let’s use it as a blueprint for a path forward.
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They should assume they already lost US protection. What’s happening in the Strait of Hormuz shows how much it actually is worth. This is a geopolitical tactic as old as time, they don’t have the capacity and are losing ground so they have to see who grovels so they can find their next mark, but NATO is already losing US protection given how much they’ve signaled it - although it’s not like right now it’s anything but symbolic.
Starting to doubt if America can even defend itself after depleting missiles against Iraq and attacking fishermen in the gulf. Someone just go for it already! Trump will have to live with the shame of being one of the few presidents that had a foreign power attack the US.
I’d call it a certainty that the Trump military would use nukes against a real threat like that.
Hey so, I serve in a NATO military. Here is my statement:
Fuck Trump, fuck anyone that supports him and fuck those that allowed the USA to get this shite. Any American that opposes him, I will buy you a drink.
Huzzah!! 🍻
Not even a big drinker, but if we could, it would mean our borders weren’t so terrifying, and maybe we were a free people.
Here’s to the dream, brother.
And thank you for your service…in opposition to petty, worthless mobster tyrants like ours.
This is a perfect example of conservative MAGA values. They want a heirarchy system where the chosen people at the top are given special privileges and are effectively above the law. This is what .makes MAGA so foreign and hard to understand for so many people.
Know your enemy.
The rest of NATO really needs to form an inner circle that excludes America. We’re a massive liability to the organization.
They could call the select group “NATO Gold”. Being excluded from a select organization that has the word ‘gold’ in its name would really piss Trump off.
You think they don’t already?
The difference is that it doesn’t have a big flashy public name. It will be an informal network of diplomats and knowledgeable command staff.
Yup. The smart move is to do this without Trump knowing you’re doing it. There is still a significant amount of dependence on the US defense industrial complex in a lot of NATO, so it would be a big gap if the rest of NATO was openly telling the US to go fuck itself (as satisfying as that would be). It makes more sense to quietly transition from US dependence over time.
Didn’t we already do that, I remember there being a secret meeting of the leaders of most European countries that the US wasn’t invited to, where they supposedly discussed future defense as the US grows unreliable
Not only outside of NATO, but also inside the other countries are starting to fill the vacuum left by the US. The importance of the US to NATO has severely diminished in the past 2 years and this process is accelerating. I have even heard rumblings of the US getting kicked out (eventually) of NATO if they continue being unreliable. At a minimum there is a serious realignment ongoing.
But yes, post-NATO security frameworks are being openly and secretly discussed in Europe and with its democratic non-US allies.
It’s on purpose at this point. I’m fairly certain one of the aims of the heritage foundation is to turn the U.S. into a technofeudal state with billionaires running everything. And if the U.S. breaks up Balkan style, even better.
Yeah, but they keep it quiet. The fastest Trump retreats the harder it is to switch so they’ll send in Rutte for some serious brown-nosing while buying, producing and setting up their own non US weapons and systems. Besides, everybody could see very well how much USA’s protection is worth in the Straight of Hormuz. Meanwhile Trump starts to notice how much he gets done without allies.
I don’t think they see much strategic purpose in pissing Trump off :p
Yeah but then he’ll want back in and the cycle starts again :-(
NATO gold is reserved for the united states only, with trump as chief senior executive top general. No one else can attend those meetings
Everyone else gets put in NATO brass, and they need to meet regularly to show that they are on board with this new system.
He won’t protect anyone regardless of loyalty.
braise him. to an internal temperature of at least 165°f to ensure no bacteria survives
theres no meat on him. Its all fat and shit.
Fun fact: you need specially designed cremation ovens for, uh, ‘plus sized’ folks. Fat burns pretty hot, so using a regular sized oven is a great way to catch the funeral home on fire.
Wow til. Like a super sized brick oven?
Just a bigger cremation oven that can handle the increased heat.
Bit like that one story a while back of an…extremely large lady who went to a hospital for an X-ray, and they sent her to the local zoo to use the elephant X-ray.
X-ray probably wouldn’t be a problem. An MRI on the other hand…
Eh, the basic science still works. Just need better magnets, and an MRI cavity capable of, ya know, fitting the body itself.
Which is probably somewhat offensive to larger folks, but like. At a certain point…either it’s custom made, or we use the one designed for elephants. Sorry.
He’ll even bring his own mega Dutch oven to do it in. The white house
Oh shit, wrong kind of Dutch oven
For safe consumption, Nazis should be cooked to an internal temperature of 1488°F. It’s what they would’ve wanted
Fuck off and die you fat megalomniac pedophile rapist cunt. The united snakes can suck cock in Hell.
This reads like poetry The kind of visceral anger that I wish the American people would unify and express against their own leadership
Their press meetings should be so constantly full of this kinda speech they can’t even manage to get through a simple briefing.
“Okay, Q&A…”
“Thank you. Mr. President are you even sorry for all the innocent people you’ve personally or impersonally murdered?”
“ARREST THEM. NEXT? YOU IN THE BACK!”
“Yes, thank you. Associated Press. Anyway, you gonna kill yourself in a bunker anytime soon you rapist piece of shit?”
“GUARDS! we have time for ONE MORE…about the excellent new ballroom or something…”
“Hello, yes… where’d your mother go wrong and would you consider yourself your joke of a family’s biglyest mistake?”
As an American….that’s fair.
Please await our return to normalcy, which I dearly hope is soon.
Holy shit you guys are pussies. Home of the brave indeed!
A country which is prone to start backstabbing, blackmailing and threatening their allies every 4 years isn’t normal per se. The USA will never regain my trust (and i believe i am in the majority of europeans here) until they fix their shit for good, which i will probably not live to see; half of US-americans active voters chose this shitshow for a second time, which means they love the taste of leather combat boots (Nazi style).
1 in 3 still love in now with citizens shot in the street and concentration camps being built. They are nazis.
I don’t think you’ll ever regain the trust guys gave up so willingly when you elected the worst human ever. Fucking twice even. The trust is gone and your former allies just want you guys to shut up and go away.
for what? 4? maybe 8 years? and then you’re all right back on the right wing agenda? Reagan, Bush, Bush Jr, Trump, whose next?
for years, decades even the rest of us have simply tolerated you. never really trusted you, mocked you behind your backs, but we generally kept quiet about it. now? now we’re no longer hiding our opinions of you. and those opinions have always been there so things aren’t going to change for you on the world stage, ever.
How can we trust you? you elected this clown twice. you elected Bush Jr twice. “Please wait our return to normalcy”? how can we await your return for something you never had.
American Exceptionalism == Main Character Syndrome
Please await our return to normalcy, which I dearly hope is soon.
americans are something else… Do you honestly believe things will just go back to normal, no harm done, as soon as your twice elected monster kicks the bucket? Really??
No, no! You don’t get it!
So many people didn’t vote! This isn’t who we are! Rabble rabble rabble!
In all seriousness though… Americans are right now like a patient bleeding out where the shock has set in and they are no longer capable of realizing the wound is fatal. I got out, so I can afford to look at it objectively, but millions of people are either trapped or hoped things wouldn’t get so bad that they’d have to inconvenience their personal lives, and both of those groups psychologically maintain the illusion that things can go back because the alternative is being completely overwhelmed and breaking down, so I DO understand where the denial is coming from. It’s not legitimate hope for restoration - it’s psychological delusion as existential defense.
I’m still stuck inside and the amount of people doing the ostrich head in the sand thing is un-fucking-real, got told by a former friend just this last week that they were just trying to “live their life” and couldn’t handle all the negativity.
I don’t even know what to say to that
This is normal for you. You elected him twice. You elected bush twice. This is American trajectory.
So what are you doing about it; nothing just like the rest of you americans.
At this point in any other country there would be 100k people in front of the White House every day until the government collapses but in the US people are just living their normal lives in an abnormal time taking it like lemmings and whinning like children.
You are responsible for the world econmomy collapsing when it does, just remember that; the world won’t forget.
You should know that USA wasn’t even near normal under Obama. Spying on allies, and thousands killed in illegal drone attacks is not normal.
I don’t trust USA to return to normal anytime soon. American exceptionalism isn’t an exclusive Republican thing.
But closer to normal would still be preferable.Spying on allies
Anyone who knows anything about history and politics should understand that everybody spies on everybody and that’s fine because knowing what other countries are up to is how you avoid war. Countries trust their allies because their spies help them KNOW that they can trust them. As soon as spies are taken out of the equation, everybody starts getting WAY more paranoid about what other countries are up to, and that’s how you get pointless wars. Sometimes, foreign spies even HELP a country, because they can sometimes catch things that domestic intelligence misses, like “hey, such-and-such foreign nation has infiltrated your such-and-such government agency; you might wanna do something about that. How did we get this info? Trade secret. But you’re welcome”.
Spying ON ITS OWN is almost utterly benign. It’s certainly better than the alternative. Expecting humans to not be nosy about what their neighbors are up to is just asking for disappointment. Nosiness is an inevitable fact of life. Sure, if you CATCH a spy, you eject them. But it’s naive to be offended by the attempt.
Wrong, spying used to be MOSTLY a wartime thing you did against enemies.
USA changed that after WW2, and most countries followed. Because now apparently everyone is an enemy, and no one can be trusted.Spying ON ITS OWN is almost utterly benign
That’s completely bullshit, it is absolutely not benign that USA is spying on allies, they are trying to use it to undermine their political views.
Wrong, spying used to be a wartime thing you did against enemies.
Do you really believe that?
Also:
they are truing to use it to undermine their political views.
That’s not “spying on its own” anymore, though, is it?
It’s a fact, look it up.
I looked it up. I didn’t put a ton of effort into it, but I found some things.
First link I found was this one, https://www.mi5.gov.uk/history/between-the-wars/the-inter-war-years, talking about spying going on between WW1 and WW2.
British intelligence service was started in 1909. They weren’t at war, but they were concerned about spying, German spies in particular:
Wow were you born yesterday? You think espionage is a thing the US invented after WW2? Lmao.
Your reading comprehension is very low.
Oh my reading comprehension is perfectly fine. Your statement is just extraordinarily untrue and ridiculous.
normalcy You mean like manufacturing fake evidence for WMD so we can go to war with Iraq. A war in which only only did we lose thousands of Americans we also killed around 500,000 Iraqs. We could pack a stadium with the dead children we killed alone.
We have always been the bad guys.
Ain’t nobody waiting for nothing.
We haven’t been normal since at least the 90s.
When Reagan’s policies sunk in.
Narrator: It wasn’t
so he’s just openly running a racketeering ring now and nato has its thumbs up its butt?
My lord Trump, you wear the biggest of diapers and your shits are the smelliest in the whole entire world!
