Can you please provide a quote and source where he says ‘execute’ and not ‘death penalty’ (a legal penalty) in reference to Joe Biden? If he actually said Joe Biden should be executed outside of the death penalty, I’ll change my position on his assassination being justified.
Be that as it may, there’s still usually multiple trials, judges, reviews, juries, appeals, etc. and a long stay on death row before that state violence is allowed to be carried out, as opposed to a single man determining in an instant that someone’s life has to end and carrying out the execution. Opinion on the death penalty aside, there is a difference between saying someone should receive the death penalty and saying someone should be executed.
Why list “trials, judges, reviews, juries, appeals” all of this as if it’s more than one thing that often times doesn’t work. Most of the convictions in the US are plea deals, they literally put you in a jail and tell you to say what they want or they’ll make things worse and the only way you can avoid this is to have money to make bail.
If your boss steals from your wages you have to jump through hoops to try and get it back and they don’t serve time. If you are accused of taking money from the company you are taken away by the state and put in jail till it can be proven you didn’t. You can’t expect me to trust that the system works in my favor when the system is clearly designed to not work in my favor.
I’m very aware of the flaws in the system. I’m just as disillusioned with it as you seem to be. I’m not defending the death penalty. I’m simply saying that calling for someone’s execution and calling for someone to be given the death penalty are different.
The death penalty is a legal consequence for crimes upon conviction. An execution is quite frequently carried out by third parties and doesn’t necessarily involve due process. Additionally, ‘execute’ carries a much more violent connotation, whereas the word ‘penalty’ implies something wrong has been done to provoke the reaction.
Again, if you can provide me with a quote and source where Charlie Kirk said Joe Biden should be “executed,” I will change my opinion on his assassination being justified.
Again, if you can provide me with a quote and source where Charlie Kirk said Joe Biden should be “executed,” I will change my opinion on his assassination being justified.
No you won’t. You’ll just argue semantics like your dead nazi hero.
execution is the killing part. it may be done by 3rd parties outside of the law (ie murder), or it could be the final part of a legal proceeding that leads to the death penalty
the death penalty is the conviction at the end of a legal proceeding
saying someone deserves the death penalty (ie jumping right to their conviction) skips the trial and sentencing etc of a normal legal proceeding. it’s not at all the same as saying someone should be tried for treason
he said that joe biden should be killed by the state no matter how you spin it
He said Joe Biden should ‘be put in prison and/or given the death penalty for his crimes against America.’ That clearly implies he’d accept imprisonment if the court decided on it over the death penalty. That said, I do believe if he were the judge, he’d have opted for the death penalty. I could be wrong, maybe he would have done as Jesus would and turned the other cheek, but for some reason I doubt it.
Again, if you can provide me with a quote and source where Charlie Kirk said Joe Biden should be “executed,” I will change my opinion on his assassination being justified.
I think you mean “received a death penalty for his actions” instead of “assassination”.
I’m sorry but why does whether or not an execution is sanctioned by the state matter in any way to you as a user of an anarchist instance? I genuinely cannot comprehend why that’s even a factor in your argument???
Having an account on an anarchist instance does not require me to be an anarchist. I signed up to db0 for its focus/acceptance of piracy after freemediaheckyeah’s instance shut down.
How is him saying Joe Biden should be executed for treason not advocating for violence?
It’s not violence if you imply an institution, silly!
Can you please provide a quote and source where he says ‘execute’ and not ‘death penalty’ (a legal penalty) in reference to Joe Biden? If he actually said Joe Biden should be executed outside of the death penalty, I’ll change my position on his assassination being justified.
Of all the hairs to split this was a pretty ridiculous one
The death penalty is the sentence. Execution is the act.
When someone is put to death by the state, the act itself is called an execution. They do it in a literal execution chamber.
Calling for the death penalty and calling for an execution mean the exact same thing.
Jesus F Christ… do you right-wingers ever remove your heads from your own arrses, like… ever?
This was a very constructive comment, thank you for your input. I’m also not really a ‘right-winger’ but whatever.
Prefer fascist?
No, I don’t.
If you don’t want people to call you a fascist then stop acting like a fascist.
Goodbye.
Executions are state violence.
Be that as it may, there’s still usually multiple trials, judges, reviews, juries, appeals, etc. and a long stay on death row before that state violence is allowed to be carried out, as opposed to a single man determining in an instant that someone’s life has to end and carrying out the execution. Opinion on the death penalty aside, there is a difference between saying someone should receive the death penalty and saying someone should be executed.
Why list “trials, judges, reviews, juries, appeals” all of this as if it’s more than one thing that often times doesn’t work. Most of the convictions in the US are plea deals, they literally put you in a jail and tell you to say what they want or they’ll make things worse and the only way you can avoid this is to have money to make bail.
If your boss steals from your wages you have to jump through hoops to try and get it back and they don’t serve time. If you are accused of taking money from the company you are taken away by the state and put in jail till it can be proven you didn’t. You can’t expect me to trust that the system works in my favor when the system is clearly designed to not work in my favor.
I’m very aware of the flaws in the system. I’m just as disillusioned with it as you seem to be. I’m not defending the death penalty. I’m simply saying that calling for someone’s execution and calling for someone to be given the death penalty are different.
And that’s why you’re standing up for Charlie Kirk’s call for execution.
It’s not though.
I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree then.
I’m fine without agreeing with you.
execution and death penalty are synonyms
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Whatever he actually said (I don’t know) what is the meaningful difference between “death penalty” and “execute”?
How explicitly an institution is involved. Obviously makes it okay and nonviolent.
The death penalty is a legal consequence for crimes upon conviction. An execution is quite frequently carried out by third parties and doesn’t necessarily involve due process. Additionally, ‘execute’ carries a much more violent connotation, whereas the word ‘penalty’ implies something wrong has been done to provoke the reaction.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-biden-death-penalty/
Again, if you can provide me with a quote and source where Charlie Kirk said Joe Biden should be “executed,” I will change my opinion on his assassination being justified.
No you won’t. You’ll just argue semantics like your dead nazi hero.
so let’s break it down
execution is the killing part. it may be done by 3rd parties outside of the law (ie murder), or it could be the final part of a legal proceeding that leads to the death penalty
the death penalty is the conviction at the end of a legal proceeding
saying someone deserves the death penalty (ie jumping right to their conviction) skips the trial and sentencing etc of a normal legal proceeding. it’s not at all the same as saying someone should be tried for treason
he said that joe biden should be killed by the state no matter how you spin it
He said Joe Biden should ‘be put in prison and/or given the death penalty for his crimes against America.’ That clearly implies he’d accept imprisonment if the court decided on it over the death penalty. That said, I do believe if he were the judge, he’d have opted for the death penalty. I could be wrong, maybe he would have done as Jesus would and turned the other cheek, but for some reason I doubt it.
You’d be hilarious as satire
I think you mean “received a death penalty for his actions” instead of “assassination”.
Legal does not equal moral
You are correct.
I’m sorry but why does whether or not an execution is sanctioned by the state matter in any way to you as a user of an anarchist instance? I genuinely cannot comprehend why that’s even a factor in your argument???
Because he’s a conservative sealioning.
Having an account on an anarchist instance does not require me to be an anarchist. I signed up to db0 for its focus/acceptance of piracy after freemediaheckyeah’s instance shut down.
In my opinion that distinction is paper thin, but you do you.