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    I mean for a religious person everything should be god’s plan, right?

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      That is logical. Practically, though, this is used for justification of selected events. If a person confronts with something he doesn’t like, e. g. bugs in his home, he will actively try to change it.

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        Doesn’t mean they have to be passive. They could say God did this to provoke me to do something against this.

        I mean it’s similar to the question why god allows all this suffering and evil in the world. I think the common answer is to test us and to give us the opportunity to do good or something like that.

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          That is convenient. This way you can explain anything you like. I think, Sam Harris said “it’s like playing table tennis without a net”.

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            That’s the point of religion. Providing some kind of psychological comfort by giving answers to questions we can’t answer.

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      That’s why we must conquer heaven and kill god before his cancerous existence spreads any further.

      Also hell too, but they are not the main enemy. Heaven and God are. They are the real monsters.

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      Pathetic fucking Christians is more like it.

      Its a fucking death cult.

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          Its insane to me that people can’t see this. Sure, it has over a thousand years of good PR, but the evil shit isn’t hidden. Its all in the bible.

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            The Allegory of the Cave suites nicely with religious beliefs.

            “Keep watching the shadows. There is nothing but the shadows. If someone says anything different they are wrong and you are correct. Feels good to be correct. Be correct with us.”

            Being incorrect about things on a consistent and constant basis can be disheartening if you’re insecure. They are wrong about so many things all the time that it’s a nice change of pace to be right. Even if that means accepting “Noble Lies”.

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      Unfun fact! Carter tried to establish community mental health care centers across America, but Reagan immediately undid it.

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        Same thing for solar panels. When carter left, he installed the first solar panel on the white house and said ‘this will either mark a new beginning or a path untaken’. Reagan took it down.

        Now China is kicking everyone’s ass in solar panels. And Trump hates renewables so much that he wants to shut down a windfarm in New England that is almost finished, had already cost a lot of money, would employ thousands, and provide a fuckload of cheap electricity to a lot of people.

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      I’ve heard that some people believe trump is indeed god’s plan, to bring an end to the US

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        Unhappy, simple-minded people cling to prophecy of change, children’s fairy tales of a day when everything will be better and some paternal figure will protect them and give them all the presents they ever wanted.

        It’s not a coincidence that education and exposure to diverse cultures and beliefs tends to make for a less religious population and why religion is shrinking in larger cities and more connected locations around the world.

        The problem is that these people are basically armed serfs, in indentured servitude to their ideological leaders, they are pure political capital if you can harness them and holy shit have we seen that plan bear fruit.

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      America has an individualism problem and well fuck me running if Christians just happen to be the absolute worst when it comes to the rights of others being of no consequence.

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        This is something that hit me like a ton of bricks after living abroad for a bit. It definitely made me think a lot about how much more pleasant things are when people are at least marginally considerate of others, and just how little some people seem to do it in the US.

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        Oh I’m aware it always has. I remember learning in grade school, about the Puritans coming to America and being told it was a good thing….

        (Spoiler: it wasn’t)

        But it’s getting worse every day.

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          Puritans coming to America and being told it was a good thing….

          I mean, there’s a world in which protestant refugees of the Thirty Years War don’t just show up and start slaughtering native peoples.

          In fact, quite a few early settler colonies ended up “Going Native” and integrating with local tribes, rather than clinging to European identity and loyalty.

          But the promise of a New World Gold Rush invited all the wrong kinds of migrants. Add in the Transatlantic slave trade, and you had a thoughtfully toxic stew of feudal politics layered atop capitalist expansion.

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      That’s a global percentage. I’m pretty sure that the United States is exclusively populated by the lower 15%

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      But that’s not how averages work. We’d really be imagining the median person.

      About one third of Americans are bringing the average stupidity way, way down.

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        Now imagine each one of them is constantly plugged into a 24/7 propaganda machine designed to be entertaining and foster a sense of community and emotional validation while pushing the will of corporations and authoritarian leaders.

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    Be assured that THIS Christian who actually read the Bible knows that all of these people will rot in Hell when they die. A lot of repenting will be required to side step that one truth.

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    Unironically, those people shouldn’t get to vote. If it’s all a part of gods plan then they should let Jesus take the wheel with the votes too.

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      They seem OK to be in a theocracy as long as it’s the flavor of “Christianity” they claim to belong to.

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    There is no god,( a fact even more than a 3rd of americans would disagree with) but if the magic man would exist and after all this time decided to finally do some good, placing this clown at the head of the most destructive country on the planet would be a good move.

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        no.
        Glad a US president is doing a good job of fucking up his own country for once and not other countries as usual.
        I hope it goes to hell soon, carry on Donnie!

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          The winning candidate in the 2024 election was “none”

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            “Didn’t Vote” could as easily be “Any/All” as “None”. Also discounts the voters who were legally disenfranchised or otherwise discouraged from participating.

            Hence “not a democracy”. Voters don’t pick their politicians. Politicians pick their voters.

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      27%

      A Christian (or, really, anyone who believes in predestination) thinking “X is Part of God’s Plan” is perfectly consistent with their understanding of the world.

      It’s the Christians who don’t believe this who are being irrational

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          Rationality is predicated on inputs and outputs. If you’re surrounded by second and third hand accounts of divine mysteries, it isn’t irrational to accept them as true absent some more compelling data. At least, no more irrational than believing in dinosaurs or the Big Bang Theory, without ever actually having seen a fossil or learned about the significance of background radiation.