MAGA devotee Roberto Mosquera thought Trump would unify the country. Now he’s 8,000 miles away.
I don’t mind them deporting him, but people should be returned to their home country, not to a life sentence in some notorious torture prison. They entered America illegally, they should be sent home, but that doesn’t deserve a life sentence in a dungeon.
And NOBODY should go anywhere without due process first.
Dude had been in the country for 50 years, married a citizen and had a daughter. I think he’s an idiot for being a Trump supporter but the more sensible action would be to let him stay. Entering illegally is a misdemeanor. The president has 34 felonies.
Those 34 felonies are kid stuff compared to his other crimes, like treason, rape, and pedophilia.
why does it matter how someone got here? assuming they aren’t causing any actual problems I genuinely don’t give a fuck if someone’s here “legally” or not. I’m only here because I was born here, so I didn’t have to do jack shit, why should they?
It’s supposed to be a prevention measure. Most people aren’t gonna take a weapon to a club but you frisk all of them to discourage the one who will. How the US uses it is entirely bonkers.
I understand keeping track of people entering this country. We can’t make it too easy, or every bad person from everywhere would come here, but I also recognize that is a miniscule percentage of actual immigrants. That’s why we really need to have due process, because we’re probably kicking out a lot of people that would become good taxpaying citizens. But that’s all a separate issue.
I’m enormously concerned with this MAGA strategy of sending ANYONE, including criminals, to third countries, and only to those with serious records of human rights abuses, where they will serve life sentences for no crime other than trying to seek a better life for themselves and their families. And it’s all done without any lawyers or courts.
Sure, they’re just strangers from a strange land, not our problem. But if we let MAGA do it to them, then it’s only a matter of time before they do it to the rest of us.
It’s sad and fucked up, but I also struggle to feel sorry because FAFO - you voted for that and if you didn’t see it coming it’s your own fault. The whole of America and the rest of the world is suffering now because an orange nazi turd was elected president.
If he wasn’t a citizen, he did not vote for it, but as a pro trumper he sure asked for it.
we can agree that the system is fucked, even if one of its many victims doesn’t invoke empathy.
Imagine if the state randomly picked someone to torture, on occasion it’ll get a serial killer pedophile. it does not mean that system works
I feel like now, this is how the system works.
“Works”
Gosh, if only there were some indication that Trump was a racist that hated Hispanic people before Mosquera voted for him.
You’re not wrong, but at the same time, there was a concerted effort to obfuscate the republican game plan in Hispanic communities specifically. Like, they were more directly lied to than basically everyone else in the voter base, with (very obviously, but still) empty promises of protection, benefits, and security.
Many of these people genuinely did not know what they were voting for because many, many steps were taken by swaths of lying dirtbags to ensure that they could not know the truth of these things without suddenly and dramatically pivoting in their beliefs and exiting their comfort zones for reasons they, by design, did not even know they might have need for.
It shouldn’t be a surprise to any of us at this point that the propaganda works. We are in the position we are in as a world culture because the propaganda works.
They literally, openly posted their step by step plan for anyone and everyone to read.
Hey look another person who’s immune to propaganda. I’m sure you are wrong about something. Massacre at tiannenmen square maybe? Thats always a good one. How about tank man being run over? Hope you got your facts straight!
If only they hadn’t let themselves to be immersed in the Republican/Fox information silo.
“Why did they choose to be propaganda’ed though?”
“Why did the woman let someone assault her?”
“Why did the victim allow themselves to be shot from 300 yards away?”
Yeah, we have a few newcomers in the shop here, and conservatives here always tell them it’s imperative to vote conservative or they will lose their rights etc… They would have no idea what the implications are if I would not chime in and let them know if they do so they vote for the people who want to kick them out.
My wife is Hispanic, and most of her family that doesn’t speak English, all love Trump. Apparently, when they translate him speaking into Spanish, they paraphrase everything he says, just to make him sound sane. Her aunt and father would both send her videos, where he’s rambling about some stupid, crazy shit, and the Spanish translation is completely different than what’s coming out of his mouth. It makes him sound normal.
She’s had to explain to them so many times, that what they’re hearing, is not what he’s actually saying…but when she translates it directly for them, they don’t always believe her. Why would they? They can’t believe anyone would say that, because it’s all nonsense.
They really have no idea just how stupid and dangerous he actually is.
Those translators need to be muted and deafened ya know what shatter their hands irrevocably while your at it. They shouldnt have the ability to lie in such a way.
This is exactly what I was getting at, and thank you for saying so because many of these responses have me losing faith in people’s ability to tangle with nuance.
A town I used to live in received Ted Cruz flyers in both Spanish and English during the last cycle. The ones that were in Spanish just flat out lied about his positions on immigration, and based on what older friends in the area have said, they’ve been pulling this shit for a long, long time now.
I’m not from US, but “I hate mexicans, we have to kick them out, and let’s build a wall against them” is pretty self-explanatory, no?
You have to understand how many Cubans hate all other Hispanics. They consider themselves white. The “good ones” if you will.
Yeah exactly, and it’s fucked.
It’s not even exclusive to Cubans. Pick any migrant group and the conservative members of that group hate the idea of people who were in identical circumstances to their family when they migrated getting the same chances. Fuck your got mine the entire way down.
Exhibit A: these types of “legitimate” Filipino-Americans who’ll just narc anyone fresh off the boat and not having permanent residency.
I’m from the US.
Yes.
There was a lot of talk about ‘recent immigrants’, while the voting population is older immigrants that got citizenship by going through the process (or people that lived on land that became the US under them), and they also hate illegal immigration because they did it ‘the right way’ and are the reason police and border patrol keeps hassling them.
Obviously it’s the wrong way of thinking about the issue of you correctly identify that it’s basically pure racism, but I could see how you could be led there if you’re a low information voter (especially if the TV station you watch is owned by a Trump ally).
if you’re a low information voter
Ignorance, whether it stems from laziness or is willful, is on them, and we are all suffering now as a consequence of their ignorance. Trump showed exactly who he was to anyone paying even an iota of attention before he was voted into office, and I have little empathy for those who now say “we didn’t know”.
For fucks sake, he bragged about grabbing women by the pussy, and everyone in the country had this piece of information before he was voted into office. What more information does a person need to judge his character? He’s a shit person and anyone who voted for him did so because they didn’t think the leopards would eat their face, giving zero empathy to all the people harmed by Trump, including those ripped off by his his fake Trump University, fraud foundation, etc., etc., etc., etc. “Low information” is no excuse.
You’re completely correct in all respects. However, we still need to understand it in order to fight it.
Their playbook is not very thick. They keep doing all the same shit, and we haven’t adapted. Remember after the Trump impeachments the Republicans were saying “impeach” left and right about everything? They wanted to water down the term and the concept.
They want to say everything the Democrats might say ideally before they say it in order to take all the power out of it. It’s part of the reason Dems seem feckless, because by the time they say something, the right has already been beating that drum for weeks. Even if it’s a terrible drum for them that holds no water. Because the point isn’t for them to say what they’re saying; it’s to make sure the Dems aren’t heard when they say the same thing.
Unfortunately, the majority of the electorate is that sort of person, so you need to appeal to them. You’ve got to win the voters you have, not the ones you wish you had. That’s why you need to keep your messaging simple (not saying that’s an excuse to not do the work and actually have policies).
Read https://www.latinosfortrump.com/
It spells it all out right there in shiny propaganda.
Politicans lie and misdirect but why take up with the one that says they want to deliberately hurt minorities ? Why becase you’re an asshole.
They all had a good look at this freak during 1.0 and choose him…again.
I dont disagree with the sentiment, but not everyone is invested in this stuff as you or I. Some because they can’t be bothered to care, and others because there is a language and culture barrier that is actively being manipulated in order to obfuscate the actual message of these people and the impact that they’re making.
We are all living in our own little reality tunnels and many people just dont have access to the features which lots of us take for granted in our own. We are not all receiving the same information about what is going on and that is by design. An opposition divided is made that much easier to best.
Hispanics are by far the largest immigrant population to the US. When MAGA was chanting and holding signs saying “Mass deportations now”, it was obvious that Hispanics would be the ones affected the most since they are the largest group. It’s not rocket science.
Yep, concerted propaganda campaigns. They could not have won if Hispanics were united against Trump.
I have an idea that this guy is more very motivated, so he will make his way back to america just to wreak havoc…yep, he’s going to vote for the child rapist again.
Bella ciao
it’s not funny or cool:
actually sent to a maximum-security prison in the southern African kingdom of Eswatini—a nation accused of human-rights abuses that none of the men have any connection to.
he might be a cunt, but he doesn’t deserve a life sentence in a maximum security torture prison
He wanted that to happen to other people.
He does deserve it.
And we can acknowledge that the system is fucked even though by chance it punished a cunt.
id rather no one get deported to concentration camps. but that twat doesn’t get to complain.
id rather no one get deported to concentration camps.
Then how will concentration camps make any profits??
Think!!/s
fine, we can send them our billionaires. as a treat
With all their combined bootstrap-grabbing capabilities the camp production will soar!!
plus, it became a tourist attraction.
don’t miss the 1200 whipping of bill gates. or the 1pm feeding of maggoty bread to Elon.
no matter how much we raise prices at the souvenir shop people keep buying.
When they sell enough overpriced souvenirs the owner of the camp gets to stay in it!!
He’s a cunt who was perfectly happy doing that to other people. I’m not supporting Trump’s agenda by taking pleasure in the suffering of someone who actually does. Fuck this guy.
fuck this guy for sure.
the silver lining is at least he’s being forced to see what he’s been supporting this whole time… but he still doesn’t deserve this.
he’s been on hunger strike for a couple weeks now… fuck this guy but not like, fuck him to death in a torture prison….
i guess it’s the gritty, bloody, reality version of a leopard eating one’s face…He should be allowed to make videos & post them online, just to see the mental gymnastics.
… unless he is somehow still pro mass deportations to random countries that can’t say no to USA monies.
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That’s an absolutely terrible opinion.
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You won’t see me lamenting it.
then you’re a fascist, and fuck you.
btw this is happening to people who weren’t trump supporters too.“I don’t feel empathy for fascists. who want to send me to a concentration camp”
Ozymandias: wow you must be the real fascist then
bullshit: misrepresentation
He just rephrased the post he’s replying to. In what way is he misrepresenting your stance?
Fascist troll doesn’t like to be called a fascist troll.
more bullshit
And you’re an obtuse twat.
I don’t give a rat’s ass if it’s happening to people who enabled this. Fuck them and fuck you too.
Regardless of anything else, I’m cracking up over the argument about
obtuse. How dare you use the English language correctly! 😄you don’t even know what obtuse means, you just know it’s an insult smart people use….
but you’re not smart and you used it wrong, you oblivious cunt.
Like I said, obtuse cunt. Go read a dictionary while you’re at it.
Richard Attenborough voice Observe, an idiot on the Internet in his native environment. Watch as he tries fruitlessly to win an argument by quoting the dictionary at another user. I’m this classic display he believes he’s won. Watch, as the other user returns to shut him down, yet again.
the google ai summary? lol, no….
you see, an obtuse angled object is difficult to fit in with other objects, which are typically 90 degrees (like a box) or less… and deliberately.
as such, we have the metaphorical definition “obtuse”, referring to difficulty….
like “oh, this dmv employee is being deliberately obtuse by adding all of these arbitrary requirements to my license renewal”.
the obtuse=stupid definition comes the vernacular misunderstanding of the term because they heard smart people talking on Shawshank Redemption before and want to sound smart.
but you won’t understand this anyways… kindly fuck off and clutch your pearls and cope and mental gymnastics clown emoji
That doesn’t make them a fascist. Just a bad person
they are not since ozymandias is full of shit
Just going off of what was said because fascism has a meaning, I have no beef with the other poster
you don’t care that he’s literally lying?
scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds
Everything I don’t like is fascism. Go clutch your fucking pearls where someone gives a fuck.
“pearl clutching” was kinda funny 10 years ago
What does this even mean, who said anything about liberals
Hey man, you can’t be a reasonable person on the left anymore, didn’t you get the memo? The groupthink is now all about screeching for the blood of our Enemies (countrymen). If you don’t want every Trump voter taken out back and shot, you aren’t welcome in the Revolution™
hey don’t start pushing me back to hating everyone….
damn it i’m misanthropic again….
everything cool gets taken over by people just along for the ride
at least there’s still Stoic philosophy keeping it real….Stoicism should not be a shield to guard you from reality. Acknowledge those things that you cannot control, that many people do in fact suck, and focus on the choices you can make. We know people suck, and that history tells us they can suck a whole lot harder. You can accept defeat, tell yourself nothing can be done and resign yourself to whatever consequences may come from that, or?
that’s a very stoic take on the situation… thanks
One reaps what they sow.
deep
It’s quite funny though. Cool, not so much. But reaping what you sawed? Yeah that’s funny as fuck.
it’s not funny.
torture is not fucking funnyCertainly not the act in itself, but wishing bad things on others only to have them happen to yourself? The irony is highly entertaining. Couldn’t have happened to a worse person.
i wish i could be entertained by it, but i just see mentally ill man sent to be tortured to death in small african dictatorship’s max prison… im sure maximum security means nothing there and its just a little slice of hell….
and of course i see: they’re going to send people like us to places like that, pretty soon… if they keep getting away with it.
I think a lot of people here are experiencing schadenfreude, and aren’t capable of contextualizing that anymore. You’re not wrong, not even remotely. Sadly, a bull that’s wrong and a bull that’s right still butt heads and the heaviest bull will win regardless.
Don’t be a bull. Be a matador. (Kinda… Like matadors actually are awful but I hope the metaphor at least comes through) You can guide an angry bull. Ask questions until your point becomes self evident. It’s not easy but if you want to move the needle, you can’t just be another bull in the ring.
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nothing in your (biased) AI link says it’s a torture prison.
I feast on your crocodile tears drama queen, and of that gusano POS“gusano”?
so throwing xenophobic slurs now?It later was used to describe Cuban exiles in general, and their Cuban-American descendants.
so, fuck your racism, your childish cliche insults, and i’m really sorry but that link was from me copying a paragraph from the article in my previous comment, one hop up from the comment you read… i’m so so very sorry.
I love Cubans, the real Cubans so definitely not racist.
You can not insult real Cubans by using their name for gusanos.
That is used to describe the traitors, exploiters and followers of the dictator Batista put there by the US regime.
The scum who had to flee to the US banana republic when they were overthrown by the people. And their awful vulgar offspring with generally the same disgusting mindset. So fuck you for being a liar, and defender of gusanosfuck you, you racist piece of shit.
and he’s not a follower of Batista, who died in fucking 1973, you racist idiot.
It later was used to describe Cuban exiles in general, and their Cuban-American descendants.
This line simply is not in the article. Just because that guy is lazy and blames everything on “AI” doesn’t really give you an excuse for lying, There is also no “previous comment”.
“Gusano” is a derogatory term based on politics, not race. It was used by Castro to insult counter-revolutionaries and exiles.
i’m so so very sorry.
No, your condescension does not obscure the weakness of your post.
that line was from somewhere else… i give up… do what’s in your heart
adios gusano
Have the life you voted for.
Question: if we are against deportation of immigrants in general, is it acceptable to report the particular immigrants we don’t like so they get deported?
fuck no.
I get using the tools they are creating against them. but this isn’t it.
Obviously not
“it’s fine if the nazis send people i don’t like into camps”
But in the above cases you’re ironically getting rid of nazi supporters.
Look, i dont feel sorry for this dumbass, but there is nothing that somebody could do that would justify sending them to a concentration camp that wouldnt also justify hacking them apart via machete. So if you got someone this might apply to: get to da
chopperchoppingI mean. Someone’s getting sent to the camp regardless.
Some good has come of this. I support MAGAt deportations.
he wasn’t deported, he was sent to a maximum security prison that tortures people, for life.
that’s slow motion murderTheir deportation appears to be part of a secretive transfer arrangement between the U.S. and Eswatini—an extension of Trump’s broader effort to expand the U.S. deportation program into Africa, despite warnings from human rights groups and lawyers who say the practice denies deportees due process and exposes them to abuse.
Documents obtained by The New York Times show that the Eswatini government at one point requested $500 million from the U.S. in exchange for accepting third-country deportees.
maybe don’t support leopard who campaign on eating your face just because you can only orgasms when leopards are eating your neighbours faces.
wat?
the guy was in favour of politicians sending his neighbours to foreign torture camps, he can’t complain that the people he voted for sent him there.
huh?
god you’re an annoying troll.
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But isn’t that also a very expensive way to murder people? How can they afford a massive system like that?
well they could take funding from other places?
it’s not a linear plan though… eventually they’ll shift to extermination domestically.
for one i’m sure it’s cheaper per-person, per-day, to imprison someone in a foreign country.
But i think the main motivation right now is just the legal loophole of offshore torture… that and it’s the “flood the zone” strategy (bannon).
After all of the uproar and legal stuff about El Salvador, they shifted to sending people to a whole bunch of other third world dictatorship’s maximum security prisons.
after El Salvador got a lot of press, a lot of other countries probably stepped in and made offers.Sounds like there’s also a lot of potential for soviet style gulags, forced labor camps, or basically just slavery. If that’s what USA is offering, many dictatorships would probably be glad to make a deal. Once USA figures out how to have gulgas on their own soil, the expenses will suddenly vanish entirely.
Brother we’ve had
slavePrison labor since Russians were serfs.
I asked him, ‘Why did you even support Trump?’” Monica said. “And he was like, ‘He’s the president. Have faith that things are gonna be different and things are gonna change.’”
BAM! Be the change you want to see in the world /s
was he pro trump, or like a badly educated apolitical person who thought the US president was competent and had common sense?
from that quote alone he seems stupid and ignorant.
And he’d probably still vote for him again, regardless.
Beastiality Barbie is at it again.
Plenty of actual Panthera pardus in Africa, so that works out nicely.
instead of panthera onca found in the americas.
Personally, I wouldn’t object if the jaguars got in on the face-eating party. Lord knows there’s plenty of face to go around.
🎶🎶Oh my God! I will vote, for Donald Trump! 🎶🎶 Bet he was singing that song.
I asked him, ‘Why did you even support Trump?’” Monica said. “And he was like, ‘He’s the president. Have faith that things are gonna be different and things are gonna change.’”
Things did change for Monica—but not for th
BAM! Be the change you want to see in the world :)
