X should be abolished.
No, seriously. That location feature that unveiled, that 2/3 of MAGA supporting accounts were Russia and Chinese accounts? He disabled the feature. Xitter is a political influencing tool, nothing less.
Makes me wonder why they enabled it. Maybe they were really were stupid enough to think those were legitimate accounts.
Nope, Musk wanted to prove that liberal accounts were bots. Anyone has a source? Was 1 or 2 weeks ago.
Elon Musk should be abolished.
In a typically European fashion too!
I can’t decide who is more obvious about their ulterior reasons
Just ban X in the EU already. Nothing of value will be lost.
I wouldn’t ban. I would make it liable for anything that gets written on it unless it can positively identitfy the user writing it. The supply it with the identify framework that allows it to anonymously identify the users and require it to only show identified users. I guarantee it that 99% of the bullshit, bots, AI slop disappears overnight and real people might actually be able to interact with each other again.
Haha, it’d be funny if NATO perceived that as a threat and just blew up Tesla’s European offices.
that’d be nice.
X should be expriorpiated, renamed back to Twitter, and made into a public non-profit service that runs on his taxes.
Twitter was garbage long before Elon. This world does not need social media.
Forbid anyone with political influence from using Twitter. Only allow funny remarks and shower thoughts.
And cats.
coff coff says the person who has hawk tuah in their user coff coff coff
The Tuah Hawk is a majestic bird.
Twitter peaked around 2014 and it was pure shit since as all the right wing thugs and Nazis overtook it.
Humans can’t be humans.
Or, we could just ban it and let the user-base migrate to decentralized alternatives. If govs want to fund instances run by non-profit, good for them and their citizens.
It is time for the EU to kick out all these too big to fail corporations that are openly hostile to European culture. Megacorporations are a direct threat to all citizens rights.
This. It’s crazy to think some dumbass rich american can openly ask for the dissolvement of a progressive, free market just because it tries to protect it’s citizen from greed, propaganda and stolen data.
Fuck Elon, and fuck every american oligarch that thinks Europe will just buckle for them.
I don’t think that at all. and if anybody asks why I’m even commenting on this when I live in America, its because most of my extended family lives there. I share their pain.
Nothing of value is lost if Twitter access goes. Booting out Microsoft , Google , etc will be harder
They are already working on Microsoft
please
Are we talking de-bundling teams from office 365 or actual legit replacements to the Microsoft stack?
The Microsoft stack itself is being replaced.
For the OS and Office I know the equivalents, but what about GUI driven MDM, cloud MDM and directory services? Cloud storage and online document editing. I’m sure something exists but I couldn’t name those solutions currently.
There are plenty of options for MDM and directory services and cloud storage and online document editing has a million alternatives.
So if you had to build a cloud only equivalent to Microsoft 365 setup based on FOSS / European software alternatives, what would it look like?
I only ask as for companies to adopt this setup over Microsoft or Google work space it’s going to have to offer the same feature set and level of integration between components. But also have a path for less experienced IT teams to manage it. Otherwise it’s a much harder sell.
Another poster mentioned Next cloud, which I had heard of as an alternative to personal OneDrive via my tinkering with dietpi, it does look pretty fleshed out for enterprise also. But obviously for corporations, they will want tools for enterprise level device management, data protection across devices and cloud, etc so just wondered who is offering those solutions currently.
all for the abolishment of Microsoft word?
Microsoft will be easier, at least for public services, in the coming future since Europe currently pushes hard for FOSS instead of US owned companies.
For consumer markets we’ll need better alternatives still because it’s harder to convert your citizens away from something they grew up to be used to over the last 20 years.
How far along adopton though? I see a few German city councils move across to FOSS but I would guess it’s a long way to go before US equivalents are the smaller percentage.
If you wanted to replace Office 365, intune and Azure, what would your foss equivalents be? I guess the OS would Be something like SUSE and Libre Office for documents, but what about cloud storage and online document editing? What is the FOSS equivalent GUI driven MDM of Linux devices or cloud directory services? I ask this as I haven’t heard of the equivalents rather than to argue they don’t exist.
It’s a struggle to get consumers off of Twitter, at this point I don’t believe we will get them to drop iPads, Chromebooks etc unless we are actually at war with America, it feels impossible. I’d argue that will be true for a lot of EU based international business also.
The EU institutions act like megacorps though and they’ve been veering right as of late
There are definitely valid criticism about the EU and its many processes. The bureaucracy, undemocratic representation, and issues around sovereignty are just a few to name.
Having said that, they have done far more to reign in our digital future than anyone else. So it is not all bad.
thank you
They are not too big to fail for Europe. The EU has fined msft, Google, meta and others. Apple even changed their flagship product to comply.
Why ban them when you can tax them and fine them if they don’t comply? Sure, we need to be vigilant of lobbying, but there are no current alternatives to most American tech giants.
Use the tax money to fund FOSS.
You make excellent points. I truly believe with open source and some investments that every government can host everything they need internally.
I think this could have been done twenty years ago, but it is never too late to invest in our collective software future instead of letting corporations monopolize everything.
As far as social media, they will have to comply or exit the market. I would be wary of places like Zombie Twitter. They have already been proven to interfere with elections in other countries.
We are obviously facing a lot of policy making in order to reign in our digital future. Unfortunately, the US shows exactly zero appetite to pump the breaks. Let alone pull the ebrake and come to a screeching halt like they need to.
We don’t need to be reminded that Meta and Microsoft have contributed server resources to enacting a genocide. Even IBM helped the Nazi with their final solution during WWII. American companies are absolutely not to be trusted.
In the US they just seized TikTok because they didn’t like it, being under Chinese control.
Why don’t we just do the same to X in the EU? It must make sense in their minds… orrrr??
Nah, just make them pay the taxes in EU without any loophole to avoid them. And it could be done simply even without they collaboration.
Fine him again!
How is anything these billionaires “said” considered news today?
The feeling is just so mutual about Nazi Twitter for people living in the EU.
IMO: the DSA & DMA should hold executives accountable for their company’s behaviour. Someone is making those decisions. And all of the corporate law in the world would be abided a whole lot faster and a hell of a lot more diligently if there was the executive’s skin at stake for breaking it.
Also: Fuck Musk, as he’s a Nazi cunt making a Hitler salute at when being inaugurated as a minister.
Edit: Also, the only thing destroying european culture are the Techno-oligarchs in the USA.
Nah you see they are silent responsible for the companies success. But when something goes wrong there is no possible way they could know everything that goes on in the company. And they get big pay because they take all the risk. I have never understood that one what risk golden parachute not big enough.
Not the only thing, oligarchs from the east are also doing their part, and to be honest, oligarchs from within too.
at this point, we must all reluctantly use force to stop oligarchs around the world. seriously!
No reluctance required.
This is strong evidence that EU is actually working for the benefit of the general population, and not just for the benefit of the rich.
Nah, the EU is just “less sellout” than most others. There are terrible things coming from the EU as well. But generally I much prefer living in the EU than pretty much anywhere else.
Or put another way: While there are bad things coming from the EU, there are actually often also pretty good things coming from it. It’s all relative of course, but I also can’t see another place where I would rather live.
The EU is neo-liberals and neo-conservatives, just like the US. They’ve recently also stepped up their fear mongering. Guess where this is headed…
Exactly. It’s very much a matter of degrees.
Notice how I very carefully wrote “not JUST for the benefit of the rich”
EU is not one sided, it also has a lot of stuff that makes it possible to run a business well, and so it ALSO benefit the rich, but contrary to more corrupt/greedy societies, EU does a lot to also protect consumers and human rights.
I honestly can’t imagine where I’d want to go if EU turns further shit than it currently is trying to turn with Chat Control. Many beautiful countries in South America, but they have violent histories and you never know when there’s a dictatorship again, either with or without help from the US. South-East Asia maybe? Republic of China seemed nice a decade and a half ago when I was a teenager and didn’t know it would be endangered by People’s Republic of China. I just watched M13 ride his motorcycle on their roads on YouTube and it was beautiful.
I think currently the best bet for anyone looking to escape from EU if things go bad here (either corporations manage to take hold over too many EU politicians, or Putin attacks my tiny little border country) is Uruguay. I hear they have mostly sensible policies and are good for LGBTQ+ rights (not an issue for me personally, but still a positive because I’d still like my friends to feel safe visiting me if I move to another country and some of them may be affected)
Not really, just that it doesn’t work in favour of this rich guy in particular.
Good enough for me
The problem is that we also have many of these assholes in each of our countries, with the same opinions as Musk (but perhaps a little quieter about it) and with enough resources to also buy politicians and cause damage. It is the citizen’s duty to be vigilant. It should be the journalists’ duty to expose them, but investigative journalism has been dying, giving way almost exclusively to opinion-shaping commentators.
This rich guy is the richest man in the world thanks also to the business he does in europe. We are talking below a thread about something he said. You are getting fooled hard
Counterpoint: Chat Control
Which is not a thing, EU does NOT have chat control, it is only a debate, and judging from experience, if they ever make a decision on it, it more likely than not will be quite sensible.
Hate to break it to you, must most member states are supporting chat control by now
Everything can be misrepresented, which is what you are doing. The reason there are talks about this is that it isn’t legal within the current framework of EU regulation.
So to make it possible, new regulation is needed!!!
I am very skeptical that any EU country is already doing it, except in ways that are legal within regulation that protect the privacy of EU citizens.
Otherwise it is illegal, and those states are breaking EU regulation, and that is absolutely NOT the responsibility of EU!!https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-10-2025-003250_EN.html
This is an example of the skepticism within EU about breaking the protected privacy.
EU is not perfect, but it is 10 times more perfect than what it is often accused of.Please state something that is actually wrong, instead of this moronic fearmongering!
I don’t think you understand what is being decided here. This isn’t about making legal what other countries are already doing, this is creating the framework for countries to introduce this kind of shit legally.
A dismembered chat control version where it is only voluntary.
No chat app is going to voluntarily add it, and even if they did you can easily switch to a chat app that doesn’t, which isn’t illegal.
Just because there are a bunch of fascists trying to implement it doesn’t mean the entire EU is working against the general population. Literally every other instance of the EU doing something has helped the general population. The EU is one of the best things to ever happen to Europe.
only voluntary … No chat app is going to voluntarily add it
To cite bender from futurama:
Hahahahahhahaha.
Oh wait, you’re serious? Let me laugh even harder.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Not sure if you’ve noticed, but “voluntary” usually results in mandatory after a while. We had this happen so often already. Remember the “Voluntary” Code of Conduct on hate speech in the EU? Yeah that started out as voluntary - then there was the DSA, digital services act, which uses the “voluntary” code of conduct as the baseline of determining if they are compliant. So the thing that started out voluntary is not effectively mandatory.
Or, in the US, there was the REAL ID system which was a voluntary system aswell - well, until it wasn’t because it is now required to board flights or you’ll be denied entry into certain federal facilities if you don’t have it.
So no - voluntary isn’t voluntary for long. There is usually mission creep which, at some point, makes it mandatory.
and even if they did you can easily switch to a chat app that doesn’t, which isn’t illegal
Very weak argument, as messaging apps are only popular if people use them - and we know exactly how hard that is for most people. Whatsapp has been shitting on people for years and still it’s the most popular messaging app.
Just because there are a bunch of fascists trying to implement it doesn’t mean the entire EU is working against the general population.
That is not the point. The problem isn’t whether people pushing it are “fascists”, it’s that the policy is structurally dangerous because it can be used by fascists in the future. Once the framework is in place, changing the rules becomes a matter of weeks.
Of course “the entire EU” isn’t acting in bad faith. But harmful laws don’t require bad intent or unanimous malice. They only require a majority that underestimates long-term consequences. And please remember that this would not be the first badly thought out law they had passed.
In germany, there is a saying which roughly translates to: “The opposite of well done is well meant”.
All those upvotes really need to get their heads out of the sand and read the room, the EU is on its way to becoming the US of E and fast.
Pretty stupid comment to make, since this fine to X is clearly evidence of the exact opposite.
Also you vary conveniently omit to qualify your claim in any way. It’s just an opinion stated as a fact, but with no evidence.
EU still stands for democracy, international law and human rights. All points where EU is the exact opposite of USA that is abandoning all those ideals, that they used to claim to stand for.EU still stands for democracy, international law and human rights.
Chat Control and flimsy sactiobs to Russia or Israel say otherwise.
Binary thinking does that to you.
EU has the most heavy sanctions against Russia ever instated in the existence of EU. Some of those sanctions even introduced at great cost.
And many EU countries have sanctions on exporting weapons to Israel. And EU has definitely been critical of Israel for years, also before the current crisis.
And for fucks sake there is no chat control in EU!! You are speculating on an unknown outcome of ongoing negotiations.You are being unreasonable and irrational. What country or union is acting more fairly respecting democracy, human rights and international law more than EU?
There may be a couple that are better, and then there are 300 that are worse, how the fuck do you imagine EU to do much better than it’s already doing?
You are living in lala land.There is no chat control… yet (that was a very closed call), but worry not, the digital omnibus is on ts way. If that gets rejected, something else will come along to destroy your privacy… sorry, I mean to save the children.
If your measure is “oh but the others are worse” I guess that says it all.
By all means keep trying to attack me, it’s enteirtaining, but you’ll be talking to the void.
A democracy among hundreds of millions of people always require compromises.
You are naive, and believe some glossy image matching you personal ideals, and apparently being better than basically everybody else is far from good enough for you.
You are letting perfection stand in the way of progress, your type is outright dangerous, because your thinking is borderline fanatic, because you won’t compromise on the reasonably balanced to avoid pure evil.EU is a work in progress, and has made many improvements since it conception. EU is not going back like USA and Russia, but is standing firm on humanitarian values.
This is strong evidence that you are getting all fooled like idiots. You are talking below a thread about something elon musk said
“I got caught and punished for breaking the law. Those laws shouldn’t exist though by the way 😢, for unrelated reasons of course”
Oh look, a tantrum. How unbecoming of the richest pedophile on the planet.
I mean they could do what he asks and each individual county could hit him with the exact same fine
It works because the EU nations are stronger together, and musk can’t rebel against this fine without risking a big chunk of his profits.
True. While my comment is based mostly on drunken self amusement based on my own country’s dumbest decision to bail on the EU. The rules dont change overnight and this would result in fines based on those rules would transfer to each former member
Also its fucking twitter one of the things that my country is looking to hamfistedlely regulate I can’t imagine the rest bending the knee
You and I then share our disgust at our country committing an incomprehensible act of self-harm leaving the EU. At least you have the consolation of Scotland voting remain; England has no such insight. I would like to apologise on behalf of English and Wales for the barbaric stupidity that has been forced upon us all. And Scotland rarely supports rightwing UK governments, having a heart in the right place and a head firmly screwed on, voting left more than not. I can understand Scots wanting to quit the UK, but I’m very very grateful indeed that you all haven’t. If Nicola Sturgeon had been Prime Minister of all of the UK, tens of thousands of dead English folk would still be alive today post covid.
He may be a lot of things, but he isn’t a pedophile.
Man, I know so many rich-ass dragons sitting on their hoards that fuck children that if he’s never stuck his claws in children, I’ll be surprised.
