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“I wasn’t going to have kids but I changed my mind when I got a letter from the government telling me it was time” --nobody
I will start thinking of having kids, when goverments start taking global warming seriously and create a system, where I get to spend time with my kid without ruining myself economically.
I have many friends around this age or older.
Only people who got money for flat / house from family, have kids. Others waiting as they will be financially stable.
People want to have kids, but they often dont afford them…
All we did was create an economy where no one has the time or money for kids… why is no one having kids!?
California governor trying to force ppl back into office. That will certainly help to free up time with all the traffic ppl will be in!
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Why would I want to bring another person into this world hellscape?
For the oligarchs to use as slaves to make billions off of!
Or to rape, kill, and eat.
Unfortunately, we dont even get to choose which one.
When I was growing up in the 80s they said global warning would affect our children’s children so we should start doing something about it.
Guess what, it’s happening to us, already. Why would I bring more people into it. At least I’ll be dead before it gets really really bad but statistically I’ll see things like the last Coral reefs dying and the amazon rain forest disappearing.
For anyone else wondering why 29-year-olds specifically:
The letter is being sent to 29-year-olds because women are able to have their eggs frozen at that age without a medical certificate. Women will also be reminded that social security in France covers the cost of freezing eggs for women between 29 and 37.
The article also does mention the arguments that short maternity leave, environmental concerns, and negative outlooks on the future in the country deters people from having children.
So not quite as harsh as the “hurry up and reproduce!” message the title implies.
Ok that’s actually reasonable. “Hey you’re getting older, if you want kids now’s a good age to either start trying or freeze some eggs” is something I never would have thought was necessary until entering my 30s and learning multiple people older than me in my life absolutely did not understand that they were approaching the “now or never” age and well into the age where bad luck can take all the chances they have left.
It’s weird hearing people in their mid 30s say they plan on having kids someday
I had my first kid at 40. I wasn’t raising kids in poverty or expecting to saddle a huge education debt on them.
It’s weird hearing people say they plan on having kids someday
FTFY.
I mean, FFS. Have they no eyes, ears, or lungs? gestures at all this current reality 🥺
Knowing how society, government, and policy have evolved over the past few decades, if any woman gets her eggs frozen, the elites will just take ownership if said eggs once the artificial wombs are perfected… or once they get enough slave surrogates to do it in the shadows on some island somewhere.
Here’s an idea: make raising children affordable.
Here’s an idea: don’t make your economic system rely on the fact that every single person reproduces
That was never and is still not possible.
Roughly a 2x productivity boost will counteract a ~ 50% reproduction rate, simple economics. We just choose not to even try to have a system that would allow that
So double the work hours?
That’s not the lie we’re sold every waking hour, friendo. Get on the same page, thanks.
Who tells you that any system we have ever had could work without children?
You having a stroke?
How about just make existing more affordable for everyone, whether they want kids or not.
I hope everyone who gets one sends a letter back telling the government to get on with taxing the damn billionaires.
Reply with an invoice for €1 million.
Not sure about France, but if you take a look at how much money the state is investing in each child here in Germany, that is quite a lot and well over 100.000€
we’re this close tho have state mandated wives
A drop in birth rates is generally seen as a sign of increasing prosperity in a population… Up to a point. After a certain line it’s a sign of decreasing financial confidence and insecurity.
Its always “have more children” and never “here is 1 million dollars to have a child comfortably”
It has nothing to do with money and everything to do with community.
People aren’t having kids because communities have been hollowed out.
And communities have been hollowed out because everyone is out for 9 hours a day making money.
Making money… So that they can buy a tv so they can spend their last two hours of awake time alone watching tv.
Cause my community meet up is totally at 8:30 PM directly after I put my kids down. I get it, if you want it you gotta put in the elbow grease. But this was done purposefully and it worked wonders.
How would children be treated if they are only conceived for the money?
How many parents would hand them a tablet and leave them to themselves?
If a country wants people to birth so much, it can cover the upbringing, no need to pay the parents.
While France isn’t as bad as the US
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Make affordable “Family friendly” housing. It’s hard to live alone in Paris, let alone as a family of four
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Spend money in education so we have decent public school, and can deal with bullies
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The whole global warming and geopolitical tension make getting kids scary, the 2020’s looks like the bad scenario young millennials were talking about in the 00’s.
I think “invest in IRL social institutions and socially encourage and incentivise people to be positively involved in their IRL communities” and the babies will come soon enough.
But, instead the constant “your miserable life is for work” message doesn’t really make people want to skiddley-poo.
people always want to skiddely poo but only idiots accidentally reproduce
People might want to skiddley-poo but you actually have to meet someone IRL outside of work to do it.
skip the outside of work part. do it right there !
why do you think so many people meet at work
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“Procreation is creating one more human who is going to pollute and consume. It is a secondary reason for me, but I have friends who are clear they do not want children because of that,” he added.
