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Lemmy has a real problem with alts and sock puppeting
Doesn’t help that admins have at times decided to encourage alt’ing to bypass bans “because if they are good faith participants, they won’t get banned again”. The problem is the whole federated system means accommodating different standards.
As a proponent of any decent implementation of the idea, I’d just like to point out that if we could select our own moderators for communities, a lot of these alts and sock puppets would probably have been handled by the people I would have aggregated to the list instead of just waiting for the time zone or availability to roll over to the official ones. A lot of these are blatantly obvious.
I don’t think any amount of democratic community moderation voting (this case here is more to do with an absent instance owner) would prevent the phenomenon of idle, disinterested or otherwise too-busy moderators letting their communities be overrun.
Admin of what instance said that? I’ve only ever seen the opposite opinion.
They know who they are, and it depends on what’s involved. Even if the ban was clearly in bad faith, the tune changes when it’s someone co-mingling in their circles, and I’ll leave it at that since it would involve old Matrix conversations. If you haven’t, that’s good, although it’s what ban happy behavior encourages. The only people whom bans like those works against are good faith participants.
I noticed you have an 11 day old account… I take it you gathered enough bans to warrant a new account?
Gmail lets you put a . or a + <word> in your email address so you can still receive it.
So if your email is bob@gmail.com, you can register a new account as bob+alt1@gmail.com and then bob+alt2@gmail.com… Since + is a valid email address character most places accept it and you can make infinite accounts with one email…
Work with some fr33 tr14ls but don’t tell everyoneYou really aren’t making a good case for yourself if you are trying to promote ban evasion. Were your critics right, and is your gig up now?
And no, this is just an alt, after experiencing some rather concerning double standards of enforcement in another instance as well as an harsh degree of escalation from said enforcement, this account represents a different approach on a platform that handles some things better than Lemmy’s and avoids any presence on the aforementioned instance.
I’m actually trying to promote more proactive anti-ban evasion
What the fuck is even going on in this thread.
one or more bigots keep making lots of harassment accounts to attack draconic neo. they spam posts like this and the trans communities too with their shit
Hobbyless behavior.
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Last I remember there was some dude spinning up a bunch of transphobic bot accounts just to troll the real Draconic_neo
Which may be related to why you were banned if they mistook you for one of those accounts or maybe theyre just sensitive to it because theyre being targeted
They also are very pro ai though so that was probably what got you banned
I thought it felt like bot based spam…
I’m actually pro ai and using it at this very moment… I’m against a lot of things related to it, like data centers with massive pollution and people using ai to impersonate art and stuff… But I do enjoy it.
That’s not the real draconic neo. I feel that should be obvious enough
They are definitely doing a lot of smoke screening against the actual complaints. Still doesn’t stop OP from looking good when they call them out. I don’t know about your claims, but I’ve definitely seen users be as manipulative as that long before even reddit was a thing.
I’d stick to calling the trolls out instead of implicating the powermod, though (even if it’s just because they are using an impostor nick and you are citing it correctly). They seem to have done that to themselves through their actions.
Should be pretty easy to figure out the mod responsible, especially since it’s across multiple instances.
Either way, I’m really not a fan of mods just banning someone from every single comm they mod. If you want to be an admin, make your own instance please.
It’s very “reddit like” abuse of power behavior.
And is honestly something instance admins should be able to crack down on.
It’s easy enough to defederate from instances that are toxic, but it’s not so easy to do the same for individual communities that are mass owned by one or two people who abuse their power.
Someone else already figured it out.
It’s kinda a convoluted way to troll people I guess… Meta trolling? Preemptive trolling?
Trying to develop software for crowds of people is hard (I’m working on a decentralized, zero mod, anonymous app right now… In theory but I have problems).
There’s always someone finding a loophole to abuse people with. My first instinct was: don’t let mods ban people from comms they’ve never interacted with before, but then there are real trolls just trying to harass people on as many places as possible… So it makes sense to get ahead of them.
I guess it’s up to the admins to remove the account? But they can just create a new account, another 20 comms, and then spam people’s mod logs.
I suppose it’s growing pains of lemmy; gotta make it easy in order to grow, but then it’s too easy.
My solution is: make it harder to create a community for new users.
Or maybe, if a user has never interacted with w community, don’t put it in their mod log when they’ve been banned?
Or at least make them justify the ban so there’s some record of exactly how they’re making stuff up.
My only guess is that about a month before I got banned for saying, (and I am sorry and I really am not trying to hurt anyone and I’m not invalidating anyone’s existence)
Is that “nonbinary” is not the most accurate term for people because it, seems to me, to imply that gender is binary. The offensive part is because I think it’s popular because the concept of “binary” is popular… (I’m a programmer, I love binary).
It’s not like, a big deal to me or anything, I just think there’s a better term out there or waiting to be made. non-gendered or something makes more sense but doesn’t sound as cool…
I stated my opinion indelicatly and I get why my post was removed… But not being called transphobic or banned from that com for life because I questioned the temporary ban, and then a month later 20 more comms like I’m a Nazi just trying to harass people or something.I have room for improvement and can be nicer (less “toxic”) but just silencing people forever is pretty common with, let’s say politicized topics, and counterproductive.
[…] Is that “nonbinary” is not the most accurate term for people because it, seems to me, to imply that gender is binary.
It does not imply that. If it did, it would defeat itself, because there is no place for nonbinary in binary. It implies that a slice of gender can be seen as binary (Men and Women), but there is more to it.
Ok, I’m not trying to assert that really, just guessing why…
It seems like they’re just an anti-trans troll creating a bunch of alt accounts calling their mod account (DraconicNEO) an anti trans troll in order to be confusing and chaotic and pretend like they’re the joker or something…
It’s impressive how obsessed they are I guess.
Here’s the mod who did all this btw:
They’ve been on a tear lately it seems.
Yeah that checks out.
infamous
Thank you, fellow enthusiast
They can go ahead and ban me so I don’t accidentally hurt their delicate feelings.
so brave.
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Some mods have victim complex think if they shut down any dissenting voice they have achieved
It’s like a dozen people that seem to fuel the dramatic arcs of the fediverse.
That’s actually true.
I had a “block 1 idiot per day” policy until I caught the few “big fish” without really knowing it.
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Without trying to read the comments or understand context in any way because internet drama is super boring…
if everywhere you go smells like shit, maybe it’s time to check your shoe
I had zero interaction with that mod or any of their communities, so maybe you’re one being stinky
so maybe you’re one being stinky
I’m starting to understand why people might want to ban you.
Why’s that?
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For the record, I’m not transphobic, I’m not cisgender for sure… My kids is trans…
“Gee I wonder why Lemmy isn’t more popular!”
Also, I have never interacted with most of those communities
This was a problem with Reddit that Lemmy never attempted to solve: you piss one person off (maybe not even through any fault of your own) and rather than just block you, they ban you from every community they moderate.
However, Reddit didn’t really have a solution to that. Lemmy kind of does: you can make any community you want, and communities that pull crap like this might be avoided by users who don’t tolerate that kind of thing. Or they might not, but the users have more power here.
One thing Reddit was good for was, one mod would make communities like, say, “iPhone 16,” “iPhone 17,” “iPhone 18,” and so on up to like 50, and then lock them until that phone was announced. Same with game series, movie franchises etc. Then when people opened rival communities, they would brigade them, harass them, post things there with dummy accounts that would violate Reddit rules and get the community banned, stuff like that.
Lemmy isn’t going to fix all of Reddit’s problems because Lemmy is trying to be an alternative to Reddit, which means the more people Reddit pisses off, the more of them are going to end up here and most of them are going to do the same shit here that they did there. And until people show them that that behaviour will not be tolerated… they’re just gonna keep doing it.
Lemmy communities need a “total blocked” counter so I can use the information to choose.
However, Reddit didn’t really have a solution to that. Lemmy kind of does: you can make any community you want, and communities that pull crap like this might be avoided by users who don’t tolerate that kind of thing. Or they might not, but the users have more power here.
You say that, but I’m banned from !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world because of a mod’s hissy fit, yet it remains the biggest community on Lemmy.
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I sometimes block obnoxious people, but I only block myself from seeing them, right? Their newer comments will still be visible for anyone else. I guess the fediverse cannot handle real blocking of people, right ?
I mean I can understand (not in OPs case) sometimes you want to ban a person, not just block them (again, not in OPs situation, that’s just a childish mod).
Lemmy doesn’t, PieFed does.
If you block someone on PieFed their replies to your comment won’t federate out of the instance they posted it on.
Sorted.
Are you a mod there? Are you Quokk… or?
Neat!
Correct.
You can also, before you block them as a user, look and see what they mod, if anything.
Block all those comms, then, block the user.
If everyone were to adopt a paradigm like this, active engagement with the… way that lemmy works, to express displeasure with certain people or comms…
You end up with a kind of dynamic equilibrium… people who are disliked, disagreed with… their comms just stagnate.
But, the whole trick is convincing people that… their engagement with lemmy as a system, as a collection of basically message boards run by people… well, it requires active engagement, if you don’t want it to redditify, ossify into cliques of ludicrous powermods.
An asymmetrically balanced psuedo-direct democracy, if ya’ll can keep it.
How does that interaction with moderation I wonder, like, if you moderate a place, you presumably need to be able to see what is going on in it, to see if something breaching whatever conduct standards you have has been posted. If you have a bunch of users that you can’t see, doesn’t that undermine your ability to do that?
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What’s “gender ideology”?
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… It is transphobic.
For the record, I’m not transphobic, I’m not cisgender for sure… My kids is trans…
I’m sure you know better than most people how crazy the trans activists can get.
Some of them do overreact… And quite loudly…
It’s honestly relatable considering how persecuted trans people are right now (it’s now a crime to have anything not related to your assigned gender at birth, in the presence of a minor, in Ohio. So it’s basically illegal for JD Vance to go to Ohio because of the eyeliner and mascara.)But as relatable as it is, transphobia-phobia does quite a lot for furthering transphobia…
For context, I live in Scandinavia, where to my knowledge there’s very minimal oppression against sexual minorities, including trans. So possibly that is why the activism seems a tad crazy to me whereas it might very well be sane in some contexts.
People kill trans people here… They recently removed protections of trans inmates against rape in prison… They trying to classify it as a mental illness… There’s a loooot of crazy anti trans stuff going on.
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