I’m sorry if this breaks a rule for this sub or isn’t in the right place.
I really don’t know, most of the time I just lurk. I had an alt on Hexbear because they get defederated all the time, and I really enjoy their content, but it got banned because I called out Nazi propaganda about Ukraine(It’s why I was banned. I’m not trying to talk politics I would like to focus on Lemmy), and I’m just very confused. The rules they referenced for the ban seem to barely apply to what I said, and in general, the server seemed like a cool place to be. I definitely felt like I was in a community where I belonged.
I’m just boggled and could really use some hand-holding on this one. In general, the rules of the Lemmyverse confuse me. I want to see everything, but the places I like most are usually defederated from the larger communities.
If this isn’t right please please, just point me to where I can ask.
Thanks!
You know that fifteen year old mindset ehen you just begin to grasp the idea of and your role in social responsibility but you’re still fifteen so you’re an absolutely obnoxious shit about it? Like “omg babies all abortion is bad”. “Only white people can be racists” “shearing kills sheep!!!” level shit.
And uou know how some people never get out of that because they like the taste of what they think is moral righteousness but is actually just huffing your own biased farts while defining random “acceptable” targets to abuse?
…yeahhhhhh.
Purity politics can eat my shit.
Unfortunately, it’s what has become of the internet. If you’re not correct enough, then you are now “other.” I wish more people could see what the tribalism is doing. I miss the old internet every day. For a small window of time, we were all made closer by being able to talk to each other. Ignorance was forgiven if it was acknowledged, if you showed growth. Then assholes with money and an agenda started controlling the conversation. I’m sure there are true believers out there who stifle and snub anyone who isn’t 100% on board with their ideology, but for a time we were building coalitions to change the world.
Nah, there’s plenty of internet outside that. Those behavioural groups clump together
In dbzer0 defederations are rare, we had a community vote months ago to deferate from hexbear because of their bad moderation and the result was not doing it, the philosophy here usually is that if you don’t like some content or community, just block them.
A classical approach. That’s so refreshing.
Hexbear and ml are notorious for this type of behavior. I wouldn’t take it personally. They just act like authoritarian leftwing views are the only valid viewpoint and are incredibly thin skinned, especially when it comes to China and Russia. Consider your ban an informal initiation to lemmy. I got banned from one of their communities the other day because of something I said about Kamala Harris that they disagreed with. I also got banned from a different instance because I wasn’t nice when someone picked a fight.
Being confused about the rules for all of the different instances is normal. Just do what you’re going to do and don’t sweat it too much.
Can’t say I’ve ever spent any time inside the hexbear community, but all the external examples I’ve seen from them, not once have I ever seen anything remotely left wing. What they spout is pro-Chinese government, pro-Russian government talking points, and 0-100 death threats.
Authoritarian left, not libertarian left. Very into iron fisted centralized government.
I’ve been here for like a year but it does feel like being in highschool sometimes lol. I gotta work on regulating my emotions better.
Personal growth is always good, but don’t blame yourself for getting pissed at a tankie.
lol. No skin off my back. I just have friends in the area so I took the particular post a little personally.
Yeah, you just kinda have to not take lemmy that seriously. There may not be a bunch of crazy right wingers on here, but there are plenty of unhinged people still lol. Poke fun while it’s fun, and if a conversation/argument stops being fun, just block and move on. No one’s opinion really matters on here anyway.
Hexbear = irrational behavior and drama. That’s WAY oversimplified, but a good rule of thumb.
Hexbear is where the r/chapotraphouse people went after they were banned from Reddit.
See also:
https://lemmy.world/post/1084297
Thank you, I had found the Lemmy post, but it was three years old. That’s an eternity in online forum time. The other links still make it seem like a cool place with cool people.
You’d be better off in anarchist spaces if you want similar content without the support for invaders.
Are you allowed to make suggestions or is that against the rules? earnest question. There are tons of servers out there. I imagine Anarchist ones are also blacklisted in a lot of places.
Do you mean suggestions of anarchist instances?
There’s my instance (quokk.au), anarchist.nexus, Lemmy.dbzer0.com, and slrpnk.net as far as I’m aware.
And no blacklisting, we make up a sizeable portion of users due to the nature of the Fediverse being open.
Anarchist ones are also blacklisted in a lot of places.
Nope, they’re actually some of the larger servers (which is still pretty small all things considered, lol).
For lemmy, there’s the instance/server I’m commenting from: lemmy.dbzer0.com
It was built by the former head mod db0 of reddit’s /r/piracy, so piracy discussion is cool here too. They’ve also made a decent bunch of software for lemmy servers, like a database/review system for lemmy instances, and a CSAM detection tool.
The instance also tries to handle as many big instance/server decisions as they can democratically (donators/supporters and community members vouched for get to vote, and the rest of the server’s users act as tie-breaker).
I love the Piracy Wiki! I’m never sure if I fit in some places when applying. I might have a dbzer0 account, but I can’t remember if I got intimidated by their sign-up process or not. I’m not super tech-literate, just enough to be dangerous and think I can build a home server.
They are communists, in League with the remnants of such, Russia and China even though they are both now the worst capitalist hellscapes.
They are a sort of top-down organization, they have enforcers and they will troll you, they will troll you from other instances, they’re rather known for it.
The people in charge are pieces of fucking shit, although they have a lot of users that are pretty cool, same as .ml it’s the same people. Leadership, pieces of fucking shit, users, mostly cool.
How tf do y’all keep such close tabs on who the people are in charge of instances and the fact that they use alts from other instances to troll people and all this other petty gossip bullshit? How do you seriously keep up to speed with that nonsense?
I just scroll and comment, bro. 🤷♂️
Because some of us have run a foul of their Doctrine not knowing whom they were, and been exposed to an avalanche of trolling, and trolling from other subs or instances I guess.
What communities are these? Sounds like these are some toxic and/political communities. I try to stay away from political discourse online.
(Btw, that’s not how you use “whom” 🫣❤️, sorry for pointing it out)
Hexbear and ml, hexbear is by far the worst. New people come on and wander onto these communities and say something that upsets them and get trolled to the point where they quit let me altogether it’s actually a big problem.
I’m against censorship but many of these instances are not entirely wrong to De Federate from them, you have no idea how bad they are in this regard they are super aggressive. And their reach extends beyond those instances. If you piss them off there, they will get you banned here and there and elsewhere, and troll you.
To their credit, they were some of the original Developers as they were the first to be purged from reddit, and this is basically a Reddit refugee site.
get trolled to the point where they quit let me altogether it’s
This is why its a good idea for the bigger instances to defederate from hexbar
ml was actually my first server on the mobile app. I had no idea it was a black sheep until other communities on other servers stopped giving me access. I can’t even remember now. I’ve been on world and just viewing offline for a while now.
Yeah, but I find it important to know what the extremes are saying. It’s hard to know where you are sometimes and what can and can’t be said.
When I was on Reddit, I tried to stay in both of the extreme camps just so I could know how scared to be in my current home country. I haven’t seen any extremist stuff on Lemmy.world so it’s my main server.
No sweat on the correction. I’ll leave it so people can follow.
I think lemmy.zip tries not to defederate from anything except pedo instances, but that could be wrong.
Where is lemmy.zip hosted?
Yeah, this. Lemmy in general is a smaller community, and it’s very charged. It’s easier to piss someone off, and it’s more likely that the person you piss off is going to have the power to ban you.
In general, the rules of the Lemmyverse confuse me.
We’re a loose confederation of servers, so there’s not going to be any overseeing group keeping everyone accountable to a general set of rules. If that is a bug or a feature to you is going to impact your enjoyment, unless you continue to have multiple accounts.
I only really have some others for when there are server issues or the handful of times I feel like checking in on something defeated from World, so it doesn’t bother me often.
Can’t you just make another user profile on Hexbear?
oh yeah, sure. I likely will. I can’t say when, but before making a new account I’d like to understand the right way to act. Besides, I took a look at their application questions and I’m really not sure how my answers would land when their trying to keep that community purity someone else mentioned. Everyone deserves a space. I just have friends in Ukraine so I took that particular post personally.
I keep multiple accounts on various servers because I think it’s better to be able to read all the points of view. I like Hexbear and .ml but they do get pretty wild sometimes.
I can’t give you much advice since it looks like you’ve deleted your controversial posts on this account. What is there doesn’t seem any worse than half the people I see posting daily here.
Edit: plus do you want to mask yourself to fit in, or is it better to be yourself and find a place you fit in naturally?
Yeah true. I don’t post much but in the modern age when you say something in one community it will often get you banned somewhere else. The fact that I said I enjoy hexbear should key you in on what some of those posts were, but I tend to keep a neutral profile in neutral spaces. This profile wasn’t banned from hexbear, but I wouldn’t be suprised it it got banned now. It’s the current order of things.
It’s less about fitting in and more about keeping this profile more politically correct. Even if it fits in with the current modderation standards. I believe that in the age of AI anything said online is a data point.
I’m honestly not very familiar with Hexbear as it got defederated from here pretty early on in my time here I believe. I’ve browsed it once or twice to see what the fuss is about, but I can’t even recall what was different about it. I’m a very low drama person, and am mainly here to teach people about owls.
I’m general, just trying to consider how your reply will be met by others before posting can go a long way or considering if you’d say what you’re going to post to someone standing in front of you. I sometimes get a reply written for something, and even though I feel I may not be saying anything provoking, that it will just bring in other people that will want to make something confrontational out of it, and then I just scrap it. Not worth the annoyance.
I definitely felt like I was in a community where I belonged.
the places I like most are usually defederated from the larger communities.
I dunno bout y’all but 🚩
I’m not a tankie, but I do enjoy their memes. They don’t play well with others and they get defederated. But I promise, I’m not a tankie
Hexbear is a communist instance, the tankies get a little weird sometimes.
the places like most are usually defederated from the larger communities
This is a drawback to federation. I’m on my third instance because of stuff like this. I generally like lemmy but this is a reason it won’t ever become mainstream, be that for better or for worse.
It’s really hard to find history and lore about the various communities beyond “these ones are communist and these ones aren’t.” I tend to keep quiet most of the time for that reason. It’s not always what you say, but how you say it, and many people are operating from completely different historical touchstones. Like I said, I tend to keep alts so I can see all sides, but the world is so ban-happy these days, idk. I was pretty heated in the moment on those posts, but what can you do? shrug At least I’m getting the news and discussion I want.
Unfortunately I think being ban-happy is also a drawback of federation since some instances want to keep themselves “pure” to their identity
Yeah, but understanding a community makes it a little easier to interact with and contribute to. I don’t take it personally. I just wanted to understand it better. It’s a different online culture. same as any culture really. respect it while you’re there. I just didn’t know the unspoken norms.
