Right now, I’d pick physical labour over IT. I’m sick of being attached to a desk 12h a day looking at a screen and making some predatorial company richer.
I’d rather be cleaning up my neighborhood, planting flowers in the park, or working at an animal shelter or the local soup kitchen. Actually making a fucking difference in society.
The sickle and hammer are not representative of planting some flowers in a garden.
If you’ve never done any real farming, I recommend you try it even for a day to learn a whole new appreciation for our modern way of life. It is brutal backbreaking work … and so were most industrial jobs from the era of soviet communism.
Thank god for modernization, but I also agree on the despair of being a slave for an ultra rich asshole. I’m dealing with it by starting a corp with a couple of buddies that is owned by us and doing some work on the side … hopefully this can eventually free us from the chains.
As much as everyone would rather do meaningful things with their time, communist societies need ditchdiggers too!
Construction and manufacturing takes all types, no experience needed, but I found factory work to be a great motivator to get into IT. Grass is always greener, I suppose
I think the big issue is lack of variance in your work. Human brains need different stimuli. S o if you do only one type of work all the time, you want something different after a while and yearn for another extreme.
Problem is: that runs counter to taylorism.
communist societies need ditchdiggers too!
I gladly dig ditches, if it’s not the only thing I do.
Yeah some people think that in a communist society that they will suddenly do other jobs like working in an animal shelter. Nope if you work in IT now you’d still be in IT under communism. The commune still needs to keep their IT infrastructure running and the people with IT skills get assigned to do that.
I honestly just wish the capitalist number min-maxing to keep shareholders happy would finally stop. In the last 8 years the time I spent doing “accounting work” has increased from 10% of my total to almost 50%.
Yeah, some people will need retraining, especially the managerial class. But for the most part, if my country had a peaceful and sudden communist revolution tomorrow, I’d be clocking in on Thursday with the same engineering job and asking what’s changing now that we’re under new management.
That’s the problem with all politics. People don’t like the status quo and so vote for “not this” without considering the ill effects of what they’re voting for, or historical precedent. It’s how we ended up with Trump twice, it’s how we ended up with Brexit, and it’s not going away any time soon.
This is why I think any shift to the left will still go poorly. The ignorance is still there. The misinformation is still there. It will be used for negative ends by bad-faith actors like everything else.
Everything goes poorly, always. Not shifting for the left means horrible things done poorly. Shifting to the left means at least good things done poorly, that’s not a meaningless difference.
Just be realistic with the goals of your movement and you won’t disappoint anyone - see Mamdani.
Gotta work to live so I can then donate time to other things. If there was a way to live sustainably off improving the local area that would be fantastic. But there just isn’t in any real sense.
Right now, I’d pick physical labour over IT. I’m sick of being attached to a desk 12h a day looking at a screen and making some predatorial company richer.
I’d rather be cleaning up my neighborhood, planting flowers in the park, or working at an animal shelter or the local soup kitchen. Actually making a fucking difference in society.
fellow IT worker here …
The sickle and hammer are not representative of planting some flowers in a garden.
If you’ve never done any real farming, I recommend you try it even for a day to learn a whole new appreciation for our modern way of life. It is brutal backbreaking work … and so were most industrial jobs from the era of soviet communism.
Thank god for modernization, but I also agree on the despair of being a slave for an ultra rich asshole. I’m dealing with it by starting a corp with a couple of buddies that is owned by us and doing some work on the side … hopefully this can eventually free us from the chains.
Those jobs still exist, you just outsource them to Pakistan and India.
It’s supposed to represent labor in general, whatever the means of which you provide it. People are needed in all roles in a communal society.
As much as everyone would rather do meaningful things with their time, communist societies need ditchdiggers too!
Construction and manufacturing takes all types, no experience needed, but I found factory work to be a great motivator to get into IT. Grass is always greener, I suppose
I think the big issue is lack of variance in your work. Human brains need different stimuli. S o if you do only one type of work all the time, you want something different after a while and yearn for another extreme.
Problem is: that runs counter to taylorism.
I gladly dig ditches, if it’s not the only thing I do.
Each 5 years you can change job so. That would be a great idea for domes.
I wouldn’t have an issue with my field if it wasn’t grossly dominated by companies in the banking and commerce sector.
Former ditch digger turned office worker. I miss the ditch digging sometimes. My body never does.
Yeah some people think that in a communist society that they will suddenly do other jobs like working in an animal shelter. Nope if you work in IT now you’d still be in IT under communism. The commune still needs to keep their IT infrastructure running and the people with IT skills get assigned to do that.
I honestly just wish the capitalist number min-maxing to keep shareholders happy would finally stop. In the last 8 years the time I spent doing “accounting work” has increased from 10% of my total to almost 50%.
Yeah, some people will need retraining, especially the managerial class. But for the most part, if my country had a peaceful and sudden communist revolution tomorrow, I’d be clocking in on Thursday with the same engineering job and asking what’s changing now that we’re under new management.
That’s the problem with all politics. People don’t like the status quo and so vote for “not this” without considering the ill effects of what they’re voting for, or historical precedent. It’s how we ended up with Trump twice, it’s how we ended up with Brexit, and it’s not going away any time soon.
This is why I think any shift to the left will still go poorly. The ignorance is still there. The misinformation is still there. It will be used for negative ends by bad-faith actors like everything else.
Everything goes poorly, always. Not shifting for the left means horrible things done poorly. Shifting to the left means at least good things done poorly, that’s not a meaningless difference.
Just be realistic with the goals of your movement and you won’t disappoint anyone - see Mamdani.
I agree.
Physical labor as in laboring. There are plenty of jobs go ahead wreck your body if you want. Nobody is forcing you to work in IT
What’s stopping you? Plenty of places are looking for volunteers.
I volunteer and work. One of them pays and the other doesn’t.
“what’s stopping you from quitting your work that you need to survive?”
You can work and volunteer
Volunteering doesn’t put food on the table sadly.
Gotta work to live so I can then donate time to other things. If there was a way to live sustainably off improving the local area that would be fantastic. But there just isn’t in any real sense.
This 👆
You can just do it.