Frances switchted to Linux on 2.5 million PCs

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    Boy I sure do remember a lot of people in the last ten years tell me its completely impossible to run any kind of modern enterprise set up without Windows.

    Wow!

    They were all fucking wrong!

    Who could have guessed!

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    That article is trash. Ministries have only been asked to come up with a plan of what’s possible to do to switch but I highly doubt most will switch. The education ministry recently renewed it’s Microsoft contract and I don’t think there is anything enforcing a switch, it’s only a “please look at what could be possible” thing. The only thing switching for sure is the DINUM, about 250 people, a lot of them already using Linux. But this is the start of an experiment where they are building some NixOS configurations that could be used if a larger switch was to happen. Believe it or not, they NixOS configs are names Sécurix and Bureautix.

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      The source article from ZDNet they got the information from has been updated to correct the mistake.

      Correction on April 16, 2026: An earlier version of this article stated that France was planning to replace 2.5 million Windows desktops with Linux. In fact, the Interministerial Directorate for Digital Affairs is initially migrating only its own internal workstations (about 350) and will coordinate a broader effort. Individual ministries have been instructed to develop their own migration plans by fall 2026. The article has been updated to reflect this clarification.

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      It’s overselling it, but the move towards digital sovereignty isn’t a passing fad.

      The various revelations over the years about the US spying on allies and Microsoft famously telling the EU(?) that they could not guarantee that their data would not be turned over to the US government has all but ensured that this is going to happen as a matter of national security.

      They can’t have their government dependent on systems that could be disabled at any time for political reasons, like the sanctions applied to the ICC judge on the genocide case against Israel.

      It was one thing when the US was an ally, but now we are not a dependable ally and these countries are reorganizing their security posture in recognition of that fact.

      Linux is the only viable operating system that is not vulnerable to US government sponsored supply chain attacks. While it may not be deployed everywhere immediately, the directive to agencies to start planning for the transition is the first step in the process and critical services will transition much sooner.

      This will happen regardless of what happens in the election, Trump has exposed the weaknesses in our system of government and the attitude of US elites towards other countries. No sane country would trust US tech given the direction of things.

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        Linux is the only viable operating system that is not vulnerable to US government sponsored supply chain attacks

        Well I certainly don’t agree with that, and in many cases (at least with specific Linux distros) I would even argue it IS vulnerable already. Maybe we have different definitions of “viable” or something. The Linux kernel itself has also been forced to make political decisions at the demand of the United States, such as removing support for Russian CPUs (but somehow Chinese ones are A-OK).

      • ivn@tarte.nuage-libre.fr
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        I hope you’re right but I can assure you our government is very good at making grand announces not followed by anything, or even by the opposite. Also our far right, which might very well win the next election, is very much pro-Trump.

        Our education ministry keeps signing huge Microsoft contracts, our health data is stored by Microsoft, our intelligence agency use Palantir, our government is mostly on X… I’m forgetting a lot of other things. They are also pushing hard for regulations against privacy, weakening encryption, chat-control…

        There are some small nice things here and there like our Gendarmerie using Ubuntu, the DINUM making a lot of open-source tools… But it’s really a drop in the water.

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          Our elites and politicians share a similar playbook when it comes to doing exactly what they want while pretending to struggle to do anything else.

          Technology is important for making the government run more efficiently and the US tech sector has historically provided the tools for making that process more efficient. It was easier to use the tools available from a close ally than it was to devote the resources towards building up a domestic technology sector.

          We’re in a different world now, both politically and technologically. The US government has been using this dependency to gain advantage in other areas by spying on our allies. The trend towards right-wing nationalism also creates a real danger that this could escalate into even more coercive tactics.

          Now, the cost of cultivating a domestic tech sector is now much lower than the cost of having all of your government functions held ransom by a foreign power. Especially when everyone can see how rapidly the US’s posture towards allies has changed.

          That being said, it takes time to build a tech industry and swap to domestic production. The US’s tech sector growth was subsidized by the entire world and built over decades. It will take time to replicate that in the EU (and even longer if there isn’t a unified initiative).

          Until then, your governments cannot help but be dependent on Microsoft and other US technology companies who are using emerging technology to enable new capabilities (i.e. Palantir).

          As one commoner to another, I hope your country is shocked by the turmoil that we’re going through and can build something better.

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        You seem to assume our president and its government act with intelligence and in the interest of our country. You could not be any further from the truth.

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          I certainly don’t assume that.

          I expect your elites to operate with the same selfish motivations as ours. That includes wanting to exploit the situation in order to utilize public funds to grow a private tech sector where they stand to profit immensely.

          They will also want to protect themselves personally from continuing to be predated on by their elite counterparts in the US who utilize this technological dependency for spying and coercive tactics.

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      Using NixOS as an imaging tool by distributing a config is pretty neat and I would love to see it happen. I’m surprised they were competent enough to see that route; I wonder who’s behind this initiative?

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      What is saved, gets spent into operational costs now. Many cities tried the switch, had higher expenses and lower productivity, and switched back to Windows. Let’s hope France hired the right professionals for this migration

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      I just checked Microsoft’s website. They’re trying to make windows enterprise a subscription model. The current cost for what they’re calling “windows 365” is $99/yr per user. They’re saving nearly $250 million a year, or €211 Million

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        That might be the MSRP, but it’s not what they were paying.

        They’re going to have at minimum three different types of “discounts” applied to their price:

        • Volume discount
        • Government discount
        • Tenure discount

        If I had to guess, it would knock anywhere from 30% to 60% off MSRP.

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        And if they put something like 10% of those savings back into developing more open source tech it would be a huge boost to the global community.

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        Probably also saving 100 to 200 million euros more in servicing fees. Licenses are but one component of cost models these days for companies. Sure, they will still have to find a vendor to service their Linux systems, but there should be a lot more cost flexibility in that space.

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        The current cost for what they’re calling “windows 365” is $99/yr per user.

        Windows 365 Enterprise basic starts $31 per user per month and goes up from there.

        I suspect you are confusing Windows 365 with Microsoft 365. The former includes a virtual (Cloud) PC and licensing for Windows and Office, the latter only provides Office licensing. Additionally the price point you quoted makes me think you are looking at Personal / Home pricing because Commercial & Government Office 365 pricing is calculated per user / per month and will vary wildly in price from $10 pu/pm to $50+ pu/pm.

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          I hate MS product names I hate MS product names I hate MS product names

          I’m surprised one of those hasn’t been rebranded to copilot 365 yet

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        Windows 365 is the “cloud PC” that Microsoft is hosting as a VM in Azure. So you have a thin client that only connects to the VM over the internet. It’s very niche and pretty expensive. Regular windows licenses, especially with their volume of licensing will be a lot less. But they still save millions on licenses, especially for the M365 office licenses that they now no longer need.

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          I’m seems pretty reasonable for a cloud PC.

          I just ran the costs through the Azure calculator, and a D2asV6 system with a 100GB drive and licenseing running 16hrs a day, 30 days a month would cost approximately 1200 dollars annually, so 99 bucks a year seems like a steal.

          And a D2asV6 is not a lot of compute power. 2 cores, 8Gb ram.

          In summary, Azure is fucking expensive if you are keeping VMs online all the time.

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          License costs for Windows alone for one single Bundesland in Germany are 15 Mio EUR a year, I read, and that doesn’t include other costs. France is probably paying Microsoft in the hundreds of millions currently. You can do a lot on your own with that kind of money, especially when using everything open source has to offer, as basis.

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      I’ve always wondered if the money saved from licenses would cover the cost of new full time employees to pick up support, it probably depends on the org size.

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          I read it as “pick up support for the FOSS projects” as opposed to user IT support.
          So, contributing to the FOSS.
          Even sponsorship would be awesome, in a “we can’t do the tech stuff, but here is 10% of what we saved” kinda way

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      Not only that, but also on not upgrading/replacing computers that don’t meet the requirements. Windows 11 runs perfectly fine on higher-end mobile Kaby Lake, but without unsupported workarounds one cannot install it…never mind that you can virtualize Windows 11 on Skylake and older without any issues.

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      The most important benefit is that a fascist dictatorship can’t brick all your governments computers because an incontinent pedophile got his feefees hurt.

      If you think that’s far fetched, you have no idea how mentally-ill and psychopathic fascists are.

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    Would be lovely if my Government would even consider that.
    I hate using Win11, but it seems we’re so entrenched with Microslop that they’re even giving “officially endorsed” courses on how to use Co-Pilot.

    I understand that AI and Neural Networks have their uses, but why are people so willing to give up their ability to think and write for themselves??

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      Time is the main reason. In jobs where you write dozens of client-facing emails every day, small time savings compound fast.

      Most people working in Outlook all day are doing exactly this kind of work: responding to clients, coordinating projects, clarifying requests, following up, documenting decisions, and managing constant communication.

      Instead of writing every email from scratch, I can give AI instructions like:

      “Read the email chain. The client needs X, Y, and Z. Write a draft reply in my voice.”

      That takes seconds instead of several minutes per email. Across an entire workday, that can save hours.

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        Fair enough, but if you’re a manager isn’t that kind of the whole job? Communicating with people. If you’re not doing that, what are you getting paid to do?

        I can’t imagine out-sourcing the skill-set you’re being paid for to an AI tool is a great way to build up that skill. Sounds like humanity’s typical great short-term idea with horrible long-term consequences.

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      You could try running your windows-locked programs via Wine, Proton, or a VM-based solution for the worst offenders on a Linux distro (unless your employer requires you to run windows on bare metal, and I give you my condolences).

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    Curious how large organizations are dealing with the lack of tight group policy control that they’re used to on Windows, and users having far more options for circumventing any given restriction.

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      You do know that it’s possible to set up tight group policy control on Linux right?

      Every major distro has some sort of user control built in, and Enterprise distros like Red Hat and SUSE are actually better than Windows.

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    Title makes it sound like a done deal but so far there’s a promise that there will be a plan in a few months.

    The shift to Linux is happening and every French government ministry is required to put its migration plan in place by the fall of 2026, including considering complementary software such as antivirus, collaborative tools, and so on.

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      The shift to Linux is happening

      Sounds like the shift to Linux is happening. I’m guessing by law. So, the first step is prep and planning, they aren’t going to back out of it, it just takes time to move an entire government over to a new OS.

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        Nah, the article is trash. There is no law, ministries have been asked to come up with a plan of what’s possible to do to switch but I highly doubt most will switch. The education ministry recently renewed it’s Microsoft contract and I don’t think there is anything enforcing a switch, it’s only a “please look at what could be possible” thing. The only thing switching for sure is the DINUM, about 250 people, a lot of them already using Linux. But this is the start of an experiment where they are building some NixOS configurations that could be used if a larger switch was to happen.

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      @misk What could maybe work: it should be made law, that 1% (or 10%) of all license cost paid by governmental organizations, must go into open source development, or services. The organization could freely choice, into what, and what it wants to get back.

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      @misk @not_IO Normally it silently fails on the wall of stupidity, and on the silent, cooperative undermining of the local microsoft activists in all departments. You can be sure, they do not want to learn “yet another system”, they want to retire as a windows sysadm. And they work as a workplace mafia.

      Sadly I can not see any good in this direction. Hope I see it badly!

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    Very cool! France is working towards achieving digital independent from US megacorps, and maybe this means more funding towards the development of open-source software!

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    why, great news!

    So I suspect they are also dropping their plans to require age verification on social media?

    After all, public code repositories which are essential for developing the software they’re switching to are… also a form of social media, correct? Surely they do not want to sabotage its development by requiring those repos to implement costly age verification? Right?

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      I can tell you one thing: French authorities don’t give a flying fuck about any right to privacy for commoners.