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This is the most hypocritical post in the history of the Internet.
The lack of awareness from Linux nerds who think this is perfectly on-brand, I’m dying XD
Nah, as a Windows user on the topic of Linux here in the fediverse I’ll be totally honest: I mostly just feel like I’m looking at and a bit wishing I was smart and savvy and motivated enough to be one of the cool kids, but after my last disastrous attempt at switching (because apparently my video card just isn’t supported I guess? whatever, I’m not looking for tech support here) I’m just happy enough to be at the cool punk party instead of predatory frat party (reddit, twitter, take your pick of corporate shithole) where I’m likely to get roofied.
I was prepared to go through hell when I switched recently, since Windows was making me so mad. Everyone told me my graphics card wouldn’t work, gaming would be hard, etc. Then Mint just worked. 🤷
I did have to troubleshoot why my speakers were muted on startup, but it was worth it. Oh, and volume up defaults to 5% instead of the standard 2%, that took some fixing. Games just work, though.
Mint gets tossed around because it’s pretty forgiving. It just shits me i have to rewrite udev for usb key removal. Its the 21st fucking century, no one “dismounts” usb any more
Kubuntu is another one that just works. Hubs hasn’t has problems and he’s definitely not hardware wired
+1 for Kubuntu just working. I put my grandpa on it and I actually had someone I support for IT install it on their personal computer because they were getting sick and tired of windows.
There is some fuckery I’m not a fan of, but the user will probably just be oblivious+happy it just works.
When I muster up the courage again, Mint is probably the distro I’ll try. I’d tried Pop!_OS because I’d read that it’s very superficially Windows-like as an easing in method, but I think the larger install base of Mint (and thus docs, support, etc) makes it the more appealing choice next go round, if ever that day comes.
I got thrown in the deep end professionally with slackware years ago and i personally think pop is satans taint, so don’t feel bad.
Been playing with mint on media server builds, works pretty well (apart from aforementioned usb caching), just adjusting to the flatpak sandboxing. Also works well with retroarch and my 8bitdos but i haven’t fired up the n64 emu yet.
Daily driver is kubuntu, the biggest issue with both is if you have a mixed os system - the ol “won’t network browse or auth as guest on a win machine share” unless you use cifs.
This feels like a very friendly and supporting comment, so I appreciate it, but I’m not gonna lie, about half of what you said may as well be Korean to me it’s so unfamiliar.
All G :)
Flatpaks is a software control architecture. So instead of having files and executables able to talk to each other across the OS all willy nilly they’re kept in little pens. This means the file locations change from what you automatically go to look for
8bitdos are retro feel wireless controllers, retroarch is an emulation software package for playing old console games on a pc. I haven’t tested how the nintendo 64 emulator (notoriously hardcore) runs on mint yet.
Daily driver is my default go to pc to use. I run kubuntu on that. If you have windows-based servers or pcs that you’re gonna mix with linux, kubuntu and mint have issues browsing to windows file shares with their default network browsers. You need to use what’s called “cifs” instead, plenty of documentation if you need to poke about.
Don’t despair, Vespair,
I like your vibe btw;
Being on the penguin side,
having a sharper mind,
does not garantee.
Let me assure thee,
for plenty of us,
are plenty dumb.
I genuinely have never seen this take. Sometimes someone shares something like “I tried it out and it wasn’t quite for me”, and that’s about as vitriolic as it get. And even that’s rare.
I see you have not been graced by madthumbs and the linuxsucks community. It’s so hilariously stupid I’ve got it blocked so I can’t link, but that should be enough to find it if you like.
Yeah, it’s Windows users going out and proudly exclaiming their love. Definitely never heard a Linux user bitch about another OS.👌👍
This has to be intentionally dense shit to trigger ACHKTUALLY type engagement right?
Windows users don’t think about or even realize that other operating systems exist
Or they value an os that works out of the box with the vast majority of hardware. Even valve and steamos is on proprietary hardware has a ton of issues. Windows is God awful but I didn’t have to run a script on every boot up to set my HDMI device as a default. Or have to reboot my device every time I turn off my TV because HDMI can’t connect. And none of my controllers, 8bitdo, ps5ds, xbox360, work wirelessly without latency issues 🤷♂️.
The stubbornness of the community to acknowledge this continues to hamper improving the situation.
I give money and use bazzite+ my steam deck to support foss, but I’m not blind to the numerous issues that need to be fixed before Linux is less ignored.
Amen.
For every last ball ache I have about Win 10 and 11 is “well thats annoying” but they just fucking work.
Well fuck me they are real
Most people are also just not going to bother changing their OS lol. Most steam deck users are using Linux and most PC users are using windows.
I think it’s like why people don’t change the engine in their car, sure you could could get a better one but most people are happy with their engine and don’t want to mess with it
Wait you can get new engines? Sorry I’m being sincere & my car’s engine is dying - is this actually a thing you can do or is it just a convenient metaphor for OSs?
How much do you want to spend? You could find a junkyard pull that may or may not be better then what you have or a rebuilt engine what should run like factory, but wont address things like a rusted frame.
If you want a different engine, you’re going to have to deal with whatever quirks that come with that and you may not have anyone to ask for help if something happens.
I think their point is, yes, of course you can use another engine, because, at its core, an engine spins a drive train. That’s all it does. However, to replace one engine with another, you may need to change every hose, mount, sensor, and customize the computer, because what it shipped with assumes you’re using… What it shipped with.
no I got the metaphor - I meant specifically, are replacement car engines a commonplace thing? Not being shitty that’d just be really convenient and I know next to nothing about cars.
Depends on the car, I don’t think it’s too hard to find one from a scrapyard
What the fuck have you been trying that you have to jump through so many hoops? Hanna-Montana Linux? I get that some distros don’t work with some hardware unless you get down and dirty with some tweaking, but in my case, I only had that issue once with an Alienware laptop and Linux mint, because of the NVIDIA card, but that was 11 years ago. Never again since. How does that compare to having to hunt down drivers to make everything work in windows unless you purchase a computer with windows pre-installed for it to work ‘out of the box’. If you reinstall, good luck with that.
And even if some distros don’t play nice with NVIDIA cards from first install, they will still give you a display to allow you to get it to work correctly, so there’s that.
Honestly, by all means, stay on windows. I’m happy on the penguin side of things, you’re happy on the… whatever that side of the spectrum happens to be right now.
You’ve never been to a LAN party when those where bigger. Completely unprompted, windows users will shit on mac and linux users.
You are barking up the wrong tree. mohaa, dota (the mod) big game hunters, ns, cs (again before the stand alone or steam).
You’re friends were correct back then. Linux was mostly worthless unless it was your job. Triple so for gaming.
I was playing UT2k4. Epic was linux friendly back then and I wasn’t interested in the other stuff.
Also, I didn’t say I was a linux user back then. I just said that mac and linux lived rent free in their heads. It was the same as the console war bs back then.
My only remaining real problems are:
- The community often pushing more “elitist” solutions over easier ones, see all the Vim fanboys.
- Coming from the aforementioned issue, your only viable debugger is either GDB with its obtuse TUI or some GUI hackjob on top of that.
I find that I just don’t really know what I’m doing half the time, and find it difficult to find help at a genuinely practical level. It’s either total beginner “This is called the terminal” or assumes you already know exactly what you’re doing. Like the installation instructions for something I was looking at was literally “usual cmake build” with absolutely zero elaboration what that means. The other thing I don’t like is when you look up how to do something and the answers are always “copy and paste this code” without explaining what any of it is or what it does.
Something else I’m still not at all sure about is where you’re supposed to install things. Like at least on Windows I know you just bang everything in “Program files”, but now there’s bin, etc, home, usr, and whatever else and don’t know where you’re supposed to actually put things.
This comic is about LGBTQI+
Linux/GNU BTQI+
C’mon, us linux users do the inverse all the time…
(Also applies to “Lemmy users” on the top and “Reddit users” on the bottom)
Literally any time Windows is mentioned
grrr
no we don’t also windows is stupid you should install gentoo
windows 🤮
Every time Windows is mentioned it’s somebody complaining about some hostile thing that Linux doesn’t do…
So yeah.
windows 🤮
I promote linux, not complain about windows, every time someone has a an enshitification problem, which is incredibly common now.
You see shit, you clean it up, plain-as.
I was bitching about a shitty Windows thing to a happy Windows user just this afternoon.
Windows?? You just need to bring up Gnome
you just did 🤮
It’s not the same, when you are the minority/counter culture, you are allowed to advocate for yourself.
That’s okay because unlike Windows, Linux isn’t guilty of market capture, adware, spyware, bloat, and any number of other things that are wrong with windows.
It happens when MS does something that annoys their userbase. Then Linux nerds jump in and tell how much Linux is better.
Exactly, never complain. We lead the way to a better future.
That’s not true. Linux users do this waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than Microslop users. Microslop has billions of users, but fewer than 20 fanboys, worldwide.
Fewer than 19*
I’ve converted to Linux since.
The thing is - most windows user don’t even know Linux exists…
Linux users 👇
Windows user 👆Most Windows users don’t know Windows exist.
i’ve run across some people around here who i would never have guessed knew about linux… and not only did they know–they ran it. and yea, more than one was ‘i use arch btw’.
Used and supported Windows for over 30 years at this point. I’ve NEVER been a fan, and started looking into Linux back in '99. It wasn’t ready back then, but two decades later and it seems like Linux does everything except anti-cheat, which I have no use for, better than Windows ever did.
… I worked for Microsoft.
… during the time they rolled out Win8, by dogfooding it through every employee and contractor.
I don’t know anyone that hates Microsoft and Windows more than I do.
I used to be sysadmin for a uni with a citrix farm. I may have a good shot at taking that crown.
I’m admin for a Citrix farm right now.
I feel you.The fun starts when it decides to kick off the AV for every single user at once
'98 was a marginal improvement over '95 at least.
Windows 7 with all the SPs was peak Windows
Agreed, peaked at 7.
And its been literally all downhill from there.
I actually could not believe what was happening, when they rolled out 8 on us.
“We’ve removed… the windows… from Windows.”
Saying that outloud made my boss very angry.
We spent a month pleading to let us go back to 7, to use some kind of standard, non tablet UI.
For a month they told is that didn’t exist in 8, the UI was all totally new and redesigned from the ground up, and no we can’t go back to 7.
But, they were lying, of course. There was a sequence you could do to override the new UI that had indeed been slapdashed over 7’s UI, to go back to 7’s UI.
(Where 7’s UI is modified XP UI, which is modified 98 UI… etc)
We figured it out, they’d patch it to not work, some other email chain would figure out some other override, they’d patch that out.
After about a month of that they actually admitted that the 7 UI was indeed still there and was not just some kind of emergency fall back mode.
Some months later, 8.1 is basically just them making the 7 UI mode fully work.
Again, I literally could not believe how stupid this all was, to the point of sometimes literally dissociating.
Or maybe Windows 8 was my personal Vietnam, or something, lol.
How dare you come at me with self awareness!!
If I didn’t have to use windows for work…
We don’t really do the same thing, because Microsoft is forced upon us every step of the way.
Yes. Because we want native support from apps. Windows has the market share to not care. Linux is getting there but is nowhere near to even macOS.
I have never gone to look for a windows community, is there one?
On the fediverse?!
Good luck with that.
Every post would be negative
Good
Not anymore. It was embraced, extended and extinguished.
My theory is you are a Windows user wearing a mask.
I don’t use Arch, by the way.
What the fuck does the threadiverse even want for itself? Do you see yourself as an enshittification-resistant replacement for Reddit, or a communist Linux forum? This comic only makes sense if it’s the latter.
Could that be a bit of a hasty reduction to make based on one post in a shitpost comm?
You do realize you can just walk to another stall, right?
Not when all the stalls are just different flavors of Linux!
Sir, this is a shitpost community.
The threadiverse is not a Linux stall.
My favorite thing is going onto the community for a game that explicitly supports linux with a problem just to have a bunch of replies to install windows from random chuds.
Quite literally the opposite of reality. Good shitpost.
At this point, it’s just insecurity about stuff not working right on Windows now.
To that point:
At the moment, on my dual boot desktop, hardware acceleration and video playback are busted in Chromium browsers on Windows. But it works perfectly fine in Wayland linux. And I don’t really know why.
This is fascinating to me, as the situation was reversed about a year ago.
And if I were Windows only, without years of experience under the belt to make Linux seem less daunting, I’d be feeling anxious about that.
Not that I’m a Linux fanboy: Windows is just better for some specific things. But still, I’m not going to either OS booth to complain.
Fastest save of my life. Applies to so many things too. I never understood the appeal of showing up just to say negative things. I’m guessing it’s some need to drag people down to your sad level or something but it’s not something I can understand.
You ever see one of those videos of a guy sitting alone in his truck, filming himself talking about something that’s bothering him even though nobody asked (or cares)? Same thing. They feel like nobody is listening to them and it just burns them up inside, and it fuels their bottomless sense of resentment.
Huh… I never thought of it that way. And I can see how they’re similar but I feel they’re different still mostly because these are usually trolls or just idiots that come to complain, whereas those people usually post on fb/utube/etc. where they’re easier to ignore. Feels less targeted.
I mean everybody’s different, but a lot of those people (whether here or on fb, etc.) highly motivated by feeling un-listened to, and deep down they all share that motivation. Older folk tend to be the “in-my-truck” vloggers, and younger people tend to just be little shits wherever distance or anonymity gives them a sense of security.
But even people who don’t lash out can harbor a huge sense of resentment when they don’t believe anyone is listening to them. Take the last US pres election. It might not have been enough to make a difference, but plenty of people were voting (or staying home) because they wanted to punish whomever it was that they felt ignored by.
Survivorship bias, those that move along don’t really get remembered
