• mechoman444@lemmy.world
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    This is a good example of using technically true facts to imply something that isn’t actually representative.

    Yes, some chicken is sold with an added salt-water solution. That’s not a secret it’s disclosed right on the label. But presenting the maximum legal numbers as if they apply to all supermarket chicken is misleading.

    “Up to 30%” is the ceiling, not the average. Likewise, “up to 500 mg of sodium” describes heavily enhanced products, not ordinary chicken. Plenty of chicken is sold with no added solution at all, and consumers can choose whichever they prefer simply by reading the packaging.

    This post also frames the added solution as though it’s some kind of deceptive adulteration. In reality, it’s added to improve moisture retention and consistency during cooking, and it’s regulated and clearly labeled.

    So the takeaway isn’t “supermarkets are secretly selling watered-down chicken.” The takeaway is much less dramatic: read the label. If you want unenhanced chicken, buy unenhanced chicken. If you don’t mind the added solution, buy the enhanced product. Manufacturing practices are not evidence of a conspiracy just because someone cherry-picked the largest numbers they could find.

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      The title already says “up to” for both the 30% and the sodium content. If the reader understands anything else, that’s a reading comprehension issue.

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        Don’t be a contrarian for the sake of argument. If your reading comprehension is so good you’d know the title is intentionally sensationalized intentionally using large numbers to make it look and sound like they’re always at the upper limits.

        God. I bet you’re insufferable irl aren’t you?

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          The literal wording of the title is “up to”. You’re criticizing it for cherry picking when it’s… not.

          If there’s a contrarian here, it’s certainly not me.

          Nice personal attack though!

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            Ya. Having “up to” in the title isn’t some magical phrase that excuses the sensational title. And simply claiming that it does isn’t sufficient.

            YSK: Not all raw chicken is the same some is enhanced with a saltwater solution

            This is an example of a neutral title that doesn’t sensationalize and enhance clicks.

            And you started the personal attacks with reading comprehension shtick. So don’t get offended all of the sudden.

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    Eat less meat and buy Quality.If still undecided, a temporary job in a meatpack factory will be helpful.

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    this is some fearmongering. unless your diet is nothing but packaged foods, your sodium level is always gonna be under the RDA, and sodium is necessary for your body to function. going low-sodium is more dangerous than going over the RDA for the average person.

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      The RDA is a maximum, not the minimum needed. You will be perfectly healthy on 200-500mg a day. Eat whole grains, meat (or dairy), fruit, and vegetables and you’ll get more than enough

      Only if you’re vegan will you likely have to give it some thought, and then it’ll be enough to eat processed meat substitutes or just add a pinch of salt when you’re cooking

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    This is done to avoid botulin toxin from being formed. It’s a much, much bigger issue than the sodium intake

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      Thats nitrate salts used in sausages, salami and such. The NaCl used in fresh meats is mostly to add weight and supposedly make it more “juicy”.

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        NaCl does inhibit botulin bacteria too. Nitrate salts have the neat property of changing the color more into deep red territory, which some people tend to prefer.

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      Yes, the consumption of rotting flesh is a huge problem. Literally destroying your health and the planet at the same time. Not to mention the torture and murder of animals.

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        Yes, the consumption of rotting flesh is a huge problem

        The problem is that botulin toxin is stronger than lead to the power of mercury. The amount big enough to kill you is counted in nanograms. That amount is small enough to appear in meat way before it gives off any symptoms of spoiling

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    Here in Denmark how much water is in the chicken is written on the label of the packaging. It is also required to list what ingredients are used to treat the chicken if anything besides water is used.

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        Sure but you can read European history and find out why. People had to rise up to get this, along with vacations.

        You can’t vote away evil since the ones who run things are not elected.

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            That was for other reasons though, like princes egos and the status quo, before that we had the plague too so I don’t think it’s relevant to the discussion…

            People rising up has been a theme for some time though, and that’s what it takes.

            Eh, usa!

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      It is the same here in the states. And it is in fact the case because I’d be the labels on the chickens that I purchase.

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    Ehh, a restaurant would salt it past there anyway. Culinarily, you’d be well within reason to brine fresh chicken.

    Price per pound is pretty bullshit thought, making it cost at the price if meat is BS

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    Here is a short that tells of what’s going here. This short is also a reaction, from an independent farmer who farms chickens. I think the creator here, FarmingWhileBeige, offers a lot of good insight into what is bad and not bad in our current farming practices as a level headed not batshit crazy maga person.

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        I don’t disagree that you removed the short designation from the link, but what’s the difference between the two? It’s the same video with the same aspect ratio and the same obnoxious subtitles one word at a time. My sound is turned off so if there was a difference there it went unnoticed

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          FWIW, his subtitles are often edited with substitutions, so if you don’t listen to the audio you’ll occasionally miss out on a punchline or other descriptives. It’s not necessary for his messages that people have to read and listen at the same time, but it’s kind of like Easter eggs lol .

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          Speaking for myself here:

          • Shorts loop automatically, something I find annoying
          • Shorts have loads of UI over the video by default; while there is a “clear screen” button in the context menu, it doesn’t persist, and is extra interaction that a normal video doesn’t require
          • It’s easier to scrub through a normal video on mobile; while there is a progress bar at the bottom of a short, you can’t drag up on that bar to get fine-grained seeking

          This is my “old man tells at cloud” moment and I’m okay with that.

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            Oh ok, I appreciate the answer! I didn’t think of those points because I have seen hardly any because I avoid it like the plague. Do you know if removing the designation works for all shorts?

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              I’m pretty sure it does. I remember thinking “of course they would implement it like that” when I first encountered a short as a regular video.

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      I got 4 words into your post and immediately went “its FarmingWhileBeige, isnt it” and yeah, you name drop him a short while later.

      He’s awesome.

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      FarmingWhileBeige is highly recommended. He does a lot of good educational (and sassy) videos about different aspects of the farming industry, and has a good catalogue of funny shorts of reacting to stupid TikTokkers in-between. He has the experience and knowledge, and he’d be the first to tell you to stay the fuck away from the industry unless you’re ready to deal with a lot of bullshit.

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      Along with this, it’s probably wise to put the sodium numbers into context - the salt used to season your chicken is probably not going to be what’s going to put you over the top when it comes to salt intake. Highly processed foods, sauces and bread is more likely going to be the thing that gets you.

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    Look for “air-chilled chicken” to find chicken that doesn’t have this.

    Also some organic brands don’t do this because of the laws around chemical use making chlorine not possible. Brands vary, though.

    Farmers markets are another route.

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      Huh, what does halal have to do with this? Halal-slaughtered chickens are allowed to be plumped as well.

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        I was told they’re not allowed to do that, and based on my experience, it’s been true so far. Maybe it’s just my specific grocer is good?

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          Plumping is just injecting saltwater into the meat after it has already been killed. And that’s fine, as neither salt nor water are forbidden in Islam. The only thing that could matter is that it’s clearly labeled on the packaging how much percentage the meat is vs how much saltwater was added, as you’re not supposed to be deceptive.

          But considering some countries generally lax product labeling laws, I assume you could still get a greyzone, where it could be labeled as “halal-slaughtered chickens” - but the actual product wouldn’t pass a stricter control due to undisclosed brine.

          So it’s also likely you have a good grocer, but just know that you can’t automatically trust some halal-stamp if you want to avoid plumping.

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            Oh, thanks for that explanation. I’ve only been going to same halal grocer since shrinkflation started so that would make sense.

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      Butchers are so rare around me and far more expensive. I would love to be able to afford it as it’s a much more delightful experience and the meat is always so much better.

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        There’s a butcher shop near my work that also has a fantastic café attached. The meat is all absolutely exquisite looking, but you’re god damned right that its insanely expensive like at least double or triple the price of meat at your typical store. We pretty much only ever buy their in-house pepperoni sticks and even those are around $16 a pound.

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    This is why I don’t buy chicken from costco. Thankfully theres a good provider (Sunrise Farms) from Richmond on the Lower Mainland that makes a frozen skinless, boneless breat that’s cheaper than Costco, cooks to nearly the same size it started as the water content is low, and is semi-local to Vancouver Island.

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      Every single ingredient panel I’ve seen (per 100g) reports sodium in mg… so seems perfectly reasonable no?

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          You joke but honestly I would rather feel normal and live with an increased risk of heart disease than feel awful 24/7 for my whole like like I do on a low-sodium diet. At least I can exercise and reduce unhealthy fat intake to help my risk.

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            And the “lower sodium is more heart healthy” thing was, if I’m remembering a podcast I once listened to right, only consistently true for people that already had high blood pressure. Normal blood pressure people saw more mixed results with a low sodium diet.

            source: a recent episode of the podcast Maintenance Phase.