Preface
I’m not trying to call out the mod action of removing my post from the comm so much as I’m calling out the complete lack of mod action leading to the comm becoming shit and having the current top post by scaled, hot, and active being a post that explicitly targets another lemmy user.
That out of the way… !mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world has clearly been slipping from the purpose of the comm for a while now. Most of the posts are actually infuriating and/or political. I understand that what qualifies as either of those can be different for different people, but I feel most of this shit clearly isn’t mundane or simple enough to fall under the label of just mildly infuriating.
Here's some examples from the first page right now, sorted by scaled.
While I could have sworn the sidebar had a no politics rule, it doesn’t at the time of me writing this up, so politics are arguably acceptable, although I personally feel these all clearly don’t match the theme of the community, violating Rule 7.
Sidebar, and expanded rule 7
A few other posts have been made calling this out.
Mod harder and [META] What actually constitutes “mildly infuriating” content?
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Beyond all that mess, we have what was the final straw for me.
Rule 1 (and less so 5), and the current top post by scaled, hot, and active.
I cannot accept that a post to mildly infuriating that targets a specific user while not even removing their username is respectful, and I personally consider it harassment (while it may not violate rule 5 as there is no call to action). Removing the username is usually the bare minimum even in the fucking reddit brigading subs, for plausible deniability.
And regardless of whatever arguments can be had about interpretations of the community’s specific rules, it’s a dick move. Just block the guy. It reminds me of the god awful reddit dogpiling and brigading. I don’t want any of that to come to lemmy.
So I reported it, then saw the recent posts asking mods for action that got no response. I then looked at the mods.
- LillianVS@lemmy.world (Aer) has not been active in two years.
- STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world (Striker) has not been active in one year.
- Tenthrow@lemmy.world had not appeared to be active for six days at the time I reported the post, but upon checking the community mod log was likely active two days before (assuming that the other two wouldn’t be just lurking and modding for over a year).
So I did something dumb as hell. Roughly an hour after I reported it, I made my own post (now removed from the comm). I find people who make call out posts about others, and the absentee mods allowing it, mildly infuriating. Yeah, childish as shit. What’s done is done.
Modlog:
Removed for “doesn’t fit community”, but what do you folks think? Does it really not fit when the top post is what it is? Personally I think both should be gone, lest that comm descend further into shit.
Either way, now that I have this yell into the void out of me, I’m blocking the comm. Maybe I should have made my post in actually infuriating? (kidding)
I just spent my lunch break searching through the mod log after I saw that your post had been removed. It’s super irritating that, even though I’d commented in the original post, all I could see was it’s title and that it had been deleted. I couldn’t see how to see the username, or to sort the mod log by community, instead of by user or mod action.
Anyway, I’m pissed on your behalf. Sure, the tone could have been more conciliatory, but you were posting about something that was irritating, but fundemtnally not a big deal. So, more on topic than the politics posts. And I don’t think listing the mods and their activity is harressment, you weren’t saying much except you didn’t think the mod team was very active and had the receipts to prove it.
I see there’s another post today naming and shaming a user who posted in a women’s only community, “quoting” a female coworker. I agree the poster is mildlyinfuriating, but I still think we’d be better blurring out individual user names, otherwise you’re inviting harassment. (just like the thorn guy, who does irritate me, but is perfectly entitled to carry on doing so without people abusing him).
Oh god. Had to look for that since I don’t follow the com.
The guy fucked up but it’s a dick move not to block his user name. And mine. I guess I can look forward to a week of angry incel trolls.
So, one might say, the situation is mildly infuriating?
Yeah, yeah… i know where the door is…
Removed by mod
Agreed. Trump, Musk, Musk, Trump. None of that is mildly infuriating. And we have enough communities for geopolitics.
User call-outs are (usually) bullshit, especially for someone who brings me as much genuine delight as the Thorn Guy.
I agree your post didn’t fit the community, I get why you did it though, and think it’s pretty awesome of you to defend someone else on principle. The mods just aren’t trying.
You could start one on another instance. There aren’t any rules against it.
Personally I don’t see the top post as being ‘an attack on another user’ and the post is actually of something that’s mildly infuriating because reading posts where ‘th’ has been replaced with a symbol is mildly infuriating. I do agree that common etiquette would have been to remove the user’s name from the post, however it isn’t a requirement for something like this.
Also, yeah, your post was baiting the mods… shouldn’t be surprised by the result.
The way people seem to get whipped up into a frenzy over the thorn makes it inappropriate to include their username in the post. It’s an invitation for targeted harassment to make a post saying “isn’t what this one specific user does super-duper annoying? Please bitch about them with me in the comments.”
This isn’t Reddit. The comm is small enough that any regular knows who is the target of the post, whether or not the username is mentioned.
Then the solution is simply to not post it at all. It’s childish.
R/MILDLyinfuriating is the same, its super infuriating or downright depressing.
And þeir title isn’t even accurate! It’s not replacing t, it’s replacing “th” 🤦 smh by head
(That joke was probably made dozens of times in the op, we’re defederated from lw though so I wouldn’t know)
Sorry bud, Ive been in the thread off and on today and once I saw your post get removed I just mentally wrote off the sub altogether. It really sucks to see so many people have such a visceral reaction to something so harmless and for it to seemingly be encouraged behaviour. Not the kind of content I’d like to see here.
I kinda like Thorn guy. It makes me remember that the glyph was once part of the English language at some point.
People get really really weirdly rageful about thorn users. Ranging from “i instantly downvote that bastard” to going full right off their tits about it. And of course, as evidenced, making pissy callout posts.
I really do not understand the bugs up the arses. And i’m ASD with a particular bugbear about words in English. Makes me wonder how they react to ESL speakers
You know you can just block them right? And never ever see whatever is setting you off ever again. Have you considered trying that
Þe issue I see wiþ þ users is, a lot of þe time, þey use a þ when it clearly should have been an ð.
pe plub ip bup per plup of plep of pip plew.
That what your shit looks like.
Cool story bro.
Depends. If you’re talking old english then yes, Eth. But if you’re in Middle english, thorn was king. Icelandic I think it depends on the location of the sound in the word. I think it’s thorn at the front and eth everywhere else? Don’t quote me though.
I believe the eth is the soft ‘th’ like thought, where your tongue is behind/on your top teeth, while the thorn is the harder, tongue in front of your teeth sound in the.
The more important question, is it þot or ðot?
Depends if you’re a Germanic incel or an Irish one.
Anoþer shæke-up in þhe fuðark community!
lmao the gall to compare people who use thorns because they think it’s trendy or cute to people who are overwhelmingly those dealing with a disability.
What are you trying to say here?
Because I don’t see people complaining that thorn use - from a user they can just block btw - is messing up their accessibility software, or tripping their dyslexia. Instead I see a whole lot of "this pisses me off. " “think it’s trendy or cute” “It doesn’t stop AI you fuckwit”
Having a disability isn’t a free rein to be an arsehole. Especially if you’re not actually vocalising the problem to others.
so you went from comparing people using thorns to disabled folks, to saying disabled folks are assholes?
you’re white, aren’t you?
No i didn’t, and i think you need to sit down and re-read the comment in question before proceeding further.
and I think you need to stop being an ableist piece of shit.
You’re literally attacking someone who’s openly said they’re ASD for not meeting your social expectations. Projecting much?
I’m attacking someone whose last two bans have literally been for ableism, for being ableist. and what does them having ASD have to do with them being an asshole?
bye felicia
best way to deal with this sort of behaviour.
What the hell, dude
I cannot accept that a post to mildly infuriating that targets a specific user
Yet, you’re posting here … a community for targeting abusive mods …
And calling out someones bullshit isn’t “targeting” them.
YDI.
I absolutely deserved it.
But you’re leaving out some context and pretending that somehow is irony or lack of self awareness? I know what I did/am doing.
I don’t feel it’s respectful and rule 1 of that comm is “Be Respectful”. This post isn’t respectful and neither was mine that got removed.
I’d also argue that pointing to someone specific and saying “their actions give me a anuerysm” isn’t “calling out their bullshit” so much as a drive-by mini-rant.
There’s plenty of comments “calling out the bullshit” fairly well under that post about the thorn user: Depending on the time period of English, using thorn for “th” isn’t even accurate. It absolutely doesn’t achieve the intended effect of tripping up AI scrapers or poisoning their dataset. It’s a hindrance to smooth reading by other humans, and could cause issues with people relying on assistive technology. Those are all the ones I saw before I blocked the comm.
Beyond that, my own critique: It causes massive derailments of the conversation when people inevitably start commenting about the quirk instead of staying on topic.
Those are all “calling out someone’s bullshit” without inherently attacking the person. If the post had omitted the username I would have blocked the poster and moved on with my life. If it had also been more like the things I just listed, I would have just downvoted and hidden the post.
Simply putting a crosshair over the guy and going “this gives me an aneurysm” doesn’t actually do anything except say “this individual pisses me the hell off”, which is at the very least both not respectful and more extreme than “mildly infuriating”.
I absolutely believe that it’s targeting as well, but that’s a personal belief that isn’t anywhere as relevant to the coversation due to it not being as important to that comm’s rules. The argument stands without it.
if being called out bothers a thorn user so much, then they have the freedom to stop using thorns any time they want. this childish thought that everybody on fedi has to be nice to each other and sing Kum ba yah while holding hands is one of the worst things about fedi. if somebody is doing stupid shit, then fuck them, call them out for it. if they can’t handle it, they’ll change or leave fedi.
Exhibit A for the counterargument here folks.
every time you reply to me is just another second I’m on your mind.
YDI. you got pissy about a mod and went to bitch about it in their comm. should people feel sorry for you?
You’ve been incredibly aggro up and down the comments here. I’m sorry for whatever’s got you pissy.
Anyway… Where in my post did I ask for any sympathy?
As stated in the prefix, I’m not upset that my post was removed. That’s well deserved.
I’m frustrated that whole community has gone to shit, I’m not the only one feeling that way, and the issue largely seems to be due to a lack of active moderation team as evidenced by two of three having no activity for a year plus.
Did I not lay that out clearly, or are we going the bad faith route where you propose to know more about my own motivations than myself?
aww, precious, did you need me to be nicer to you?
I don’t really care what your motivations were for posting here. you come to YPTB to whine about something, people are going to make fun of you for it if they think you’re an idiot.
Far from it. I spent more time on 4chan and its even less known spinoffs than I suspect you’ve spent on your critical thinking skills or education. Fuck nice.
All I’m looking for is a little intelligence and basic reading comprehension instead of whatever embarassment of a clown show you’re throwing.
Once again you’ve failed to get a cheap shot in about something I’ve neither said nor implied.
If this is intentional trolling, then I guess well done? I’ve never been a fan of the “i was only pretending to be r[EDIT]ed” technique myself, but a reply is a reply I guess.
This post is more reciepts on the shit state of that sub for anyone who might want to ask lemmy.world admins for mod rights of it, or who might want to make an alternative. I have no interest in herding the troglodytic cats that make up people online. I’d have to deal with people like you more regularly.
Edit: Removed the slur.
Far from it. I spent more time on 4chan and its even less known spinoffs
retarded
makes sense. ableist shitstain using ableist language comes from 4chan. shocking.
Oh no, in literally quoting the name of an ancient 4chan meme I used a no-no word! This is some of the most pathetic crybullying I’ve seen in ages.
What was that you were saying in comments on this very post about the worst thing about fedi was how everyone is expected to be nice to each other? The claims that I had my feelings hurt? All the shitslinging you’ve been doing up and down the comments of this post?
And now you cry ableism about the literal name of a meme? This is absurd, and as I already said, I prefer my clown shows to be funny.
Whatever issues you have in that head of yours, it’s past the point where responding to you helps make things clear for anyone else, and I’m no longer having any fun with it. I just feel bad for you. I was serious in my earlier comment about hoping that you get through whatever has you so damn aggro in these comments, and I still hope that.
I’ll miss the rare post from tankiejerk, and I definitely will miss lotrmemes, but I won’t miss these poor excuses for comments, and I’m not sticking around to see if you manage to get your shit together. Blocking you and any comms you moderate. Guess you won pigeon chess.
Edit: bored while taking a shit, needed a break from PowerShell scripting and Youtube. was curious about a comment this far into a subthread on a day old post getting downvotes from more than the shmuck I pissed off
Using both your accounts to downvote my comment? Naughty naughty. And a good reminder to make sure I’ve got both of them blocked.
Double edit: Yeah, they did that for all my comments in this thread. I don’t care about the imaginary internet points, it’s a matter of basic ettiquette on sites with voting. Any and all sympathy I had for this shitstain is gone.
Well that explains where the single secondary upvote their comments have is coming from.
I don’t care about the imaginary internet points, it’s a matter of basic ettiquette on sites with voting. Any and all sympathy I had for this shitstain is gone.
interesting how right after his comment, somebody doxed me, posted a picture of my family and my address, as well as my name to one of my comms in a pathetic attempt to threaten my family. shoutout to the SJW admins for immediately banning the dude, although I was going to leave it up for longer so that everyone could see how wizardbeard handles conflict on the internet when his feeling are hurt.
that’s some real small dick energy tho, wizardbeard.
so because I downvoted you twice, does that make up for you threatening my family by posting a picture of them to my comm and doxxing me? that’s some small dick energy right there. what kind of weasel threatens little kids? you got some real issues to deal with if your first reaction to an internet fight is to start looking up who people are in real life in a vain attempt to intimidate them.
have another downvote, you piece of shit.
Excuse me what the fuck? I didn’t do any of that you absolute psycho. Go take your meds.
I’d been content to let you stew in your suckiness. This is beyond the pale now. I’m reporting you.
Edit: I had a full response typed up and hit cancel instead of preview. Fucking hell. It was beautiful. So here’s the cliff notes. Please pardon the shortness.
TL;DR- You’re full of shit. You saw an opportunity to try and use my admission of using 4chan as a stain against me, hoping it would make people just believe at face value that I would doxx you for some reason.
I think this is one of the first times I’ve even interacted with your dumb ass. There’s no reason for me to even imagine doxxing you.
You didn’t post any receipts (of the modlogs, I’m not telling you to post the supposed doxx before you start accusing me of more insanity), so I scoured things myself. Timelines don’t add up.
Seriously dumb/obsessive levels of analysis over an absolutely absurd claim against my character. You've been warned.
SJW modlogs, filtered by ban from site, have only one ban for doxxing in the past 3 days: barneyboy. Here are the full SJW modlogs against that user.
So let’s lay out a timeline:
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11/19 at 8:27PM, GMT -5: I’ve already stated or implied I’m east coast US on this, my only lemmy account besides one on lemmynsfw that I haven’t used since I made it. Go wild knowing my local time zone. All further times I state are in that zone. Anyway, you make your “YDI” comment and say I’m fishing for sympathy despite two statements to the contrary in my post.
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11/20 at 1:01AM: I respond, calling out your failure in reading comprehension.
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8:11AM: You made the “aww, precious” comment.
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11:04AM: First modlog for barneyboy. Removal of a post with a title that definitely sounds like some pathetic asshole doxxing someone.
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12:53PM: I respond to your weak bait. Why the fuck would someone who doxxed you continue the conversation like nothing happened, especially if it was caught and removed 2 hours earlier? Because I didn’t doxx you dipshit.
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12:57PM: You call me ableist for using the literal name of an ancient 4chan meme. Still no mention of the doxx that was removed two hours ago now.
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1:22PM: I reply, letting you and the crowd know I’m done and blocking you. Still carrying on like nothing happened, because you know, I didn’t doxx you. Blocked your anarchist.nexus account and the comms it moderates.
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1:28PM: You downvote my comment about blocking you using your primary account on anarchist.nexus. Cope, seethe, mald.
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1:34PM: Concern trolling comment
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2:50-ish PM: You switch over to your lemmy.dbzer0.com account and downvote all my comments on this post in one go. Here’s the lemvotes screenshot for the post where I said I’d block you, but lemvotes is available for anyone to check the other ones themselves. Still no mention of the doxx which was discovered/removed almost 4 hours ago. That’s a little weird on your part. I could see being worried so you wouldn’t engage at all, but going out of your way to vote manipulate and also not call it out? Weird weird weird.
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4:05-ish PM: Taking a break from endless PowerShell scripting, I browse lemmy on the shitter. Surprised to see more downvotes than just from pissing off you. Still pooping, toss my comment permalink in lemvotes. See you hit it with both your anarchist.nexus and lemmy.dbzer0.com accounts. Decide to pop a cheeky edit in calling it out. I’m not one to miss a good opportunity to highlight someone being a douche while trying to claim some sort of high ground. 5 hours past the doxx’s removal.
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4:11PM: Tossed my other comments from the thread with more than one downvote at lemvotes. You’ve double downvoted all of them. Clear vote manipulation, can’t even claim some weaksauce shit we see in this comm of “how am I supposed to remember”? Make another edit to my “I’m blocking you” post.
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4:13PM: Think through my frustration at your dumb ass and removed the r-slur from my post calling your shit weak. Not looking to use ableist language, but I sure as hell am too obstinate to remove it for your dumb ass when you’re clear as day only saying it to stir shit.
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4:30PM: Per the modlog, the post is restored and removed by SJW admins to try and force removal to federate.
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11:18PM: 12 fucking hours past the initial removal of your supposed doxx, you finally make a comment about it.
This is where it all breaks down spectacularly. Quotes from the last linked comment.
right after his comment
11:04AM doesn’t remotely line up with any of my comments.
It can’t be that it was posted up earlier and it took them time to remove it because…
shoutout to the SJW admins for immediately banning the dude, although I was going to leave it up for longer
So… they took it down pretty quick is what you’re saying? Maybe not, but then this next part makes no sense
I was going to leave it up for longer so that everyone could see
So then why didn’t you say anything about it until 12 fucking hours later, after numerous continued back and forth between us?
I’ll spell it out for the peanut gallery: Because he’s full of it. I’ve had the misfortune to know people like this before.
The absolute best explanation you could give for this is that they took it down before you saw it, they sent it to you afterwards to confirm, and your line about wanting to leave it up is just bravado.
But here’s the kicker: We still haven’t even confirmed if barneyboy matches what he’s claiming. I can’t figure out how to get to community specific modlogs to see where this post was removed from.
His quokk.au account and his anarchist.nexus account link to a keyoxide page that lists three different lemmy accounts. His comms can be found from there.
Also, I fully expect an attempt to hand wave away all the incongruous behavior by pulling out something like this response he got to one of his other aggro comments on this post.
Most of all, his reply to another comment in the thread here:
Screenshots of crypt and my little sub-thread, in case he tries to edit this shit away.
Why the fuck do I care so much about this?
To head off the kafkatrap of “you spent so much effort denying it so you must be guilty!” Got trauma from my parents on that wonderful chestnut and I won’t stand for it.
As far as the obsessive timeline…
I’ve talked some in previous comments on this account about my worst ex. I lost five years of my life to her. She always had some story about how the world or other people were out for her at no fault of her own. Always some way to twist herself into the poor victim. In retrospect, she saw herself as highly intelligent and the rest of the world as dumb rubes she could get to dance to whatever tune she wanted. Honest to god gaslit me. Not “lied to me”, gaslit me. I had a breakdown where I didn’t feel that I could believe my own memory, and a decade and a half later I still tend to accept others’ recollections over my own.
But in retrospect? Every single one of her stories crumbled under a medium amount of questioning. Basic shit like timelines, or “people don’t tend to work that way”. Situations where you could give her the biggest benefit of the doubt at every step of walking back through it, and it still wouldn’t add up.
People like that don’t get away with it because others are stupid, but because others aren’t obsessive. They have too much other shit to do than call out where things seem off.
My trauma from her, which I’ve been somehow avoided treatment for over a decade, makes it very hard for me to just let go and not start walking through it in my head.
It takes a hell of a lot less effort to tell a lie than to disprove it. I might be sad or pathetic for this sort of shit. Crypto may have “won” by taking so much of my time and awareness. But I’m right, and he’s an asshole. That matters to me, and that’s enough for me.
I didn’t doxx him, and his story makes no fucking sense.
Beyond all that, I’m beyond fucking done with this. I’ll leave it up to the admins. As I said, I already reported this. If I still feel strongly about it after Thanksgiving I might make this into its own post, but I doubt it. I’ll just be happy to see this shit gone.
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I mean, I don’t mind you being not nice, but using words like that casually might not ingratiate you with the neurodivergent community on db0. that’s a you problem, though.
