It’s genuinely somewhat surprising, but also very much pleasant to see the EU and friends uniting when the American Empire finally stops pretending and openly shows its true colours. I was betting we’d all just let the nazis do whatever they wanted. Love to have been wrong here.
Looks like maybe we can be strong when we want to. From the bottom of my heart I hope we can keep this up, stick together and show the billionaire pedophiles that their time is over.
Dismantle the empire and bring everyone responsible for its atrocities to justice. No exceptions, no gentle treatment.
They’re not fighting against the US. They’re preparing against China, which has a small foothold there. That’s why the US is panicking.
I know you’re joking but, you are joking, right?
As an American, I’ll join the war on the side of Greenland too
Its small enough numbers that its symbolic for defence, but attacking so many countries militaries will be an act of war against the EU and draw all of NATO and the EU into a war. Multiple countries in this are also nuclear powers. I really wish the USA would see sense, but its fallen to fascist rule and once again fascism is bringing enormous wars to the world and this one is going to be much deadlier than those previous. Lets hope the orangutan decides its not worth it like he has with Iran.
Lets hope the orangutan decides its not worth it like he has with Iran.
You sure about that?
https://www.independent.co.uk/bulletin/news/iran-trump-envoy-uss-abraham-lincoln-b2901671.html
It wouldn’t draw the NATO to war. It would be the end of NATO.
Then it’s a new alliance, without the US and Russia.
In my oppinion exactly the opposite. EU would fall devided and be in between USA and Russia, most countries would just decide for one side in order to be “protected”.
You think a NATO without the US could not exist at all?
Well, ‘NATO’ as defined today can’t exist if any NATO member attacked another one, just from how the organization is defined as it is, that wasn’t a possibility it was defined to be capable of handling.
A “just like NATO, but not specifically NATO” that excludes the US I could imagine forming soon enough for it to be essentially an equivalent thing.
But knowing politicians, they had better have drafts of what that specifically should be ready to go, because politicians might just take forever to settle details of what should be a straightforward arrangement. For example, reworking it so that removing a member is actually defined, and that accepting a new member does not require perfectly unanimous agreement.
I think it would just break down in THIS event: No country would want to stand against US for an icy island that isn’t their own. So one after the other would just let Greenland fall to the US, and that would practically mean the NATO is done - because there would be proof that the treaty doesn’t help in a real case.
Invading Greenland is overwhelmingly unpopular among Americans. Trump invading Greenland might even trigger a US civil war.
Interesting point. From my external view, a US civil war looks to be on the verge anyway
Of the things that would trigger a Civil War, I think Greenland is low on the list. Wildly unpopular but not the existential domestic threat that would trigger the people to go hot. ICE and domestic military deployment, particularly if he declares no elections, that has potential, but no foreign event is going to sway the domestic population that much, only domestic events have that strong an effect. That sort of thing can matter at the ballot box, but isn’t enough to make people go to the ammo box.
Maybe you get some European powers to conduct clandestine operations against key US leadership, maybe someone like Stephen Miller gets assassinated by a foreign power, I don’t know. More likely, they make moves that royally screw the US over economically. But I don’t think a civil war or direct military conflict with a foreign power is in the cards over Greenland.
Trump invading Greenland might even trigger a US civil war.
I wouldn’t hold my breath on that, tbh…
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If the US killed EU soldiers, it might go rather differently than you think.
No EU country will send troops against the US.
They just did. They are certainly not in Greenland to defend it against say Thailand.
Nope. They sent “troops” (like 15 people e.g. German), not AGAINST US, but exactly the opposite: To show Trump, that they take his security worries for real and that they can protect Greenland. Ridiculous.
And even if it was against US, I ment combat. There is no combat in Greenland so far. As soon as this started, NATO would break.
and - what do you think I’m thinking? And what do you think would happen in that hypothetical case?
I don’t need to imagine, you said it plainly. There would not be a war.
What I’m saying is that there are EU and Canadian troops there. They are likely going to get in the way of the US if the US decides to occupy a port, or whatever it is the US decides to do to ‘take Greenland’. If the Allies try to prevent it and the Axis kills someone in the process, that will be difficult to just brush off politically. If Greenlanders die due to bombing, same thing.
I would be interested to know how anyone can imagine an Axis occupation of Greenland that doesn’t involve Axis powers exercising lethal force. What is the actual plan from Trump?
Nope, I didn’t say there would be no war.
It will remove a rogue element from NATO. Fuck the US military.
The NATO would cease to exist. Countries would need to decide which NATO country to stand by, and, seriously, NONE would oppose the USA. Thus, no NATO anymore.
Look at this list of countries and tell me which ones would be on the side of the US: https://www.nato.int/en/about-us/organization/nato-member-countries
I don’t react to orders, sorry. My time at the army is long gone. Also, the question shows that you still don’t get my point.
And Russia rubs its hands in glee at having divided the West. Great job, MAGA.
MAGA likes Russia. They will feel no remorse. They’re authoritarians that enjoy what Russia is up to.
Yeah, untill they go live there and get used for the meat grinder
True story
It turns out fascism was the real domino theory all along
I think more like fascists learned from the past, especially from their extreme counterparts-- the communists, on how to organise globally. Steve Bannon even spoke of this with his paradoxical idea of internationalising nationalism. It’s the Communist International but for fascists.
Edit: wording
Oh. I hate that
MAGA = Make America Go Away
Great headline but apparently it’s the great total of 13 soldiers.
Which is enough for the purpose. Denmark invited to come together and talk about ways to support Greenland. So they are not there to defend (yet), but to survey and get an idea of the conditions.
This, and it’s also a form of deterrence in itself. It means that if the US attacks Greenland, they’ll potentially have to kill not just Danish, but also German, French etc soldiers, permanently fucking up relations with those countries beyond repair.
I can already hear Merz: Yes 12 german soldiers died in this very complex situation. But, now is not the time to overreact. The americans are very reliable partners and we should not endanger this relationship just because a view soldiers were killed by accident.
P.s. lets tortur some asylum seekers and send the police to brutalize some “left wing extremists” (climate protesters).
I wouldn’t say permanently, I mean France and Germany have overcome a lot in the last century.
But for the next several decades absolutely. Maybe I’m being a bit pedantic
As zitronenschnitte@feddit.org said, they are there as a scouting group in preparation for a larger contingent.
Anyway, they already are a deterrent, because of their presence, any attack on Greenland risks being an attack on every single country that has sent soldiers for its defence, no matter how few.
Their presence is also a very robust assurance of support, because having one’s troops attacked is way harder to ignore or brush aside than a verbal assurance or some piece of paper.
I know it’s a good first step. I just wanted to highlight, that the headline, although technically the truth, is a bit sensationalist. Also I don’t think Trump will be impressed by that. But I can see how sending a small team is also a strong indirect message to Trump.
Thirteen is just the German contingent, but the other countries are sending similarly small numbers for now. However, this small group is a recon mission, not intended as a fighting force. They’re going there to make a plan for their armies, not to be the army
Yeah sending some troops from multiple european countries is a strong message indeed. I just think Trump won’t be impressed by that and opt for force anyways.
Why is nobody trying to arrest or kill that orange idiot?
If I understood the news correctly those 13 are send to make preparations for a larger unit.
/edit: Apparently, the wording is: ,The aim is to explore framework conditions for securing the region."
…wishy-washy, but better than nothing, I suppose.
That practically doubled the population
That’s funny, I get it. As Europeans, we can make that joke.
Just like, as a Dutch person, I can make jokes about casting Friesland into the Northsea. But if some fuck like Trump starts talking shit about Friesland, than they’ll have to endure my strongly worded comments on alternative social media.
Same goes for Greenland
Then*
They explicity leave it vauge against whom greenlends needs to be defended.
intresting to hear from what is basically germanys “propaganda” channel (the propagande being: look how neutral our news is. tangent: the japanese channel NHK world is basically travel documentaries and “look how delicous our food is”, and well russia has a different aproach with russia today xD)
The Swedish prime minister kept repeating the word “övning” (“exercise”, as in training) in interviews yesterday.
But is ok. It is called diplomacy. Everybody knows exactly what all of this is and why.
It is difficult and fucking weird that we have to deploy troops to defend our allies from our other supposed allies.
There is a word for those so-called supposed allies that describes more accurate what they actually are: Enemies.
Against-our-interests
We need no enemies with allies like that
It is difficult and fucking weird that we have to deploy troops to defend our allies from our other supposed allies.
Yes. And - of all the things - the rogue country being the one that brought the alliance together in the firstplace.
Which is why it was the first and primary target for the most successful psyops campaign in history.
Putin!
