• Rhoeri@lemmy.world
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    I have some gloves-off shit I need to get off my mind and I feel the time and place for it is now because I’m very angry:

    So… non voters, remember when we were telling everyone that would listen to “vote blue no matter who? Remember that? Of course you do- you threw that shit back at us like it was a god damned grenade. Remember that?

    Yeah, well…. THIS is why we were saying that.

    You see, we all saw this shit coming. Which is why we were saying to plug your fucking noses and just vote. Hell…, We even tried to reason with you- suggesting that-

    You’re not voting FOR Harris, you’re voting AGAINST fascism!

    You didn’t listen.

    Your “…but, they’re doing a genocide!” was so deeply embedded via your little edgelord wind-tunnels, that most of you began to see it as an argument to win, instead of a point to be made-

    Instead of doing anything substantial to help end it.

    Well. Your point was definitely made. We all have heard you loud and clear. You collectively and VERY loudly agreed that you would be fine with the outcome either way- since genocide was going to be happening no matter who you voted for, right?

    I do have to ask though…

    Are you still fine with your choice? How about the memory of you, sitting on your asses and laughing at all the people rushing to voting booths in-between work and picking their kids up from daycare… How is that sitting with you? All those jokes and inflammatory remarks you hurled at the people who tried their fucking best to stop this with the only thing they have- their vote. The people, who tried to protect your sorry asses that couldn’t be bothered to even do the BARE FUCKING MINIMUM asked to protect our democracy.

    I ask you… are those jokes still funny?

    Is there any chance that any of you want to walk back all those accusations you made about everyone being sheep? What about those smug and arrogant jabs about how both sides are the same? About how democrats and republicans are somehow working together…

    care to issue a statement here?

    Because I’m pretty damned certain that NONE of this shit would be happening right now if you had listened to us when we told you that this was going to happen.

    When HE fucking told you this would happen.

    And while very few people here were ever in favor of the genocide in Palestine- much to the disagreement of the few that are around that are STILL arguing against this point- we knew and know- that the pain we face at home must be resolved before we can be of any aid in the pain endured by others in theirs… Especially when most of you couldn’t have even pointed to any of those homes on a map a year ago and a half ago.

    It should be noted that this is not in any way to lay the entirety of blame at the feet of the stay-at-home/its-someone-else’s-problem protestors, but the numbers are in, and while your combined lack of effort might not make up the entirety of the ninety one million registered voters that stayed home, it’s a fair guess that between you and the ones that voted third party-

    We could have avoided this.

    Roughly four to five million votes. That’s all we needed. Just four to five million of you to have listened. But your arrogance, your fucking entitlement- wouldn’t let this happen.

    So now here we are. With this shit. This tyrant king and his pet tech-gremlin, stripping away our rights hour by hour, day by day. And while dealing with this shit, I as an American, have to carry on hour by hour, day by day- being tossed into the same bucked with you.

    I have to shoulder the blame right along side you. And it’s not fucking fair. I did my part. I voted. I canvased, I shouted from the fucking rooftops.

    But I’ll digress…

    I sincerely hope that high road you thought you were taking lands you all right to where it seems the rest of us are going….

    Because no one deserves it more.

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      If you want me to vote, run candidates that represent my interests.

      Stop telling the progressives to ‘fall in line.’ Start telling it to the neo-liberals.

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          Save that energy for the next election cycle and direct it towards everyone voting for the establishment candidates.

          If you can convince enough of them to nominate a candidate that supports the working class (you know, I actually voted here) then you can count on seeing me at the polls in the general election.

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            This guy has been annoying as all hell, blaming me for not voting after I stated I did… lol

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      2024 was the second highest turnout of any election on record. This isn’t the fault of non voters.

      Democrats should have been begging voters to turn out, offering to give them anything they wanted to avoid Trump. Instead they actively refused the one thing voters were demanding while using trump almost like a threat

      I’m so tired of this ‘democrats can’t fail, only be failed’ apologia from liberals. As things continue getting worse it will only become harder for democrats to win anything, especially if they continue refusing what voters are asking for while blaming them for the fascism dems are collaborating with.

      Better get your boots laced because sitting on your ass and whining about non-voters won’t protect you, we’re all in this shit now because democrats couldn’t get themselves to challenge Israel’s genocide

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        The Democratic Party doesn’t give a fuck about America turning into a fascist nightmare. Never have, never will. Most of them would be happy to play puppet opposition if it meant that the checks would keep coming.

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          Try convincing someone like rhoeri of that.

          They’d rather deflate the popular anti-wealth momentum within their own party just so they can deflect attention away from inequality, and thats why they’ll continue losing. You and I know that, but people like the above will continue placing blame on voters who are increasingly frustrated instead.

          That’s how libs end up collaborating with fascism - they’re too invested in the existing and failing capital structure

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            rhoeri

            I wonder how rhoeri’s campaign to pass electoral reform in their state is going? Surely someone couldn’t be that upset with 3rd party voters and not be driven to fix the voting system that is the source of the spoiler effect.

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            There’s none so deaf as those who are really deaf

            I don’t know if it’s a legacy of organized religion or a devolution into tribalism, but they seem to see “vote blue no matter what” as the biggest part of their identity.

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                No, it’s like a voter blaming ninety million non-voters for not voting for a man who told them this would all happen.

                Let’s not resort to analogies here. It is exactly what it is.

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              Oh hey rhoeri. Lol I scroll down and you’re right here! Perfect I was wondering how the electoral reform campaign in your state is going?

              You do want to fix the source of the spoiler effect you are so very concerned with right? Imagine all the time you could save not having to make a thousand comments demanding people to vote for your preferred candidate.

              I bet you’re really close to getting it passed. Looking forward to seeing it in the news friend.

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                I’m sorry, am I not allowed to be angry that the assholes that helped cause this stand among us pretending to be victims of their own action??

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                  To reiterate, I voted, people voted for trump too you know. If we had a perfect election system to begin with there would not be a non voting demographic, now as much as i would too like to live in that reality, that isnt this one. If im going to somehow find more contempt to millions of americans rather than the few up top, right now, I’d be a sad sack of shit.

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          So glad we have non voters to tell us how bad things could have been!

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        The bed is made, all we have left to do now is lie in it.

        Moving forward, the best thing that can happen from this is to ensure that those that caused it see the damage they helped create so that if we ever have the opportunity again, they’ll have learned from it.

        And I’ll be on this soapbox until I feel like I’ve said my fucking peace.

        Block me.

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          So what exactly are you doing to clean up the Democrat Party of a leadership who managed to lose against none other than Donald Trump, TWICE?

          Or are you just another tribalist muppet that thinks “the chief is always right and needs not concede anything to anybody and it’s everybody else who has to just do what the chief wants” hence rages against those who are not of your tribe and didn’t follow the wishes of your “chiefs” rather than against your “chiefs” for not even trying to appeal to those other people?

          Because it would’ve been way easier for the handful of people in the Democrat Party leadership to, rather than totally refusing to care as they did, listen to and start addressing the concerns of the millions who were hesitant in voting Democrat, than for those millions of voters to magically change their minds when the party which should have been trying to appeal to them couldn’t give a rat’s arse about their worries.

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          Have you learned we can change our voting system so people can vote how they want yet? Do you need some informative videos to explain our current First-past-the-post voting system and the alternatives that let people vote how they want?

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          praise the lord, but really… it’s time to think about what the people have to do to reign this nightmare in.

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      Wanted to add you make ml’s look completely sane, given how much you post about them.

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          If youre accusing me of being an ml, I’ve got news for you.

          Seriously, what are you trying to achieve? We get it, you’re self righteous and need to whine, but what does any of this actually acomplish?

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            I’m not self-righteous at all. I’m just sick of pretending these assholes didn’t help cause the problem they fucking complain about every day here.

            And the irony of you calling me self-righteous while these assholes are responding that they have every entitled reason not to vote against tyranny.

            Fucking hilarious.

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              So even though i voted for Harris, i get no qualms with how that - failed - campaign was ran? It failed, a campaigns only purpose is to win and it failed. We dont fail our representatives, they fail us. Tell me what isnt righteous if I cant critique a campaign.

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      Excuse me, but if I remember correctly, wasn’t that election one with the most people voting ever? Kind of odd to be blaming non-voters when the voting turnout was a lot larger than usual.

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      Am Not an American . Are the Democrats now doing something to be more appealing in the future, or they just rely on Trump to keep being awful?

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        I think this is hard for people from other countries to understand. Our Democrats are not an opposition party. We don’t have that concept in our system. I’ll admit I was naive to it before Trump started Trumping. Even after the first Trump I was thinking, “Well, that was fucking dumb. Glad we found our sanity again.” And I was wrong.

        I wouldn’t have been able to articulate this before. I credit my time on Lemmy for some of it. But in reality you can’t explain any of this shit show UNLESS you accept that our entire political system is now structured to serve the rich at the expense of the peasants. Universal healthcare is a no brainer. Infrastructure like rail and renewables is a no brainer. Affordable childcare and reasonable wages is a fucking no brainer. UNLESS the incentives for those in power are not aligned with the good of the people.

        Democrats don’t care that they’re not in power, as long as the establishment keeps getting paid.

        Now, of course, there can be those like AOC and Sanders who buck that trend. Leaders with those types of values do tend toward the Democratic party. But those are the exceptions. And they can’t save us.

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          InverseParallax is right, my friend. The Republicans aren’t paying you by the word. Next time, just say something stupid like “Both Sides Are The Same!” and keep it down to a single paragraph.

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          Jesus, somewhere there’s a GOP party operative that’s literally wondering whether or not he paid for that whole screed to depress turnout.

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        At the moment, our fiercest Democrat just voted for the new law to allow The government to censor anything on the internet they don’t like. I think it’s fair to say it’s not going well.

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          Funny, why don’t you name the law and let people look it up and read what it actually says? Are you talking about S.146, a bill to prohibit the nonconsensual online publication of intimate visual depictions of individuals, and requiring platforms to remove it upon request?

          So in other words, if someone posts nudes of you online and you object to it, this law would require the site to take it down upon your requesting it… is THAT the censorship you are crying about??

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            You mean the one that’s so vaguely worded that it can be used by the government to silence anything and remove free speech?

            Why didn’t you publish the entire full text of the bill here and all the possible outcomes along with a bunch of news articles listing pros and cons of such thing?

            Christ, if you think that’s crying please don’t ever have kids.

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          I think now is a good time for third party too get going. I’m sure a bunch of left leaning Democrats could take a good chunk of the vote and tea party the Democrats.

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            We’ve passed a line, sans drastic things happening, there won’t be any meaningful votes anymore.

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            Political IQ Exam: Do you think voting for a third party candidate is a viable option in a First Past the Post system"

            The answer to that question is the simplest way possible to identify a complete lack of political intellect.

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        The Democrats are probably praying that Trump lives till he’s 1000 years old, otherwise they would need to do something more than not being Ttump

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          they would need to do something more than not being Ttump

          The only thing not being Trump has gotten them so far was one more term of an old white guy who was barely left of the right.

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      #resistance #liberal

      Because no one deserves it more.

      Truly the most evil demographic of people, non-voters.

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      I held my nose and voted for Kamala, but 2016, 2020, and 2024 should have been cakewalks for Dems but they refuse to win the easy races by picking the worst candidates, sure 2020 fell for Dems but that wasn’t for lack of trying to lose. The Democrat party keeps putting their fingers on the scale for the losing option in the primaries.

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      the non-voters either dint bother voter, or said it doesnt affect them right now.

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      The genocide stuff(yes we know its deplorable) was a wedge issue grift started and perpetuated by russia

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        Yeah, funny how after election day, genocide stopped being the #1 voting issue here, but that said, there were a handful of useless idiots who actually bought into the rooskie psyop, and you occasionally see their pathetic attempts to justify their choices up to today.

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      Why are you okay with your fellow Americans being unrepresented in the voting booth?

      Are you working to replace First past the post voting in your state? People should be free to vote for those they deem best, while still counting their vote against those they don’t want in office.

      We don’t need to wait for a miracle from congress. How we vote us controlled at the state level. Alaska has already done away with FPTP voting. Alaskan Republicans were so upset that Ranked Choice voting kept Sarah Palin out of office they offered up a referendum to go back to FPTP voting. The people of Alaska voted to keep it. Other republican controlled states are passing legislation to outlaw any voting system other then First-past-the-post voting

      Why do you want to use the same voting system republicans prefer? Do you support democracy? Or do you get off on telling people how to vote?

      Videos on alternative voting systems

      First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)

      Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.

      STAR voting

      Alternative vote

      Ranked Choice voting

      Range Voting

      Single Transferable Vote

      Mixed Member Proportional representation

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      I didn’t even have to hold my nose for Kamala. She seemed fine. Nothing amazing but fine, just like Biden.

      But then again I don’t care about the pressing issues like how someone laughs.

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        Yeah, it’s all relative. There are plenty of issues with Kamala, and I think most of us here on Lemmy would prefer somebody considerably more progressive. However, we in the US live in a country full of people who just actively chose Donald fucking Trump, and every single one of them lived through his first term. Even if they didn’t live in the US at the time, they heard all about it if they cared to listen.

        But hey, let’s see the bright side. Maybe accelerating straight into crazy town will see us wrap back to the next period of peace and democracy more quickly.

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      If the dems wanted to win, Bernie would have been our candidate in 2016, not Hillary. If the dems weren’t working for the same people the reps are, Harris would have taken over as president when it was CLEAR that Biden was not fit to lead anymore. If the dems wanted to prevent fascism, they would have had an election to decide who the candidate will be, not just stick Harris in and tell us to vote for her.

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        ‘Well if you didn’t want fascism you should have given me what I want!’

        That sounds like MAGA talk.

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            Actually if there’s one thing about the democrats, they don’t demand much of shit.

            That’s why you hate them, and I am fine with them.

            I don’t want to deal with assholes on either side, I want a fucking functional country.

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              the Democrats refused to get anything done that could actually stop Trump. You remember how Biden fumbled his presidential run but wouldn’t let go of the race to Harris? Do you also remember Harris courting evil right wingers in an attempt to “reach across the aile”?

              Do you also remember how they snubbed Sanders with fucking Hillary?