Jordan Lund is NOT a good human being.
Right, the Gaza Genocide isn’t US Politics… Those aren’t US made bombs being dropped with US politicians cheering them on and US diplomatic support and denial allowing the Genocide to continue. Nothing could be more salient to US politics than the ways in which the Palestinian Genocide drove us to war.
What a joke.
I feel that this situation unfortunately requires escalation and I will be directly contacting Lemmy World mods, I will update with their response.
For the record the first article about corporate complicity in the Palestinian Genocide includes references to many major US corporations, thus making it drirectly relevant to US politics at an immediate level.
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42581206
The second article about US media’s complicity in coverage over the Palestinian Genocide… do I need to actually explain how that is related to US politics? Of course it is?
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42579919
The third article is relevant because the US and Israel have been intimately interwoven in their escalation of Genocide and breaking of international norms, if a Genocide begins in Lebanon it will be a DIRECT continuation of US politics applied first in Israel and next in Lebanon. I mean what the hell we are fighting a war RIGHT NOW and this is the biggest escalation possible IN THAT WAR. How is that NOT related to US politics???
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42579757
https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-replicating-its-gaza-war-tactics-lebanon
The fourth article about there being no ceasefire in Gaza, I don’t even know how to go about this one, om, it is politics involving primarily the US here? The US is the single most relevant political actor capable of changing this situation? How is this not US politics? Where can you cleanly draw a line here?
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42630002
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/there-no-ceasefire-gaza
The US is directly and intimately complicit in the Palestinian Genocide, you cannot in good conscience nor with logical consistency separate US politics cleanly from this issue, if you wanted that to be possible you should have spoken up louder against the Genocide before, now it is too late to fumble with broken stilted arguments like this. The Palestinian Genocide is US Politics, period, end of story.
Can we finally stop pretending that what we have been witnessing in Gaza over the past 22 months is a “war,” a “conflict,” or even a “humanitarian crisis”? Many of the world’s leading human rights and humanitarian groups – including Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and Doctors Without Borders – agreed months ago that what is being livestreamed to our phones on a daily basis is indeed a genocide.
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Trump’s Republican allies in the House and Senate are even more gung-ho. Forget complicity; Congress is filled with GOP cheerleaders for genocide, from Senators Tom “bounce the rubble in Gaza” Cotton to Lindsey “level the place” Graham. The newest member of the House, Randy Fine, a Republican representative of Florida, has called for the nuking of Gaza and said just days ago that Palestinians in Gaza should “starve away” until the Israeli hostages are all released. (A reminder that incitement to genocide is also a crime under Article III of the Genocide convention.)
But we cannot let Democrats off the hook either. The first 16 months of this mass slaughter unfolded on a Democratic president’s watch. From the get-go, Joe Biden gave Netanyahu and his cabinet of génocidaires everything they needed – 2,000-lb bombs to drop on refugee camps filled with Palestinian children? Check. UN security council vetoes to prevent the passage of resolutions calling for a permanent ceasefire? Check. The burial of internal US government reports warning of war crimes and famine in Gaza? Check.
It wasn’t just Biden. The vast majority of Democrats in Congress spent much of 2024 casting vote after vote to keep arming, funding and whitewashing the mass killing of Palestinian civilians. Even now, in the summer of 2025, seven high-profile Democratic senators were happy to take a smiling photo with Netanyahu, including the Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer, who claims talk of genocide is antisemitic and says his job “is to keep the left pro-Israel”.
- Mehdi Hasan
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/02/the-us-complicit-genocide-israel-gaza
It honestly hurts my brain and I would be more inclined to laugh about it if it didn’t hurt my heart so badly to see discussion of the Palestinian Genocide so clearly silenced by people like Jordan Lund.
You aren’t being silenced, you were re-directed to the appropriate community which is !world@lemmy.world , not !politics.
You just banned me from !politics, which would be the definition of silencing?
I temp banned you for three days after you repeatedly failed to follow the clear guidelines I gave you.
When the ban expires, you’re welcome to post US Politics articles back in Politics as you did here (excellent post BTW):
https://lemmy.world/post/44253357
If you insist on posting “Israel bad!” to a community specifically for US Politics, you will get banned again.
Israel / Gaza = Goes in !world@lemmy.world
Things actually involving US Politics goes in Politics.
This is why separate communities exist.
I endorse this comment.
Yes, the !politics@lemmy.world community followed the convention from Reddit. If you want to post Israel bad in a US politics community, relate it more closely to US politics. Polling about elections, AIPAC donations, votes or movement on a particular bill are examples. What exactly is wrong with posting in !world@lemmy.world or !globalpolitics@lemmy.world or wherever else you want?
The sources thing is also reasonable. May not be perfect, sure, but you’re welcome to moderate your own community.
There certainly aren’t enough current issues to replace/remove a moderator, especially one who has done so much unappreciated work for Lemmy and his communities.
This whole post seems like a harassment campaign.
The fascinating thing to me is they STILL haven’t re-posted the removed stories to the communities where they are appropriate and welcome.
Almost… almost like they would rather stir up drama than promote the articles. 🤔
For each of the removed articles they were told where they could post them.
Someone posting in good faith would go “Oh, ok, sorry…” and put it up where it goes. I have that all the time when I remove self posts and go “Dude, !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world is over there…”
To say that Israel and Gaza arent predominant political issues in US politics is just straight up denial
Somehow it effected the election, but also isn’t important enough to bother with upholding international law.
The enemy is too strong and too weak.
They CAN be political issues, notably AIPAC interference in US elections, but the removed articles has ZERO connection to US Politics which is the stated purpose of !politics@lemmy.world
Please feel free to review the removed articles, note how none of them mention any connection to US Politics, Policy, or Politicians.
There’s always an excuse to actively censor anything or anyone who makes every centrist’s god netanyahu look bad.
Always.
It’s not censorship to say “this is not the correct community for this, the one you want is over here.”
It is when you mod “over there” and make up excuses for removing anti-genocide content everywhere you can abuse your petty authority.
Idk, seems like an article discussing US media coverage of a US political issue is pretty definitionally about US politics
Nope, again, war crimes by Israel is not a US Political issue.
It is when it’s in the context of US coverage and commentary by political actors (not just limited to politicians, but activists, journalists, unions, and corporations (since at least Citizens United)
“It’s not a US political issue if democratic politicians continue avoiding talking about it” is quite the take lmao
Please elaborate on what precisely you mean by “Israel bad!”? Do you mean low effort articles that claim Israel is bad for intellectually lazy reasons? Have I posted those? If so which ones? What evidence do you have of those articles having baseless, sloppy criticisms of the politics at hand here?
How does this make sense? Defend your position as moderator of a community where you exclude Israel/Gaza as a political topic but you do not exclude discussion of any other international issue that has direct, intimate relevance to the US along countless dimensions?
Ok, lets make a bet, how many US made bombs do you think Israel will drop from US trained fighter pilots flying US jets that refueled on US made tanker aircraft on innocent children in the next 3 days while I wait to post political articles about it? 20? 30? I will say 35 as my guess, what do you guess?
Politics is specifically stated to be for US Politics.
Israel bombing a hospital in Gaza is NOT US Politics. Israel is not the United States.
No US Politician told Israel to bomb a hospital. There was no vote in the House or Senate to authorize bombing hospitals.
Yes, what Israel is doing are war crimes, but they are outside the sphere of US Politics.
Israel being a bad actor is welcome in !world@lemmy.world
Unless there is a specific connection to US Political leaders or Policy (as there was in the post that was NOT removed), it doesn’t belong in !politics@lemmy.world
I have this same conversation when people post internal US News to World as well. World is a US news free zone. Otherwise it would be “Trump does stupid shit” top to bottom.
So let me get this straight so I can laugh harder at your absurd attempts to rationalize your innate emotional desire not to see reality for how it is, if Israel drops a 2000 pound bomb US made bomb on a children’s school in Gaza and kills 15 children, and then US politicians run cover for Israel stopping international agencies that could hold Israel accountable from being able to do so… you don’t think that is relevant to US politics?
The US is absolutely instrumental along every dimension in the Palestinian Genocide, material, monetary, political, cultural… in every respect the US is relevant. if you cannot grasp that you should not be moderating a Politics community, period, full stop. Having you in charge of a Politics community is tantamount to having a child run a Liquor store unsupervised, you have no clue what you are doing and frankly it is dangerous.
As a final note, in the interests of shitting on anti-semitism because let me make clear I cannot stand anti-semites they piss the hell out of me, fuck people who lazily blame the consequences of their choices on jews and call it a day… it is necessary to discuss how Israel is a colonial imperialist outpost of the US and reflects many of the same patterns the US has in order to diffuse anti-semitic narratives that Israel’s behavior has something to do with being jewish and evil, and nothing to do with being a vassal state of a colonial empire that can do things the colonial empire/suzerain can’t get away with doing themselves.
If you link to a story showing the US House or Senate voting to cover for Israel (or, heck, voting to sanction Israel), that would, in fact, be US Politics.
US Politicians taking official action regarding Israel is fine for !politics@lemmy.world
Israel committing war crimes in Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon, Syria goes in !world@lemmy.world
US Politicians volunteering to be Israeli lapdogs like Schumer or Fetterman do repeatedly? Also !politics@lemmy.world
Because, again, US politicians doing political things in the US.
Israel illegally invading Lebanon, AGAIN? !world@lemmy.world That’s Israeli political policy, not US political policy.
And you would find a different excuse to remove it for the glory of genocide.
Not only is the division you are attempting to construct here utterly artificial, it is an artifice that obscures one of the most brutal human rights atrocities in my lifetime.
Shame on you, shame on you for toying with this conversation like it is simply an abstracted conversation about definitions. You know it isn’t, don’t treat me like I am stupid enough to believe you think it is.
There is a Genocide going on right now, as we speak, and you are participating gleefully in silencing conversation about it. Own it coward.
Bullshit.
LOL Israel isn’t the 51st state… yet!
All the benefits, none of the obligations.
That would make some sense if USA and majority of congress people weren’t either supporting Israel in their genocide or just in supplying weapons and funds
Nobody supports the genocide, well, maybe Trump who wants the waterfront property.
The majority support Israel as a nation who continues to abuse that support, but the abuse is on the Israeli side, not the American side.
You support nothing else.
Calling for Israel to be prosecuted supports genocide?
😂
Josh Shapiro, John fetterman, Lindsay Graham, Mike Huckabee…
the list is almost endless. you don’t seem to know anything about this issue. you probably aren’t qualified to moderate a politics community.
Show me where any of them say they are OK with genocide… it’s cool. I can wait.
None of them are that stupid.
I thought you didn’t tolerate sealioning
Hi Jordan. Nice to see your imminent death experience prompted you to reflect on some of your opinions and actions.
People hate it when you explain what does or does not go in specific communities. 😂
Nah, just when a horrible human being uses a transparently stupid and incorrect justification to promote his own bias in obvious bad faith.
We have the president we do now BECAUSE of the Gaza genocide. It is explicitly US News / Politics.
You’re a bad person.
Again, the Gaza genocide is NOT US Politics.
The US is not dropping bombs in Gaza and Lebanon. Israel is. That’s the difference.
Feel free to blame Israel all you want, in a fair and just world we already would have arrested Netanyahu and held tribunals.
But the blood is on Israeli hands.
Heyyy, if someone hires a hitman, provides the weapon and ammo and gives them money, guess who is guilty
That’s a lot of words to explicitly not address what I wrote at all.
Deflection is not a healthy response.
Then the community should be “US Politics.”
Any community he mods is an enforced pro-genocide echo chamber.
Once it’s set up, it can’t be changed and I didn’t set it up.
I agree though, should be US Politics and World Politics, US News and World News.
That way the folks who don’t care about the US Death Spiral don’t have it inflicted on them.
I TRY to keep that stuff out of !world@lemmy.world but then we go do stupid stuff like Venezuela, Iran, Cuba, Greenland, Canada. (sigh)
The title can be changed, not the path.
Change the name halfwit
It’s literally the first line on the sidebar:
Good question, the community was set up before I was brought on board, I can’t say why they set it up that way, simply that it is.
Unless the news article specifically points to US policy or political action, it doesn’t belong in Politics. This isn’t six degrees of separation.
World exists for non-us World news.
Because no US politician or policy authorizes the genocide. That’s an Israeli war crime. The US provided funding for legitimate defense, not genocide.
You can see what they THINK they were funding through sites like this:
https://www.ajc.org/news/what-every-american-should-know-about-us-aid-to-israel
Now, you and I both know Israel isn’t ACTUALLY using the funding for that, but that’s on Israel.
As I said in another post, the funding was done in good faith, Israel is using it in bad faith.
And the second line is the start of the rules. If you’re gonna treat it as a rule you’re banning people over maybe you should make it a rule–cause right now a plain reading indicates it’s not.
And you’re there now, presumably with some modicum of influence (at least enough to suggest that the stupid naming scheme is stupid).
I agree. It’s more like 1 degree of separation:
A little more than a year after the genocide started the US was still supplying arms. If it’s not US foreign policy to fund this genocide why is the US continuing to fund this genocide? If it’s not US foreign policy why does the US back Israel in the genocide case at the ICJ? If it’s not US foreign policy why did the US vote against the UN’s Gaza ceasefire resolution?
It seems that the people who are responsible for carrying out the US’s foreign policy initiatives as pertinent to the Gaza genocide keep facilitating the genocide, almost like the US is culpable in executing the genocide and that the US backed genocide actually has something to do with the US.
I recognize that you seem to get off in wielding power to the extent that your lust necessarily prevents you from having a grasp on causality were it to change your mind, but your artiface does not actually change reality. You are wrong. The US is involved in the genocide of the Gazan people and therefore the genocide of the Gazan people is relevant to US politics.
It doesn’t need to be a rule, read the message placed in removed posts:
“And true to their purpose”
The purpose of !politics@lemmy.world is explicitly stated - US Politics.
If it’s not the US, or it’s not politics, it will be removed and re-directed to where it IS appropriate, in this case !world@lemmy.world
Squirrel chose to double down rather than accept moderation and continued to make off topic posts. Making off topic posts repeatedly, when warned, got them the temp ban (2 days left).
We’ll see if they can behave when the ban expires, I am not hopeful in that regard, but they DID make one post actually relevant to US Politics which was allowed to stand.
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42580966
“US Democratic lawmakers have introduced a bill…”
That’s the very definition of US politics and is welcome.
Israel attacking Lebanon goes in !world@lemmy.world
US Media falling down on the job goes in !world@lemmy.world or !news@lemmy.world
Corporations being evil goes in !world@lemmy.world or !news@lemmy.world
Now, the REAL question…
Instead of abiding by the rules of the community and posting the stories where they would be relevant, why did Squirrel choose to fight a battle they cannot win? 🤔
They STILL haven’t re-posted them. I guess they are more concerned with Lemmy drama.
They merely can’t win because of an imbalance of power. Like the US backed genocide in Gaza.
It’s just unbelievable watching people go in circles to ignore how much the usa supports Israel even when they’re doing a genocide. Although not exactly surprising considering they’ve been working towards it since the country of Israel was founded
The stunning thing to me is just how much people don’t know about what Israel does, I’ve been beating that particular drum since the 90s.
You’d THINK someone would have paid attention when they killed Rachel Corrie 23 years ago…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie
The most interesting one to me personally was how Israel tried to assassinate the US ambassador to Lebanon back in 1980:
https://www.wrmea.org/2002-november/american-ambassador-recalls-israeli-assassination-attempt-with-u.s.-weapons.html
Weird, considering a majority of the are fully okay in supporting it. Hell even Kamala fully embraced it to not hurt Biden
They did not support genocide. They support Israel as a nation and there is a difference.
Too many people honestly believe Netanyahu is capable of acting in good faith, you and I both know he’s not, but that’s not going to stop those who support Israel.
This bullshit is support for genocide.
No, it is not. The majority of the US who support Israel do it for bullshit faith based reasons, not bullshit genocidal reasons.
I agree, the base reasoning is still bullshit, but it’s not based on genocide.
You misunderstand. The bullshit you posted was support for genocide on your part.
They did and still do.
https://www.972mag.com/biden-harris-democrats-israel-genocide/
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/20/biden-gaza-not-genocide-israel-00159020
Yes that’s why they still keep sad the bombs are for the defensive massacres of civilians
Campaigning for an end to violence and a two state solution is not supporting genocide. Try again.
Supplying and assisting the country committing a genocide is supporting a genocide. Especially when breaking laws to continue doing it.
Why, it’s not like you are actually going to change your mind or accept facts. This and the previous threads make that absolutely clear
Stop acting like an idiot. Don’t talk about things you don’t understand
It’s not an act, he’s an idiot.
It’s super hard, you actually have to pay attention to what people say and remember it for later reference.
https://press.armywarcollege.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3273&context=parameters
"As a sovereign state and UN member, Israel has the right to use military force to defend itself from an armed attack. Article 51 of the UN Charter makes this right abundantly clear, and self-defense is perhaps the least contested legal basis for a state resorting to military force. Article 51 reads:
“Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security.”5
So when Biden, or Harris, or Schumer or anyone else said they needed funding for Israel’s defense, that is what they were talking about.
The problem, as you and I both know, is that Israel has gone beyond defense, but nobody is willing to rein them in.
When pro-genocide centrists know they’re wrong, they get condescending.
They’re never not condescending.
It is palestinians, lebanese and iranians who has the right to resist a country who threatening the whole region . Those are the countries who should be funded not the terrorist state of Israel. The genocide convention say that any country who signed it should do everything to stop it. Biden and Trump is giving them bellion to commit it. You are just an idiot. Israel right to self defense ended after the day of october 7 since Hamas offered the rrturn of the hostage from the beginning in exchange of the Palestinians hostages
International law (specifically UN General Assembly Resolution 3070) affirms the right of peoples under colonial and foreign domination to struggle for self-determination "by all available means, including armed struggle
No it’s on the USA being lying liars. And calling it out should very well be US Politics, and allowed. Unless you know, this is a psyop server.
When US politicians get caught lying that’s absolutely fair game for !politics@lemmy.world and it’s a delight every time!
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/26/politics/george-santos-admits-embellishing-resume
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/11/portland-national-guard-trump-lies-doj.html
https://www.nj.com/politics/2025/05/did-trump-just-get-caught-in-another-massive-lie-appears-so.html