Normally I would dismiss this as stupid propaganda. Now I am considering it to be an incredulous reality. 😒
Who would stop the CIA from dressing 3 brown operatives in turbans, blowing up a building, and then blaming Iran?
Don’t be silly, they’ll put one in a dress and try to claim they’re trans
I don’t like Trump or the war either but this is literally just propaganda. I trust Iran as much as I trust Trump. Not at all. Foreign authoritarians are not somehow more trustworthy than domestic ones. The phrase “the Epstein Network” is just an attempt to anchor this into domestic political controversies.
Bluntly Trump doesn’t care about public opinion about this war enough to do this or the lead in to this war would have looked much more like Iraq
But he does care about rigging elections and would love a reason to attempt to suspend elections.
This is so well played!
Now Iran can attempt an attack almost openly on the US soil and many will believe it was an inside job. Well, that’s what happens when you have 0 credibility at home due to your compulsive need to say BS all the time.
Nah, we’ll still be able to tell. Effective, strategic, hits people of all walks of life? Iran. Bungled, half-assed, and happens in a blue city, in a community of color, at a gay bar… you know.
So Iran just has to do it all bungled and half-assed and we’ll never suspect it was them!
What dimension of chess are we now playing? 6D? 7D? Shit’s going to start blowing up and 1/3 of the people will be claiming it, 1/3 blaming it, and 1/3 lying about it, when in fact it was a laptop battery that overheated.
You mean like that “potential drone strike attempt” in California that the FBI said Iran might try to do? Despite it being unlikely that Iran has drones capable of striking California?
A head’s up, totally feasible. A drone strike can be launched from a boat, a box truck, a garage, anywhere you can have an operator to control it.
I’m not saying that this particular threat was a real problem, but personally I do not understand how the US has not been hit yet. Why is Iran not even bothering?
Because historically, the only two times the USA was actually attacked on USA soil, we retaliated with an unreasonable amount of force. Sure we didn’t nuke anyone after 9/11, but we did after Pearl Harbor and Trump is absolutely demented and egotistical enough to actually try to nuke a country that directly attacks the USA. Plus, attacking Iran is pretty unpopular in the USA because people can tell that we are doing this at the behest of Israel, and they don’t want American soldiers to die fighting Israel’s war (obviously some Americans are fine with this tho bc zionists are loyal to Israel above all else). If Iran attacks the USA directly then suddenly attacking Iran will be wildly popular in the USA, which will mean an even longer and more brutal conflict is guaranteed
We have sonar so good we can find a dead billionaire at the bottom of the sea. Ain’t no way they get a boat with a drone in range without us letting it happen.
Haha, yeah. I saw that too and pondered at the veracity of that claim. If Iran has drones that can fly across the Indian and Pacific Oceans and still hit a target, damn, that’s a helluva technological leap.
Only that the Trumpets do have pretty plausible deniability if there is no clear and blatant evidence it’s a false flag, as nobody would believe the dumbasses in the US Admin were competent enough to pull off a successful false flag.
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… The world has gone very wrong when this doesn’t even sound so unbelievable. I only see one issue:
So far the US seems to have given up trying to make pretext for anything. Trump can do anything he wants and be worshipped for it.
He still has to manufacture consent, and blaming the brown people for random bombings is the classic way. It’s not just unbelievable, it will happen.
I do like the idea of calling the current US government the “Epstein Network”.
I call them the Epstein Class. It’s not just this administration, or even one party, or even just politicians in general. It is the global elite and their unjust system of exploitation called capitalism that has allowed Trump to do what he does with no consequences. As long as the Epstein Class exists, there will be more Epsteins.
capitalism
Think Epstein’s network crossed economic ideological boundaries. Noam Chomsky considered Epstein a good friend while simultaneously being a staunch critic of capitalism. There are signs of being connected to the USSR, China, North Korea, … If Epstein connected with fame or power, it didn’t matter what ‘system’ was in play.
I like to call them the washington regime, but I accept this as well.
I like the Iranian ministers, they just casually walk with their people in the middle of a war and have the balls to call these guys out in front of everyone.
They also murder women for not wearing a stupid hat.
Let’s please not forget that.
We murder ours for not putting out, and our information about other parts of the world is largely curated by a fascist regime. Let’s please not forget that
There doesn’t have to be a good guy in this story. It is perfectly plausible for this entire mess to be driven solely by villains while the innocents, who have no control over any of it, be its victims.
That is pretty much true throughout all of history. You almost never have “good guys”; it’s usually “bad guys” versus “worse guys.”
Yeah I don’t get why people are choosing sides when the sides are a Pedo-fascist regime and a theocratic dictatorship. This war is stupid af, but I wouldn’t shed a tear if the Iranian regime collapses due to it.
R.I.P. to the innocent Civilians caught in the crossfire.
The best move is to not play.
because iran is not the only place the pedo-fascists are destroying, have destroyed and are willing to destroy.
You dont have to side with a theocracy that murders women just because the other is a bunch of pedophile war mongers.
It is possible to be anti-war and dislike both sides.
I kinda default to “underdog=good guy” in these situations. The people with trillions of dollars reaching across the globe to grub for more are typically in the wrong.
I find this claim I just read in a headline more credible than any of the claims released by the Epstein network because I feel like that’s pretty fucking obvious they’re either trying to provoke an attack or make a false flag look more believable.
Just a friendly reminder that this happened a few weeks ago:
The Epstein Network
Tbh pushing this narrative far and wide is going to do a LOT to defang the impact of any sort of false flag bullshit the orange regime might attempt.
Didn’t the FBI already say shit about bombing California?
Given every accusation is a confession with the GoP I immediately figured they were going to do it themselves and blame Iran. And that California was chosen to try to scare it into line, much like other blue states have been targeted by the current administration.
Wait, they did? You got a source?
Edit: ok yeah I remember this. I thought it smelled to high heaven initially. Fact check report https://archive.is/2026.03.13-151616/https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fbi-california-iran-drone-strikes/
That particular archive site is shit. I can do the captcha 10 times and it won’t load the site. Additionally, I believe their captcha page is used to ddos Wikipedia.
not to put an extra tin foil on my tin foil hat.
but now, given the US government, even if Iran did perpetrate a 9/11 style attack. I will assume it was a false flag attack by the US.
It’s not tin foil hatty.
Kash fucking Patel was told to gut the team at the FBI responsible for identifying and tracking threats originating from Iran right before we started shooting things at them. That’s as close to a false-flag setup as you can get without actually just doing it yourself.
that’s why I have no doubt that any attack in the US will be done by the US.
my point being, that by being that sloppy and untrustworthy, even is Iran did commit an attack, everyone will believe it was the US. not saying they will. just that the US government is fucked either way
Honestly that might be something that could actually incite real rebellion by state governments and another civil war - the federal government carrying out a false flag so ham-handedly that it’s brutally fucking obvious that it’s a false flag.
unless it’s near the midterms, and they will be cancelled for some “national security”/ “emergency crisis” reason or bullshit.
Which, again, could incite actual rebellion. That’s never been done. Even during either world war. Even during the Civil War.
Is there a geographical reason to target California? Because, if anything, I imagine Texas would be the bigger target. California opposes Trump, Texas does not. Why would Iran want to target the enemy of its own enemy?
do you think there are “good"states and"bad states”?
they are all the same, we started a war, and attacked civilian centers, we set the terms of engagement. random Californians are targets thanks to trump
Random Californians were put at risk thanks to Trump, obviously. I wouldn’t dare argue otherwise. My point has more to do with what I imagine the strategy of a state like Iran would be. I think your point stands, if the offensive were coming from China. Do you think Iran believes they’d stand a chance at accomplishing anything via an assault on US soil? If it were to happen at all, which I already believe to be quite unlikely, then I can only really accept it would happen with political precision. Iran would, if they were smart, try not to give Californians a reason to change their position on the war.
do you think there are “good"states and"bad states”?
Yeah, I do. There are states that are gerrymandered to hell, propagandized to hell, and serve the interests of a very small and damaging minority. That minority includes Trump and his enablers. You alternatively have the equally shit alternative states, and yeah… I picked that side.
in WW2, was there a distinction on which parts of Germany were more or less in favour of Hitler? When we carpet bombed Cambodia, did we looked into the regional polls? when we bombed Teheran, do they look at which neighbours and school girls were more or less in favour of the regime? When we endorsed a genocide in Gaza, did we ask to only target certain neighbours based on polls?
This “In hope they spare the blue states” is such an unimaginably entitled statement. Sounds like “But I am one of the good guys!!!”
No, the US has a long imperialist career of wars of aggressions and war crimes. You have personally benefited from them by having low fuel costs, you are not innocent, you might not have consented to this, but you are part of it, your taxes paid for it. If anything the US is the nation that need to be liberated.
That just means they’ll have to make it so big that it literally shocks the U.S. into believing they’re dealing with an existential threat.
You know all that uranium you keep hearing about on the news…
We are facing an existential threat, that threat is Trump.
Trump is a symptom, not the disease.
This is such an annoying reply that I see everywhere. Yes, you need to treat a disease, but sometimes a single symptom can be the most threatening part of a disease.
If I’m having a heart attack, I don’t need a diatribe about diet and exercise to fix the disease, I need CPR to fix the symptom.
He may just be a symptom of a greater problem, but he’s a pretty big fucking problem by himself.
Well said. I don’t get the impulse for people to be like “there is no solution here. Trump gone won’t change anything” which is just stupid. Yes there is a huge systemic problem… but your metaphor here works well to explain why the take of the other person is not helpful.
All of it is helpful. This is just public discourse, and it’s important that we don’t become one dimensional in our understandings. Nobody here is going to make an argument so precise and well done that it’ll motivate any one of us to go to the local gun store and start target practice. Helpful in this context is being wise, flexible, understanding, … don’t let yourself become distracted, predictable, or blind.
I agree with you for the most part, but if your words are easily taken as “it’s hopeless” that is not good.
Yeah, well, you don’t take care of yourself after a heart attack, eventually you’re gonna die from one. We’ve had several heart attacks.
Pot que no los dos?
I don’t know, he’s pretty diseasey
And yet he is the worst president in history. Are we to give up because the corrupt system and idiotic public, both of which give him power, exists?
what’s the difference? the orange pedophile couldn’t care less about public opinion and it’s clear by now Americans will not mount an opposition of any significance at this point
Probably to change Europes minds on joining the war.
I give Europeans more credit than that…
Right but not this administration to try it and think it’ll work.
Well, how else is the pedo felon going to justify imposing martial law to avoid the bloodbath midterms?
Nobody does false flag attacks like the US. One must just assume that if something like that happens it was fully planned and deployed by the Burger admin, that’s always the most probable scenario.
Nah Israel is definitely the king of false flags.
Honestly, they’re very refined today compared to the Americans (the empire isn’t what it used to be) when it comes to precise, covert operations, you might be right.
Unfortunately there are millions of idiots who will eat it up.
Like the fake assassination attempt on Trump during the 2024 presidential election where he wore a bandaid for 3 weeks then took it off because he was bored of it?
Well it was a real assassination attempt. They really killed that firefighter.
False flag and the firefighter was a actor.
I honestly think this is part of the plan.
If there’s a 9/11 style event before 2028, it will open the door for Donald to became a true dictator, and even better, the American people will line up behind him and support it. (As evidenced by Dubya getting reelected after all the dictator shit he did post-9/11.)
It’ll have to be soon. He’s sundowning hard lately, and it won’t be much longer before he won’t even be able to get through a speech even with a teleprompter.
You’re not wrong. That’s almost certainly, in part, a driving factor behind the urgency of starting these wars now.
I can’t wait for this administration to bungle even this
Wow! In my feed 17min ago it was announced the security chief was killed by an Israeli airstrike. Lemmy moves fast!
It’ll be an oil refinery if they’re smart and the power grid if they aren’t. Telegraph everything
You’re talking about America, the biggest terrorist/genocide state on earth. I don’t think they give a crap which flimsy excuse they need to use to cause terror on nations across the planet. They love war and terror, all to a degree
You’re talking about America, the biggest terrorist/genocide state on earth.
Second biggest, israel takes the top place.
