This is one of the most effective propaganda lines to keep idiots voting for less taxes for the rich and corporations.
You didn’t stop paying taxes, you started getting services and representation in your legislature in exchange for paying taxes.
Ironically, you guys pay taxes to Israel in exchange for nothing now.
you guys pay taxes to Israel in exchange for nothing now.
Nonsense, we get free trips to the desert (god’s idea of a chosen land) to go lick rocks!
Lemmy is starting to really tire me out with constant negativity. The niche comms I sub to are mostly quiet, and the big ones it seems like everyone is at each other’s throats.
This was a joke, in shitposts. I thought it was worth a chuckle, but not really worth dissection and all the negative energy.
then don’t be part of the community? you’re not being held back.
Thanks for providing evidence to my point, I guess…
How is me giving you advice on leaving the community because you don’t like what people post evidence to what you said?
Because saying “get out” to someone commenting that they think the vibes are harsh is pretty negative.
I am not directing you to get out but that’s what I generally did if I didn’t like what the community was about, I ain’t wasting energy complaining about it.
Edit: Apologies if I am being blunt about it, I feel like the rise in negative posts could be correlating to the current political environment of our glorious circus of a country, people are unhappy, so they post unhappy things.
kinda like how during ussr there were a lot of really sad songs that were released, it’s people were just generally depressed.
Or you could just make an effort to be more kind instead of telling people who are having a hard time to get lost…
You exemplified the attitude I was talking about in a single sentence.
no what? your main point was about community level user posts containing “constant negativity”, not me being an ass in the comment section. I am just some random moron on the internet that decided to leave my own two cents about what you stated originally.
I don’t have any obligation to show kindness to random people nor do I expect any back on the internet.
I never told you to get lost, you can stay here for all I care, stop trying to twist this into you being a victim.
You americans can always crawl back to the king of england and ask for forgiveness
Ugh. How does MA have to keep reminding this part of history?
No taxation WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. Having a voice was the important part. But asking people to parse a conditional is too much.
“If you breathe mercury, jump off a bridge.”
“You’re telling me to jump off a bridge!???”Then don’t get the fireworks? I’m a huge advocate to just ban the entire thing worldwide anyways. Let the cities organize big shows but no private sales, it’s massively wasteful for both your pockets and the environment.
When we quit paying taxes… to England.
It’s a half thought, but anything sounds deep to a giant idiot.
Oh get over yourself. Most of us who did 6-7th grade history understand that the “no taxes” period of the Rev War was about everyone understanding if they cut off england they could take this massive new country for themselves. It wasn’t but a few years before Hamilton and the rest had do the treasury and more.
It isn’t that it is “deep”, it is that is a silly little jab at history.
Taxes pay for community benefits and projects like roads and police and fire services and public education and (ideally) healthcare. Those paying taxes should have representatives to help ensure their constituents are benefiting from the taxes they’re providing.
The American colonies were being taxed without representation and therefore meaningful benefits from the taxes they were paying. The British government was present in the colonies, but they were there for the purpose of trade and tax collection to benefit of the Crown and those in England.
Ditto
It’s not silly. It’s ignorant and dangerous.
America is very broken, but the concept of taxes is how we have roads, bridges, first responders, teachers and a number of any decent society’s basic needs that the free market didn’t give a FUCK about.
Too many ignorant folks who don’t understand a progressive tax system, focus on the wrong “enemy” (the minimum wage either versus the trillionaire) and completely buy into the rhetoric you defend here that perpetuates that. And end up voting for people that take everything, build nothing and create the hell these purple irrationally feared in the first place.
And you expect that general public to have internalized nuanced revolutionary war history to the point that they naturally draw any of that from your king of the hill meme?
You are extrapolating a lot from what I said. It’s a silly for fun meme, and not mine.
Based and lib pilled
Wait, what idiot thinks that the 4th of July is a celebration of not paying taxes?
Are people under the impression that the US revolution and independence was specifically about not paying taxes? That’s some libertarian shit right there.
It’s the narrative pushed In alot of schools in the USA
I distinctly remember writing some report about taxation without representation, thinking it was some super important American principle. I was real confused when I learned about Puerto Rico
It’s on DC license plates
Wait, why?! DC doesn’t get proper representation. Or are you joking?
In any case, to say the people of the 50 states are adequately represented is foolish.
DC isn’t a state or in one. The original idea was that it wouldn’t be a meaningful permanent residence, but as the federal government grew it became a real major city with a lot of permanent residents.
They have 1 non voting representative, no presence in the senate, and starting in 1961 they’ve had 3 electoral votes for president.
Oh also in 1973 they were granted the right to elect a mayor and city council rather than being directly governed by the federal government. The federal government still has the constitutional power to overrule them and has done so several times.
DC wants statehood, and I generally support it (alongside Puerto Rican statehood), but for DC even just giving them a single senator, true home rule off federal land, voting representatives proportional to population, and the ability to gain electoral votes as population grows would be huge.
DC, Puerto Rico, Samoa, Virgin Islands and Mariana Islands all pay taxes and have zero representation in congress.
Different rules for brown people.
Language is fluid (fortunately|unfortunately)
That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t fight to keep it mutually intelligible for all speakers/writers.
What if I did a’lot is that better
A lot worse.
No one ever accused Americans of being smart.
Listen pal, I wish you were in front of me. Me and my two buddies would take you on, 5 to 1.
Colonists were even paying tax at a 90% discounted rate compared to those in Britain.
The U.S. literally started charging insane taxes right as the country began. They even teach Shays Rebellion in school.
If they taught Shays Rebellion in your middle/high school, you went to a much better school than I
The whole story only makes sense through the propaganda lens, brave freedom fighters against an oppressive government taxing them for no reason.
Then you read the actual context and it’s a bunch of new aristocracy high on slave money mad that the empire refuses to let them expand past the boarders established in a war that benefited them and they are now having to pay taxes for.
You know what’s also not cool. Making using fireworks illegal because it might cause a fire but don’t ban the selling of fireworks.
Fireworks enthusiasts should take their fireworks to a fireworks range when they want to use them and keep them locked in a fireworks case when not in use.
The greatest punishment from God is that the pretty fireworks that aren’t loud and annoying are also the ones most likely to cause fires
We didn’t quit paying taxes. We just quit paying unfair taxes to the Crown.
A reminder that the taxes in question were levied to recoup the costs of French and Indian War, which the colonists started.
And, which was largely fought (and won) in a way that dramatically benefitted the colonists.
Ever wonder why there are so many places with French names just slightly inland from the original 13 US colonies have French names?
- Bayou La Batre, Decatur, Lapine, Leroi, Mon Louis, Dauphin Island, etc. Alabama
- Louisville, Paris, Versailles, Montpelier, etc. in Kentucky
- Leroy, Napoleon, Montpelier, Saint Croix, etc. in Indiana
- Bellaire, Bellefontaine, Louisville, Marietta, etc. in Ohio
- Dubois, Duquesne, Labelle, Fort le Boeuf, Eau Claire, etc. in Pennsylvania
- The name “Michigan” itself (originally Ojibwe, but interpreted into French), and a whole lot of parts of that state, including Detroit
- Ozark (aux arcs), Benoit, Bellefontaine, D’Iberville etc. in Mississippi
New France went from the Gulf of Mexico north, included all the Great Lakes, and kept going up to Hudson’s Bay. American settlers couldn’t go west without entering New France, so England fought a war to allow the expansion west. It won that war. The resulting treaty gave the British colonists in the Americas a huge amount of territory they could expand into, leaving only a small amount behind for France and its native allies.
The British colonists in the Americas were asked to help pay for the war that gave them that opportunity to expand west, and they rebelled. And then, after the rebellion, they decided they didn’t need to abide by the terms of the British treaty with the French and took over most of the remaining land that France had been left after that war.
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Didn’t the boston tea party start because they lowered the price of legally imported (and thus taxed) tea, undermining smugglers?
Yes, but it was also a grudge match between rivals. In one connected incident a locally-owned ship was burnt to the waterline to take out a competitor.
The tea party was hugely damaging to the rebel cause, and leadership was furious. Just the sort of lawlessness the rebels were accused of standing for. It’s only several decades later that it was recast as an act of rebellion against the crown.
Most of the US founding fathers were smugglers.
Sell drugs, run guns, nail sluts, and fuck the law
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unfairtaxes to the crown“No taxation without representation”. If the colonies got representatives in Parliament, that flag would look mighty different.
Except that the British were offering that concession, and the negotiators for the colonists didn’t want to take it because really the taxes and lack of representation were just an excuse.
The British were also being ruled by someone with a genetic blood disease that makes you irrational and some form of major personality disorder, not exactly the most trustworthy negotiators.
How directly was he involved in the negotiations? Often the king is the ultimate authority in a country, but they don’t actually make many decisions themselves.
It’s well known that the colonists were looking for a reason to break away, and that the taxation issue was a convenient excuse. After all, taxation without representation was the norm. It wasn’t like all of England had the vote and had representatives in parliament. Entire cities had zero representation but were still taxed. Ireland had been part of the British empire for ages and it didn’t have representation.
Well, having a verifiably insane monarch sure couldn’t have helped.
It’s obviously foolish for anyone to try and argue exactly what happened when for which reasons, we weren’t in those rooms having those conversations so we’ll never really know. We do know that the colonists hated what they considered overreaching British control (it was kind of the reason they left in the first place), and we know that the British were broke af and desparate to wring every penny they could out of the colonies to pay for wars on the other side of the ocean (sounds familiar). But you bring up a good point in Ireland, they were famously treated so well by the British and therefore were predictably loyal and peaceful subjects of the Crown 🤣🤣🤣
We do know that the colonists hated what they considered overreaching British control
Do we? Or is that the story that has been written after the fact to justify what they did and make it seem more noble?
It sounds to me like you’re a product of the US educational system and have accepted what you learned there without questioning it.
Kids get taxed whenever they buy anything so where’s their vote
DC has entered the chat…
Kinda cool of them to travel 14 years back in time before they were even founded
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We just like how the “un fair taxes” they teach is actually way lower than the taxes US citizens have now adays.
It was also 1/10th what the British citizens were paying at the time.
It really depends on what you’re getting in return. If your taxes paid for your healthcare and education, things would be different
Best they can offer is bombs for isreal
Neither did… well the K-12 education was paid, but it wasn’t the best of qualities. Having to relearn a lot of history and economics in EU now lol.
Also off topic; was gonna say US had a specific year for when education was free but checking the history, it was really spotty when implemented and heavily disorganized. Aaaand wow found out California broke a treaty against Mexico in 1998 with Proposition 227, where it’s illegal for teachers to speak Spanish (ir any other bilingual language) in public schools. It was heavily lobbied by Californian multimillionaire Ron Unz. We don’t know if that still holds up, cuz what if the kids only speak Spanish?? Or its Spanish class??? Or the teacher is Spanish themself and are trying to find the right words to something and are like ¿cómo se llama esto? faaaahhhh”???
Anyways USA only has the education part and it’s spotty af lol
The checks were unfair because they went to the crown rather than back to the American people who are paying them in the first place
And paid for wars that were fought for the benefit of the colonists. Similar to how US taxes today are paid to the state and are used to pay for wars that the government claims are for the benefit of the American people.
So what is different now?
Is Israel, Trump’s ministers’ pockets, insurance company executives, and the military industrial complex executives considered “the american people”?
Normal the difference is the larger pool of people, and this more money for non citizen things.
Right now… who the fuck knows
True and real
Jokes on you.
Is this just for the memes? Or do people actually not like fireworks?
They’re boring, loud, and pointless.
I don’t mind going to an actual coordinated show at a local beach, but every individual douchebag just shooting them off in their backyard for funsies is a fucking loser.
I can only speak for myself, but I do think fireworks should be much more regulated. Each year 10,000 people get hurt from fireworks in the US alone, and it’s pretty horrible for the environment. I do appreciate the cultural importance, so I don’t think completely banning them is the solution, but I think it would be much better if there were just a few organized firework shows, and no more fireworks for private use.
That makes a ton of sense. I’m in Canada, where they are regulated. You really only ever see fireworks at organized events put on by towns/cities, and they are always awesome. One of my favourite things to watch as a kid.
I only know about Canadian fireworks regulations because of Letterkenny. But it definitely seems like there’s a lot more sensibility around their handling there, which I appreciate as an American who has to deal with inbred assholes celebrating their nation by blowing up a small part of it.
I didn’t know there are places with regulations like that, that’s cool :)
If you’ve seen one, you’ve seen them all.
Unless someone can invent the real equivalent of the fireworks Gandalf usef in the LoTR movie, I’m not interested.
Can I counter your first point with this?! (sorry about the music)
https://youtube.com/shorts/uoMMJLBVFec?is=KidgxXrW1DP_R5qD
And this:
https://youtube.com/shorts/EzaQNGwnOIQ
‘Sky Puke’ shows are common I get it but there is genuine artistry out there.
If you have a dog or a cat, it shouldn’t be too hard to figure out why some people don’t like fireworks
My cats don’t care at all. Fireworks are fun, and if dogs can’t handle that then they’re stupid. I set off a bunch of the big ones that are illegal but can be sold on reservations (I think? I didn’t buy them) for my birthday out in the rural flat middle of nowhere and it was so cool. We had the hardest time lighting them because of the wind and then when we finally got it going we had to sprint away so fast, and we were laughing our asses off. Good mems. TL;DR fuck yo sensitive dumbass dogs
Do you have any idea how many homeless (and some with homes too) animals die from heart attacks caused by fireworks?
Or how many people with ptsd, anxiety, or other issues need to cover their windows and ears, just to not have a panic attack?
All just so a bunch of retards can laugh about their great country.
Same for all other countries on new year’s eve. Except the ones that banned fireworks.
I can excuse people having intellectual disabilities and not realizing this. But anyone who does and still chooses to play with fireworks belongs in a re-education camp.
Ive never heard of homeless or animals dying from fireworks. I’ve heard of animals getting frightened by loud noises like fireworks or thunder.
All firework shows I’ve seen or heard of are planned, last like 10-15 minutes, and happen a handful of times per year. I’m sorry if it’s hard for you to get through some fireworks, but a lot of people really enjoy watching them.
What do fireworks have to do with a single country? I realize you are talking about July 4, but I’m talking about fireworks in general. This has nothing to do with America.
Oh I see, you just want to call anyone who doesn’t agree with you a retard. Classy.
I have pets and any firework related holiday I have to hole up with them all night to comfort them. And that’s just on the days I know they will have them, basically all of autumn and winter have dickgeads randomly setting off fireworks for god knows what reason. It’s hell
I want to see some fireworks special interest group successfully lobby to have taxes dropped on fireworks in June.
I see taxes as a good solidary thing but we need far stronger regulations or personal interest direction where the tax should go
I would rather my tax dollars don’t go to government investments of ripping Pokémon boosters and magic cards. The military would also balloon more than it already has.
No we shouldn’t. Imagine where the taxes would go, and then understand where people would make sure they didn’t go. A shitload of people are racist, self serving, and shortsighted.
Suddenly 1/3 of the entire country’s budget goes to the military lmao
