Though the jury’s still out on the most effective solution, one thing is clear: harsher prison sentences for drunk drivers don’t translate to fewer DUI offenders on the road.
Alcoholism is a disease. Driving is a privilege
Fuck no. This article’s alternatives suggest the police violate everyone’s rights just because some asshole murdering addicts drive drunk.
if transit didn’t just fucking stop before bars close that’s probably help.
as much as I love Seattle’s light rail (best transit project in the country!) it sucks to have to, for example, leave furry night at CCs early if I want to catch the light rail back home
Revoke their license for six months the first time, then indefinitely the second time.
But how can they drive from behind bars? Also, why let them get a driving license ever again?
DING DING DING. WINNER WINNER WINNER.
Yea driving is a privilege, we stopped treating it as such. We treat it like its a divine right. There are a whole lot of people that dont need a drivers license. Multiple DUIs, reckless driving, multiple accidents i mean we could really just start yoinking them for anything. We use to be pretty strict about pulling it after multiple speeding tickets.
Yeah, well, they get released after a few months. And then they buy or get a car and drive without a license… And in some places lacking good mass transit, driving without a license actually makes logistical sense (although is simultaneously terrible idea because when you get caught you’re fucked).
Is jail a deterrent or a punishment?
I firmly believe the justice system should be about rehabilitation, but clearly it is actually about punishment.
Most laws are for people without enough money. This one’s not though.
And money.
its a deterrent AND a punishment in its current form sadly.
And mny people use its status as both to justify its most draconian methods. They say that since prisons keep dangerous people like jeffrey dahmer away from the innocent public this justifies ALL the harsh things we do to ALL criminals. Even the non-violent criminals who were abused as children.
prison time should clearly be about rehabilitation, AND deterrence through protecting the public from unfixable phychopaths but we can clearly see how it isnt about these factors today seeing as how most of the people from the Epstein Files are out and about, most pedophiles grt a slap-on-the-wrist jail sentences, nost of the peoplw who have partaken in thr Palestinian and Sudanese Genocide will probably not be jailed , and most prisons resort to draconian means that if you asked a psychologist about them theyd say these would not rehabilitate a person at all.
Seems competent public transport and walkable areas would help by enabling people with options to not have you drive home from the bar.
What I don’t understand is why bars can even have parking lots, it’s like the expectation is to drive there, drink and then drive home.
Designated drivers, employee parking, and for people that just want food. On top of that, at least as things stand, parking minimums mean they literally aren’t allowed to go without parking.
Seems also that better zoning laws and less car-centric sprawl would make the bar, on average, closer to home. (Not my insight; aped from NotJustBikes’ video on third places.)
Tax alcohol sales and earmark it for public transportation. Use late night busses, espically on non 24 hour Rail metro routes
Further, don’t punish people that drove in and made the smart choice to leave their vehicle over night. Not sure how to properly police that, but rarely is parking free, so maybe just make it a 24 hr thing rather than some hourly shit that costs money up front and a ticket on the back.
They shouldn’t tow cars from bars for 48 hours so you can go back and get it. Or you tell the bar you’re gonna come back for it and they make a note then trig legally can’t tow it or they become liable for drunk driving
Jair isn’t the best deterrent for any offense.
It’s not supposed to be a deterrent. It’s supposed to be a place for rehabilitation.
You’re not supposed to be able to leave prison until after you’ve received sufficient hours with a therapist to make you fully understand the harm you’ve caused others, empathize with the victims, and decided to correct your ways
Yeah that’s often not what prison is though. We can’t even care enough to invest in each other, nevermind investing in convicts.
I know, let’s take their drivers license. That’ll get them …… driving with no insurance and more likely to run rather than stop
almost as smart as letting them continue to drive after demonstrating the poor impulse control that got them in trouble in the first place.
roadside executions? lop off a finger every time they’re caught? a whole bunch of bad ideas, but letting them continue to terrorize the world doesn’t seem like a smart tract…
maybe better public transportation and give em a bus pass
I’d endorse this route.
I would have more faith in this if it wasn’t on a drug rehabilitation center’s website and if it referenced more than one study that’s now old enough itself to drink.
The drug rehabilitation center that got bought by the PE company, that sells the devices and services to law enforcement probably. Those little blow devices are big business! We get the same amount of drunk drivers, the state gets an extra revenue line, and a few companies get incredibly rich. Yay crony capitalism and regulatory capture.
Maybe after a certain number of convictions you’re henceforth required to drive the Nerf Car. It’s a modified golf cart wrapped in arrays of bumpers and padding on all sides. Painted in bright primary colors. It can’t go more than 8 mph and is literally incapable of damaging anything.
As long as whenever they complain about the vehicle they are told very firmly that it’s nerf or nothing
Much respect for thinking outside of the box. How do i elect you to politics.
I actually like this. Its like how we castrate pdedophiles after enough convictions.
If you keep on showing that cant use a privelege that youve been given to do good? Then why should you get to be given that privilege to do anything at all?
Edit: You can type ‘PEDOPHILES’ here.
Pedophiles. You can just say pedophiles.
Oh I thought that our comments here get ‘disappeared’ when you type out too much truth in them.
What did those portable document format files do to you?
Auction off their cars.
That doesn’t surprise me, I got a second after spending 7 days in jail for the first.
OK. So what did you change and what solutions would you offer politicians wanting to address this problem without getting kickbacks from the prison industry?
I’m not really sure, I got married and had a family so I stopped putting myself in those situations.
Mandatory marriage would probably be counterproductive in this case.
True
I wonder if this issue will fix itself with young people tending not to drink, get their license later in life, and a semi-online social life.
Too broke to get drunk on $7 beers, too broke to buy a car, too broke to pay for gas… yeah, that definitely takes care of drunk driving.
The state of society is more than one person can deal with
But the sad truth is that when some of those people become rich enough , maybe they win the lottery or land a job that has its pay stupidly inflated, theyll just drunk drive then.
We have to take out this issue from the root of the plant not from buds.
Why do people resort to drunk driving? I can think of 3 causes 1. not enough cheap public transport options when theyre drunk, 2. psychological problems or even self hate (there have been cases where a drunk driver admitted that they were trying to kill themselves when they drive into other people or into obstacles) 3. theyre in a hurry and have to get somewhere EVEN IF theyre drunk.
- can be solved with getting rid of all car centric infrastructure in our transportation, building more and easily accessible oublic transport and getting rid of car companies, plastic companies, and oil companies lobbying in politics , 2. can be solved with universal mental health care and making it easier to give aspiring psychologists the education they need to be trained as psychologists (so universal education too) and 3 can be solved by making it so that less people have to hurry to less things…so less hours worked, more forgiving appointment times, and rescheduling, daycares and schools trained and equipped take care of children for longer while their parents are sobering up
EVERY.SINGLE solution I just proposed is impossible in our current capitalistic society because billionaires ensure thst they cannot exist…so ’ get rid’😘 of the capitalists and then BOOM solutions start to be worked on by the people.
Death Note as political philosophy…
I’m not really for registries, but if someone gets a DUI, link that to their ID and then restrict alcohol sales when they have to show their ID at purchase. It won’t stop everyone, but it could stop some. Maybe restrict all sales for some amount of time, like a year, then put a large penalty tax on alcohol sales for another period of time that funds public transportation, rehab, or other services that can further aid in the reduction of impaired driving. I don’t get ID’d super often anymore since I clearly appear to be old enough, but many places already scan my ID when they check, so something could be implemented that requires all sales to require a scan or typing in an ID number, no exceptions.
Some states in the U.S. do have a specific “restricted” driving license for people convicted of DUI that’s clearly marked and sometimes with big red graphics on it.
Edit: Pennsylvania’s, for example:
Unpopular opinion…but, I think mandatory interlock devices should be installed in all vehicles, the same way seatbelts are. Get behind the wheel, and you can’t even start the car unless you blow under the legal limit. Period.
The problem with most drunk driving incidents is the person driving is often too impaired to realize they shouldn’t be driving. They aren’t making an informed decision…they’re drunk.
The main issue with this is that the interlock devices fucking suck and break constantly. We just tolerate it because convicted drunk drivers aren’t exactly a politically popular group.
Fuck that shit. I’m sick of this nanny shit and i don’t even drink.
Yep. Screw more spyware in cars.
people arguing against this are honestly fucking insane or just straight up astroturfing
It’s not surveillance, it’s not nanny state holy shit, it’s preventing people from KILLING OTHERS
out of curiosity… why do you think cars are so expensive? are you planning on getting rid of all the older cars? Heres a plan we could only release expensive cars with lots of features and throw away all the old cars, so people are forced to buy the new ones! We could call it regulatory capture in capitalism!
Prison is never the right solution for anything. Abolish prison and police immediately.
Na bro, my neighbor sells meth and drunk drives. I’ve watched him crash 4 cars this year 2 of them in the middle of the day… Some people DO belong in jail. You can rehab this dude or what ever and prove me wrong.
