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6,49$ for 1L of water… That’s the outrageous part.
I haven’t read it (gotta go to bed). But my local gas station is asking for tips. If this is a thing, they can bite my balls. Ffs.
Lol I made a Lemmy comment 3 years ago about that same kiosk after flying threw Newark. I guess Instagram videos have more motion than we do.
I prefer to hear it straight from jballs mouth.
Appreciate ya
Could guess which country without even clicking the link
Obviously Canada. Fucking dicks. /s
blame Canada
Lol. This culture is crashing out so hard.
Our entire nation is basically like the videos of people we see crashing out in fast food restaurants.
Just pathetic.
Tipping culture is an oxymoron
I stopped tipping except at sit down restaurants and bars. They’re the only ones being paid a lower salary because tips are expected. Oh and delivery drivers, too.
This has always been my policy.
I don’t tip for carry out. Tips are for good service. Meaning I tip after service is rendered.
I’ll throw a couple of bucks at the people making my food, but I’ve worked that thankless job.
I mostly tip well at places I’m planning coming back to lol. Or go to regularly. Gotta get those benefits of being a “regular”
Yeah, I’m very limited about where I tip and I feel zero shame about that. I’m not here to pay other people’s salaries. I gotta save up for when I’m elderly and our nation is even more fucked up than it already is.
This might be a hot take but I don’t even tip at sit down restaurants because it’s not even that hard of a job. If farmers don’t get tipped then why should servers?
The reason I tip at sit down places or delivery isn’t because the work the server is doing is so difficult. Its because they’re allowed to legally be paid next to nothing due to the expectation of tips. I have close friends who work in that industry who wouldn’t get by if not for tips. We should abolish the idea of tipping as an excuse to lower wages, its ridiculous.
The real question is why restaurants in America are allowed to even do that… Pay them like everybody else and do away with tips. No other business is allowed to subsidize wages like that.
If you ever wonder why something is stupid in the united states, 99% of the time the answer is anti-black racism.
In this case, it is part of the 99%
Is the other 1% misogyny?
Oh no, just general classism. While the US has its share of misogyny, of course, rape culture being the forefront, it’s actually not that bad compared to the average first-world country in that regard, and almost all misogynistic views in the united states are exclusively in service to capital owners control over society. This includes abortion, the wage gap, and the entirety of the beauty industry.
Pink capitalism is a huge part of American society, and is the only reason women have any rights, given it is slightly more profitable on average to let women earn their own money to spend on capitalism, instead of solely acting as support and production of human capital.
In Canada, the minimum wage for servers, bus boys, bar people, is all below the regular minimum wage because it takes into account the fact they make tips and it’s expected. That’s why I tip those people. Because it’s literally part of their salary.
They are guaranteed minimum wage if they don’t make that with tips. They aren’t salaried as per regular employees, you’re choosing to subsidize. It is a social norm, but lets call it what it is.
This kinda shit only works because there are enough dumb people who do it. Same with how streaming providers can get away with enshittifying their services and rasing their prices. Or why lootboxes in video games are so prevalent. And many other things in life. A big chunk of people are akin to mindless NPCs that just do whatever their programmers (=billionaires) tell them to. NOT consuming is simply not an option to them. Like cancelling their streaming subscription because it got enshittified the the tenth time this year. No they just keep going. It always takes two to tango.
The human mind is predisposed to convenience and habit. The capitalist economy exploits this to no end. The owning-class does everything in their power to ensure that no alternatives exist without requiring massive hoops to jump through first before they can be accessible, making their option the fastest and most convenient option, even if it isn’t the most efficient or effective option.
Most people would rather sit and suffer because it is “easier” than take the risks or put in the effort involved to do better.
oh yea the streaming is funny because i see people in th subs, coping why they need all these streaming subscriptions, and complain about the price. if you are spending 100$+ on all these services, they kind deserve it.
Kidding aside, if you’re using these kiosks at a restaurant, cafe, or whatever, pay attention to the confirmation screen and make sure that you weren’t upcharged for deciding not to tip. There’s been social media content about prices being changed automatically in cart when you forego the tip screen.
There should be an alert when this happens but I’m sure we all know that won’t necessarily be the case, as these people lack scruples.
Another note regarding these kiosks. The establishments who use them do get reporting around people who proceed to the checkout screen and then abandon the transaction, so if you hate them and have 30 seconds for soft sabotage, it’s not the worst idea to initiate and abandon a transaction for the greater good.
I mean, there was 1 incident of this happening (Shake Shack) that went viral, it was deemed to be a glitch, probably didn’t have anything to do with not tipping, and it absolutely did show an alert when it happened.
Deemed to be a glitch only AFTER it became publicly known.
And a good reminder to check before confirming when using these automated systems that kinda sorta suck ass.
Everyone should always double check the total before paying for anything. That said, the Shake Shack case does seem like an influencer was deliberately making misleading rage bait content.
I guess Shake Shack has an up-charge on late night orders (which, seems like a lame policy but maybe, hopefully it at least goes towards better wages for the late shift workers). The person in the video timed it to start before the late night surcharge time but then finish after that time so it looked like it was a charge for not tipping when all transactions starting before 11pm and finishing after 11pm get the same sudden up-charge.
Basing the charge off of when the transaction ends seems like terrible UX, so I’m not team Shake Shack (also, is it just me or is their food wildly overrated?). Like if I was getting an egg mcmuffin at 10:59 and took too long to dig out my credit card and at 11am it said “no eggmcmuffin, lunch only!” I think I would have a melt down. Not that I really ever eat at SS or McD
Deemed to be a glitch AFTER it became publicly known.
Yeah, that’s sorta how time works…
Just saying, you made it out like this has happened multiple times without any warning to the user that the price was changing – which just isn’t true.
Generally speaking, yes, it’s a good idea to make sure that the price you’re paying matches the price you’re expecting to pay. No weird conspiracy theories required for that advice.
LOL
All righty. Good talk.
Nothing more fun than people who argue for the enjoyment of hearing their own voice. Have a great day. :)
you do realize you’re talking about yourself right?
Now now, people who spread weird conspiracies for no apparent reason are pretty fun too. Don’t sell yourself short!
Outrageous! You already gotta tip your TSA agent after they grope you at the checkpoint… what’s next?
I’m so tired of giving them all of my money they honestly don’t even grope that well so I only tip like 5%
they should be paying me for the privilege.
I give them a little something extra. I understand that groping my genitals requires a pretty exhaustive search.
You just put in the tip
That’s why they use the body scanners. To find the best tip.
Depends on how well they can dirty talk, but they’re not getting more than 15%.
Who am I tipping?!
The hardworking CEO struggling to pay his way into heaven
The corporation.
You did all the work, you deserve it.
Despite people feeling disgruntled over tipping culture, 59 percent of consumers in Popmenu’s study said they feel compelled to leave a tip when a digital screen asks for one. But this number is down from 66 percent in September 2025.
Resist!
There is a Mexican restaurant near me that I frequent. The servers there go out of their way to hit “no tip” for you before they even turn the screen. I appreciate that, and order from them more often than i really should because of it.
they probably want returning customers, that are happy. overpaying with tips makes an unhappy customer.
Where I live people go out if their way to make it obvious they’re not checking if you’re tipping
there’s one place (no table service. just counter and takeaway) here that will flip the payment terminal around and tap ‘no tip’ for you (“we don’t see any of that”)
I know someone who worked for a major POS provider and they usually ship the terminals with tipping on by default. It’s up to the retailers to charge that once they receive the units.
Hell, it’s probably part of their advertising/sales pitch. i know someone working in a big chain restaurant, and management will make the most ridiculous changes. As always in the US, stupid changes are always because of money.
I’m sure they are falling over backwards to do it.
I’ve accidently cancelled transactions trying to zero tip at take out pizza places and the like.
The worst is how they put math on you also. They’ve you to choose 3 percentage options, or other as a dollar value. Fuck off with that shit and let me manually choose 15%.
The other thing is when they ask for a tip before the service has been delivered lol
the most insulting is tips for services they arnt even bringing it to you like, airport kiosks or buying something in a self checkout.
Always feels like a threat, tip or we will fuck your stuff up
They also put the 15% after tax.
It used to be for exceptional service only.
I believe it was 10% in the 1960s
Oh I never caught that. Such BS
even into the 80s, at least, it was that… just move the decimal left one place for ten percent.
Lol I read that as, “a major piece of shit provider…”
Well you’re not wrong
Major Piece Of Shit?!
probably POINT OF SERVICE provider. usually things like companies making cashiers or self-checkout type machines, or any software that makes similar things.
Ha! I always suspected this. Putting the onus on the consumer to tip. Such bullshit straight from the top. Tipping culture is so bad.
Then you get the places that aren’t McDonalds and you have to walk up to order and get your food and ask for a tip. I don’t tip there either.
3 things that are bullshit about the prevalence of these tip requests.
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Tips are for service above and beyond the bare minimum. Taking my money in exchange for a good that I picked out and brought to the register is not a tippable service. Cooking my food at a restaurant is not a tippable service, it is literally the definition of the bare minimum. You should not be asking for a tip. And it is insulting that you do.
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It is often entirely unclear who would even receive these phantom tips were I do give one. Who gets it? The cashier? The cook? The one stocking the shelves? Everyone split evenly? The owner? Why would I give a tip generally to the business? If it isn’t directly tied to a person who provided the service, what is the tip even for?
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Since when is the MINIMUM expected tip 18 fucking percent? I have worked as a server (20 years ago). I was expected to report a 10% minimum of my sales in tips. 15% has ALWAYS been the standard expectation for service. Now the card readers are expecting 18-25% even as prices have shot up. What the fuck is with that?!
Do you know where the tipping system originated? You’re right, fucking racist did it to pay ex slaves, and the slaves were not “legally” (read as racists didn’t want to) hire them, because of course they didn’t. Tipping was the beggar system that the racists created too make sure you know if you get uppity and your megar income is gone…
- Since when is the MINIMUM expected tip 18 fucking percent? I have worked as a server (20 years ago). I was expected to report a 10% minimum of my sales in tips. 15% has ALWAYS been the standard expectation for service. Now the card readers are expecting 18-25% even as prices have shot up. What the fuck is with that?!
I remember hearing in my childhood that 15% was the standard, but by the time I was a teen (around 20 years ago now) and was actually paying for some things myself, I feel like 20% had pretty much become the standard around me.
Also, around 15ish years ago I was a pizza guy in the days before Uber eats and such really took off. I feel like tipping was pretty wonky for delivery people back then. It seemed like I often got a bit over tipped on small orders, and under tipped on bigger orders.
I feel like a lot of smaller, $20ish dollar orders would give me about a $5 tip (so about 25%) and then bigger $100+ orders would give me like $10 (so like 10% )
15 was almost always gratuity at some restaurants.
Tipping requests have gotten out of control, but the percent has gone up because inflation happened. Costs have risen in the last 20 years and not at the same rate across the board. The increase in base prices for restaurant food has not changed fast enough for 10% of it to still be a livable wage. I don’t love it either, but if I can’t afford 20% at a place then I don’t go there.
We should do away with tipped wage, and we should increase the minimum wage, but being shocked that wages have changed over 20 years is not a tipping issue.
Tipping requests have gotten out of control, but the percent has gone up because inflation happened.
That makes no sense. Inflation also increases the price of the goods and services. Tipping the same percentage means it scales with that inflation 1:1. The only way that would make sense is if, say, food had been somewhat resistant to inflationary pressures, but the restaurant owner wanted to make sure that their personnel were getting paid more to cover other costs of living that were affected more by inflation. But that is not the case. This new standard is across the board on every card reader for every business type I have seen. Restaurant, gas stations, mechanics, electronics, etc. That isn’t how this works.
I addressed that already:
not at the same rate across the board. The increase in base prices for restaurant food has not changed fast enough for 10% of it to still be a livable wage.
Cursury searches result in the following: The rate of inflation for housing (6-7% yoy) and education (4-7% yoy depending on institution type) have increased dramatically in comparison to food (3% yoy) over the past 10 years.
It seems like restaurant inflation has been about double food inflation (though a lot of that is weighted towards the low and high end restaurants with McDs having increased more than most middle class restaurants for example), so that would still lag behind housing which makes up increasingly large portions of middle-low earner income. I am surprised that it’s so close honestly, but overall expenses have risen more than just inflation would lead you to believe. Admittedly the data was harder to find going back 20 years, so i took the easy route and went with 10. It’s very possible that the data 20-10 years ago really skews things one way or another. I stand by the initial statement that inflation was not consistent and that means that the % should change, but would probably need more time to sit down with the numbers to definitively say what exactly % makes most sense.
I again agree that the propagation of tipping on POS is a plague, but that’s a separate issue to the acceptable tipping percent.
I’d love to see the stats on that. Restaurant food seemed to shoot up among the fastest. I don’t think the CPI is tgat granular.
I did some extremely cursury searching and back of the napkin math. The short of it is that restaurant food outpaced inflation, but not all sectors. Doubling to 20% from 10% over 20 years may indeed be overdoing it, but I believe 10% would not be sufficient. The biggest contributor is probably housing in my opinion, but again I didn’t actually do too much digging. Clicked around and annualized averages from sources, but it wasn’t rigorous. If someone wants to actually do the math I’d be really keen to see it.
If I had to take a stab in the dark 15% would probably be a good minimum. If I say $20 is the minimum I find acceptable to be a part of and 2.13 is their minimum wage then they need to be making 17.87 an hour from just tips. If we make some assumptions of an 8 hr shift and 15 tables a shift (not how it works but I needed to make some assumptions), that’s $9.5+ a table needed. That would be fine for an average of 15%+ tip for an average of $60 a table, where realistically it’s probably going to be more per table on average. Someone can sanity check because that was a bit to keep in my head.
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Steak n shake.
You now order from a kiosk. You take the cup and get your own drink. You get the napkins and cutlery. When your order is ready you pick it up. When you’re done you bus your own table.
Fuck tipping them
The worse is H@m or Ikea asking to give money for charity (then use those amounts to ask government tax cuts).
It’s a common misconception but it is in fact illegal to claim other’s donations as donations by the corporation, and it’s not too likely that very large organisations would do that. Of course, it’s possible they’re breaking the law. It is also irritating. Why doesn’t the multibillion company just make the donation instead of harassing me.
https://taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/who-gets-tax-benefit-those-checkout-donations-0
The store serves only as a collection agent for your gift. Assuming the business is following the law, it will not include your donation as part of its business receipts, or income, nor will it claim the charitable gift as an expense. In other words, your gift has zero impact on the store’s income taxes.
Wait.
My donation it’s not an income, it’s just a donation. So it has its own “reference”.
When the company will declare how much donation has done in the year my money will be added to that count there. In Sweden gov gives a tax break of about 30% of the donation’s total amount and I guess my money will be counted there.
I don’t see any other reasonable reason to mob your own customer at any purchase.
It’s a way for them to appear charitable without having to fork over the money.
Also they get to choose which charity gets the money, so that can be a way for upper management to trade favors with other people in upper management on the charity or its board or, even worse, to actually put money on specific people’s hands - I keenly remember when it came out that the way the IKEA owner evaded taxes in Switzerland was a convoluted ownership structure that ended up paying dividends to a registered charity in Luxembourg whose stated purposed was “The advance of interior decoration arts” and which paid for all the expenses of said IKEA owner.
Point is, there are a lot of fishing yet entirely legal things that can be done with the customer’s charitable donations when a company controls which charities get it, especially since the criteria for something to be a registered Charity in certain legal jurisdictions (most notably Luxembourg and pretty much all British Crown Territories) are incredibly weak.
If you want to give money to Charity, chose yourself which and do it after at least some due diligence to filter out the ones which aren’t actually using most of the money on their stated charitable objectives.
If you go door-knocking asking for donation to help the needy, you are not permitted to claim the cash as your donation. If you collect 1000 kr from your neighborhood and add 100 to it from yourself, you can claim 100 kr. Not the 1100 kr. It is the same with stores.
But Swedish and USA law may differ here.
Hopefully I’m wrong there. Still hard to understand why they want to bake that stuff in every single purchase made by card. People don’t like it. Probably they’re just happy to could show how much “we” donate on their campaign.
Btw, it would be much nicer if they say something like…“we would double any amount you give”. That makes much more sense to me but it’s not what’s happening.
This myth will not die…
A company that collects your donations cannot claim those donations as tax deductible. They are your donations; you can claim them on your taxes.
Even if the company could claim them, it would be income that they would then offset, resulting in a net of zero. There would be no benefit to this.
Companies cannot and do not claim your donations to receive tax benefits. Companies do a lot of shitty things, but soliciting pocket change en masse for charities is actually one of the few good things they do.
They do, however, make sure their company representative is handing over the big check during the press event. “Look how much our company donated back to the community!”
Also they get to chose which Charity gets it, so it can be a trade of favors between their upper management and the upper management or board members of the chosen Charity, favors which in due time will be repaid.
Further, in some Legal Jurisdictions the criteria to be a charity are incredibly low - for example rich Brits often use “charitable foundations” registered in the Channel Islands that pay all their expenses as a way to evade all tax in Britain, whilst at least some years ago the method used by the owner of IKEA to evade taxes in Sweden involved a convoluted ownership structure that ended up paying IKEA’s dividends to a Charity “for the progress of interior decoration” registered in Luxembourg which paid all his expenses.
Or to put it in simpler terms: if company upper management are mainly crooks in the way they choose to treat customers nowadays (a.k.a. enshittification), it makes sense they would also be crooks when it comes to charitable donations paid by customers which go via their companies.
TIL. Is this true everywhere in the world?
I’m speaking primarily for the United States and Canada, where this myth seems to be most prevalent in my experience. I am not confident enough about other places’ laws to speak on them. However, many countries have similar rules regarding tax deductible charitable donations.
And unless taxes work wildly different in other countries, the part about it not being of any benefit is still true. They’d have to not claim it as income, and claim it as a tax deductible donation for there to be any net benefit, and that’s just plain fraud which anyone can do.
The reason is persists is because no one believes that any company would do this without a reason. Altruism just isn’t a realistic motivation for this many publicly traded companies, so what do they get out of it? I don’t believe for a second that they aren’t somehow making money off of this. Otherwise it would’ve died out long ago.
Its marketing. It allows them to generate “goodwill,” which is an intangible asset that companies actually list on their balance sheets.
They get to crow about “donating to charity” while spending $0 dollars, and the only operational cost is an annoying menu prompt and a separate account at the bank for the donations.
I never said they don’t have a reason. Companies get good PR out of it. Which, in itself, can make them money in the long run.
Almost Every major retailer in the US does this.
McDonalds does this too. So infuriating. “Here’s your overpriced shit food we are making a ton of profit on, would you like to donate to charity as well? Think of the poor children! Feel the guilt! Ok thanks, I’ll tax those tax credits from the government in which you also pay. Bye!”
